Do Patriots deserve an asterisk ?

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Every year, the 1972 Miami Dolphins pop champagne when the final undefeated team loses, preserving their 17-0 squad as the last to enjoy a perfect season. It's a rite of autumn in the NFL.

But now, here comes the New England Patriots, and if ever the cork was staying put, this is the threat. They've blown out eight opponents, beat their only perceived equal on the road, and now stare down history in a way perhaps like no one previously.

So leave it to Don Shula to start the tarnishing, start the mud slinging.

The Hall of Fame former Dolphins coach claimed to the New York Daily News that because the Pats were caught filming the New York Jets defensive signals from the sidelines in the season opener ? a violation of league rules ? that a 19-0 season would be marred and that an asterisk could be attached to it.

"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula told the paper. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."


Ah, not really.

Shula certainly has the right to an opinion on the Patriots, but if it isn?t going to be fact-based then it rings hollow and desperate in a way that is far beneath him.

This isn't to defend the Patriots or Bill Belichick for that blatant and calculated bit of cheating. It was an embarrassment for the franchise and its coach.

The NFL was right to fine Belichick $500,000, the team $250,000 and take a first-round draft pick (or a second- and third-round pick were the Patriots to somehow miss the playoffs). It should have gone further and suspended Belichick for the second Jets game this season.

But the facts of the crime are clear ? New England was caught filming Jets coaches during the first half of the first quarter of the first game of the season. The first time the Patriots employee operating the camera tried to head to the locker room, he was stopped by NFL security and forced to hand over the incriminating evidence.

New England's coaches never got to watch the tape. The filming constituted cheating and the intent was obvious. But thanks to what is now a convenient bit of circumstance, to say the Patriots gained an advantage from the film is inaccurate. They couldn't have.

The reality is New England hasn?t gotten anything out of the so-called "Spygate" this season except deserved national scorn.

Shula also raised the issue of alleged past filming, but tape of defensive signals from past seasons would be mostly useless. NFL teams constantly update their movements, even week to week, since it isn't against NFL rules to film the coaches' signals from other areas of the stadium.

New England was trying to get a real-time, in-game advantage. The NFL confiscated previous season tapes and destroyed them without further punishing the Pats.

Shula even accuses NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell of covering up past crimes, which is a strong allegation that the league, naturally, denies.

"I think the commissioner just wanted it to go away," Shula said.

Vast conspiracy theories aside, the debate here is about this season and this season only.

If you want to project back on previous seasons ? where allegations of similar conduct, among other stories, exist ? and even question the legitimacy of New England's three Super Bowls, hey, that's what Belichick has wrought upon the franchise. The Patriots have no moral high ground to stand on.

But for this year, considering the severity of the punishment and the level of outrage, you could even argue that New England is possibly the cleanest team in the league.

However, Shula is arguing forward just in case New England wins its next 10 games, Super Bowl included.

"(The NFL's punishments) tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula told the paper. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record."

Of course there could be some back story at play here beyond Shula's interest in preserving the unique greatness of that Dolphins team.

It starts, naturally, with Belichick. One of the Pats coach's closest friends and chief prot?g?s is Nick Saban, who took over the Dolphins from 2005-06, ran them into the ground, fled in a heap of lies only to replace Shula's own son, Mike, at Alabama.

There is also New England's 21-game win streak over the course of the 2003 and '04 seasons that some Patriots players tried to equate to the Dolphins 17-0 season, which Shula at that point claimed wasn't the same.

Whatever it is, Shula has this one wrong.

While it will certainly play well to the growing anti-Patriots crowd nationally, regardless of intent and even giving thanks to fortuitous timing, New England is in the clear this season.
 

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i agree with this article.

people act like the pats are the only ones who try to get the upper hand against their opponents.

i'm also not suprised that there are accusations about the colts piping in crowd noise.i would do it also if i was the colts management.

the giants for years have been accused by some to open some doors in the stands to change wind direction when the opponent is trying a field goal.

the former great receiver from the raiders fred (can't spell his name..lol) used stick-em on his hands to help in catch the ball better.

when george allen was coaching the redskins, he used to order the field crew in wash.to not cut the grass because he thought it would slow down fast teams like the cowboys.

so in other words alot of teams try to get the upper hand over their opponent...that's the american way...lol
 

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former great receiver from the raiders fred (can't spell his name..

