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I agree with you deadeye. If BO, his family and all the congress had to use this plan, I'd jump through a flaming hoop to use it myself. But like social security, etc., they don't need to worry about it.
 

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get a fucking job that has benefits, problem solved:shrug: I am sick and tired of lazy asses thinking they should get a free ride and free insurance. go to work

Yeah, easy for you to say, when you have a job and haven't lost it due to the economy. It's not that easy to get a good job with benefits these days, not that you'd have a damn bit of compassion for anyone other than yourself.

Ideals and standards are always important until you personally are affected by something. I didn't think I could get get more negative towards you than I already was, but this thread is taking it to another level.

Fuck everybody else, leave me alone, my ideas are the only one that are right, and I'll be damned if I will think anything or anyone else could ever be more right than me. Pretty fucking convenient way to live, really. Until everything changes for you, out of the blue. Then you might whistle a different tune - a lot like other blowhards that criticize drug users until proven to be one themself, criticize gays and that way of life until their caught fondling someone or tapping their toes in a mens room stall, looking for a good buttbonking, all those things that you and the people you align yourself with seem to believe in, until something changes.
 

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Yeah, easy for you to say, when you have a job and haven't lost it due to the economy. It's not that easy to get a good job with benefits these days, not that you'd have a damn bit of compassion for anyone other than yourself.

Ideals and standards are always important until you personally are affected by something. I didn't think I could get get more negative towards you than I already was, but this thread is taking it to another level.

Fuck everybody else, leave me alone, my ideas are the only one that are right, and I'll be damned if I will think anything or anyone else could ever be more right than me. Pretty fucking convenient way to live, really. Until everything changes for you, out of the blue. Then you might whistle a different tune - a lot like other blowhards that criticize drug users until proven to be one themself, criticize gays and that way of life until their caught fondling someone or tapping their toes in a mens room stall, looking for a good buttbonking, all those things that you and the people you align yourself with seem to believe in, until something changes.

save money, quit bitching about no jobs and go to work, problem solved, work, work,work, get an education, quit asking the government for a hand out, I hate lazy bums that want the government to give them insurance or anything else, save your money and do it yourself
 

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I don't like freeloaders, everyone should pull their weight, survival of the fittest. I have never given a bum money, I don't give one penny to charity, except to the SPCA since animals can't work, this is what I believe, work, work, work, quit bitching and buy your own insurance

try paying my plan for $1150 a month. or should i go out and work for somebody else to get the benefits? what happens when it's $1600 a month a year down the road? something has to give.
 

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try paying my plan for $1150 a month. or should i go out and work for somebody else to get the benefits? what happens when it's $1600 a month a year down the road? something has to give.

Yep. The new plan is you will now just pay Uncle Sam $1150 per month and Chadman will get his free health insurance. He never has to work and you don't have to worry about it going to $1600 per month. Well, until the Gov't decides they need a little more funding and then earmark the tax increase to a really important patriotic bill.

Just like Eddie Haskell and Spytheweb's dream come true.

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I don't understand why property and casualty insurance is under state oversight and each state regulates the pricing. Why don't they do this with health insurance?
 

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try paying my plan for $1150 a month. or should i go out and work for somebody else to get the benefits? what happens when it's $1600 a month a year down the road? something has to give.

Are you married? does your wife work? Does her employer have insurance coverage? I am sure my employer pays 1150 per month for my whole family, I do not know for sure, I cover myself for 150 per month and my wife covers herself and both kids for about 350 per month out of pocket, she works for the State of Texas.
 

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Our problem is the fact that there is insurance at all. The idea of a middle man making massive profits off of people's health is inherently wrong.

Take insurance out of the equation and we can create a system that works for all. If we don't do that, I don't know what will ever change. They will always rip off the country and try to deny coverage whenever possible.
 

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Are you married? does your wife work? Does her employer have insurance coverage? I am sure my employer pays 1150 per month for my whole family, I do not know for sure, I cover myself for 150 per month and my wife covers herself and both kids for about 350 per month out of pocket, she works for the State of Texas.

you missed my point :sadwave:
 

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you missed my point :sadwave:

I try to fix things...what is the right answer? have the government control your life and what kind of care you get? I prefer to be in control. Premiums go up as you get older because of risk factors
 
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Our problem is the fact that there is insurance at all. The idea of a middle man making massive profits off of people's health is inherently wrong.

Take insurance out of the equation and we can create a system that works for all. If we don't do that, I don't know what will ever change. They will always rip off the country and try to deny coverage whenever possible.
There it is.
 

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Our problem is the fact that there is insurance at all. The idea of a middle man making massive profits off of people's health is inherently wrong.

Take insurance out of the equation and we can create a system that works for all. If we don't do that, I don't know what will ever change. They will always rip off the country and try to deny coverage whenever possible.

Nobody has forced anyone to take out insurance yet--except your boy is trying to now.

Insurance is simply a way to transfer risk we do not want to absorb ourselves--however tough idea to convey to the Bob Dylan--"if you ain't got nothin-you got nothin to lose" segment of population. :)
 

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Our problem is the fact that there is insurance at all. The idea of a middle man making massive profits off of people's health is inherently wrong.

Take insurance out of the equation and we can create a system that works for all. If we don't do that, I don't know what will ever change. They will always rip off the country and try to deny coverage whenever possible.

good point, then we will have to get rid of lawyers, since doctors pay ridiculous insurance premiums for mal-practice insurance
 

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Our problem is the fact that there is insurance at all. The idea of a middle man making massive profits off of people's health is inherently wrong.

Take insurance out of the equation and we can create a system that works for all. If we don't do that, I don't know what will ever change. They will always rip off the country and try to deny coverage whenever possible.

Smurph, you don't have to have insurance. You can cover yourself, this isn't like auto or home inurance where you have to cover it. If you don't want them making money then don't buy insurance, you take the chance instead of them taking it.
 

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A big F-U to Obamacare, Hopefully more and more states will rise up against this administration and their Communist policies
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Perry raises possibility of states' rights showdown with White House over healthcare

AUSTIN ? Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states? rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president?s healthcare plan, which he said would be "disastrous" for Texas.

Interviewed by conservative talk show host Mark Davis of Dallas? WBAP/820 AM, Perry said his first hope is that Congress will defeat the plan, which both Perry and Davis described as "Obama Care." But should it pass, Perry predicted that Texas and a "number" of states might resist the federal health mandate.

"I think you?ll hear states and governors standing up and saying 'no? to this type of encroachment on the states with their healthcare," Perry said. "So my hope is that we never have to have that stand-up. But I?m certainly willing and ready for the fight if this administration continues to try to force their very expansive government philosophy down our collective throats."

Perry, the state?s longest-serving governor, has made defiance of Washington a hallmark of his state administration as well as his emerging re-election campaign against U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the 2010 Republican primary. Earlier this year, Perry refused $555 million in federal unemployment stimulus money, saying it would subject Texas to long-term costs after the federal dollars ended.

Interviewed after returning from a trip to Iraq and Afghanistan, Perry spoke out against President Barack Obama?s healthcare package less than 24 hours after the president used a prime-time news conference Wednesday night to try to sell the massive legislative package to Congress and the public.

'Not the solution?

"It really is a state issue, and if there was ever an argument for the 10th Amendment and for letting the states find a solution to their problems, this may be at the top of the class," Perry said. "A government-run healthcare system is financially unstable. It?s not the solution."

Perry heartily backed an unsuccessful resolution in this year?s legislative session that would have affirmed the belief that Texas has sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

In expressing "unwavering support" for the 10th Amendment resolution by state Rep. Brandon Creighton, R-Conroe, Perry said "federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens and its interference with the affairs of our state."

Returning to the "letter and spirit" of the 10th Amendment, he said in April, "will free our state from undue regulations and ultimately strengthen our union."

Perry, in his on-air interview Thursday with Davis, did not specify how he might use the 10th Amendment in opposing the Obama health plan. His spokeswoman, Allison Castle, said that the governor?s first goal is to defeat the plan in Congress and that any discussion of options beyond that would be "hypothetical."

"I don?t think it?s surprising that the governor is taking a stand against it," said Anne Dunkelberg, associate director of the Center for Public Policy Priorities, an Austin-based research organization that supports the House version of Obama?s plan. "Unfortunately, the national dialogue on health reform has been extraordinarily partisan and polarized."

The White House Media Affairs Office, asked to comment on Perry?s statements, did not have an immediate response. In his remarks to the nation Wednesday, Obama restated his midsummer deadline for passage of the bill in Congress, saying it is urgently needed to help families "that are being clobbered by healthcare costs."

High stakes in Texas

Texas has a higher percentage of uninsured people than any other state, with 1 in 4 Texans lacking health coverage. Dunkelberg, whose organization supports policies to help low- and modest-income Texans, said the House version would create a "predictable and comprehensive benefits package" for thousands of struggling middle-income Texans.