Fred Biletnikoff?
 

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AR182 has hit it right on as he usually does.

Welcome back my friend.:00hour

Hopefully you have more time now to keep posting.
 

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AR182 has hit it right on as he usually does.

Welcome back my friend.:00hour

Hopefully you have more time now to keep posting.

thanks ctown & ripken...appreciate it.

ctown...hopefully..but my wife is starting a new business & she wants me to help her....of course for free (lol)...so i don't know how much time i will have.
 

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There is no way the pats go undefeated to the superbowl ! There will be at least one week where they will show up and expect to win just because of who they are. Don't forget they still have to play the Steelers . :nono:
 

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What a fricking joke. Baby Shula should be careful or the glass house he's living in might fall down on his old crusty curmudgeonly head.

Part of the quotes from Shula I heard on the radio said that the harshness of the punishment and loss of a first round pick indicate the severity of the cheating. I thought he was joking at first.

Hmmm.

Lets go back in time.

Its 1969 and Shula is the coach of the Colts. He negotiates and signs a new deal with the Dolphins starting in the 1970 season. Oh wait. The only problem is he was still the Colts coach at the time. The NFL investigated Shula and the Dolphins for tampering, found them guilty and docked them a first round draft pick. So if the loss of a first round pick is indicitave of severe cheating in his eyes and warrants an asterisk for the Pats, does that mean he should have one on his whole coaching career since he and the Dolphins cheated to get him his next job?

Don, please be quiet. People respect a great coach's opinion. They dont respect a blatant hypocrite.
 

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they need to put an asterisk on their first superbowl when that bitch Brady fumbled against the Raiders and the refs handed them the game.

the rest have been legit including this year.
 

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What a fricking joke. Baby Shula should be careful or the glass house he's living in might fall down on his old crusty curmudgeonly head.

Part of the quotes from Shula I heard on the radio said that the harshness of the punishment and loss of a first round pick indicate the severity of the cheating. I thought he was joking at first.

Hmmm.

Lets go back in time.

Its 1969 and Shula is the coach of the Colts. He negotiates and signs a new deal with the Dolphins starting in the 1970 season. Oh wait. The only problem is he was still the Colts coach at the time. The NFL investigated Shula and the Dolphins for tampering, found them guilty and docked them a first round draft pick. So if the loss of a first round pick is indicitave of severe cheating in his eyes and warrants an asterisk for the Pats, does that mean he should have one on his whole coaching career since he and the Dolphins cheated to get him his next job?

Don, please be quiet. People respect a great coach's opinion. They dont respect a blatant hypocrite.

yeah i agree he's coming off looking rather foolish with this...
 

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What a fricking joke. Baby Shula should be careful or the glass house he's living in might fall down on his old crusty curmudgeonly head.

Part of the quotes from Shula I heard on the radio said that the harshness of the punishment and loss of a first round pick indicate the severity of the cheating. I thought he was joking at first.

Hmmm.

Lets go back in time.

Its 1969 and Shula is the coach of the Colts. He negotiates and signs a new deal with the Dolphins starting in the 1970 season. Oh wait. The only problem is he was still the Colts coach at the time. The NFL investigated Shula and the Dolphins for tampering, found them guilty and docked them a first round draft pick. So if the loss of a first round pick is indicitave of severe cheating in his eyes and warrants an asterisk for the Pats, does that mean he should have one on his whole coaching career since he and the Dolphins cheated to get him his next job?

Don, please be quiet. People respect a great coach's opinion. They dont respect a blatant hypocrite.

Man haven't seen you lately either and once again a voice from the past right on.

Thanks for reminding us of this and it is so right when someone pops off there always sems to be skeletons in their closet to come back and might them in the moon1
 

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thanks ctown & ripken...appreciate it.

ctown...hopefully..but my wife is starting a new business & she wants me to help her....of course for free (lol)...so i don't know how much time i will have.

Wives, what can we do:142smilie
Absolutely nothing, especially when you have a gem like yours and mine:00hour
 

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It doesn't matter because they go down on December 9, 2007.

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the former great receiver from the raiders fred (can't spell his name..lol) used stick-em on his hands to help in catch the ball better.


Wasn't stick-em legal back then. It's just that he put it on with a shovel. :142smilie
 
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