Former Rep. Arlene Wohlgemuth of Burleson, a senior fellow for healthcare at the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation, echoed Perry?s assertion that the Obama plan is the wrong approach and could have disastrous financial consequences for Texas.

Under the Senate version of the bill, she said, an expansion of the joint federal-state Medicaid program for the poor could cost Texas $4 billion a year.

"There are good solutions" to the country?s healthcare problems, Wohlgemuth said. "This isn?t it."

Perry said the plan is another example of the Obama administration?s "massive takeover of the private-sector economy."

"I hope our leaders will look for solutions that don?t dig our country further into debt," he said.

Perry called on Texans in the House and Senate to oppose the plan. "I can?t imagine that anyone from Texas who cares about this state would vote for Obama Care. I don?t care whether you?re Democrat or Republican," he said.

Of those Texans who might consider supporting the plan, he said: "This may sound a little bit harsh, but they might ought to consider representing some other state because they?re sure not representing Texas."

a big FU right back to the likes of you in TX....not all Tx but just the smart guys like you.... this thing is not going to happen... even if it does..Obnma will be president for 4 to 8 yrs... bush couldn't kill us Obama can't either... wipe your nose and have a little faith in the American People.. if this guy fucks it up as much as the last guy... then we have a fighting chance.. then Americans will see the enemy is not on their left or right but everyone inside the beltway...we waste time defending who is right or wrong, when they all are most of the time..this obama/cop/gates thing is the latest example of their snmoke screens... think about the time and resources wasted on this bull shit...
 
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"5,550 Texans Are Losing Their Health Coverage Every Week, as the Steady Rise of Health Care Costs Drives More and More Working Families out of the Market"

I dion't give a shit what you say about spw, if this is true then I would like some spin. I have no idea if it is, however, if it is....then we need something other than what Obama is proposing, but something. It really has gotten out of control.

(dtb, we provide full health care for all employees, so don't give me your bullshit da base health care nonsense)

If O'Bama was a real citizen none of this shit would be happening. And that is the bottom line.

TYIA. JMHO. TYIAA.

If Obama was a citizen or if he were white (like Bush) none of this would be happening.


Texas is near the bottom among the 50 states in per-capita spending on health and human services, but it is a leader in outsourcing these functions to private contractors. Since taking office in 2000, Perry has pushed some of the nation?s most ambitious outsourcing endeavors, going well beyond his predecessor, George W. Bush.

?We have a leadership that believes the private sector does things better,? said Celia Hagert, senior policy analyst and privatization expert at the Center for Public Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group in Austin.

?Whether it?s ideology or philosophy ? simply believing that people shouldn?t be on these programs in the first place ? these things have combined to create a very stingy social safety net system in Texas.?

Since 2000, the Texas Department of Insurance has fined UnitedHealth or one of its units seven times totaling more than $10 million for violations involving claims payouts, reporting requirements and other problems.

Texas doctors have long complained about UnitedHealth and its handling of claims under employer-provided insurance plans.


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Your stats on Texas are accurate per your source. However, those figures, when looked at in whole, seem to fall along lines of total population. The numbers for the Dakotas and Wyoming, etc, are under 100. Of course that doesn't make it a good thing but Texas is no worse than other states with similar population.


Then there's Texas, where the insurance crisis has multiple causes:

?Small businesses dominate the economy, but only 31% of those with 50 or fewer employees offer insurance in Texas, compared with 43% nationally. As a result, 48% of Texans are covered by employers, compared with 53% nationally.

?Income limits to qualify for Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program for the poor and disabled, are among the lowest in the nation here. Texas has set a limit of $4,822 per year for a family of three, compared with nearly $10,000 in Florida, $18,000 in California and $25,000 in New York. Texas has no subsidized health insurance program for childless adults; 19 states and the District of Columbia offer some coverage.

?The state has forfeited more than $900 million in federal money under the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) during the past six years because it wouldn't put up 28 cents for each 72 cents in federal aid. Restrictions put in place in 2003 cut about 200,000 children from the program in a state with the highest percentage of uninsured children, nearly twice the national average. "It's a horrible scandal," says Jeffrey Starke, chief of pediatrics at Ben Taub.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-18-texas-health-care_N.htm
 

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--sure not an advantageous state for Da Base.

Maybe that why they have budget surplus when most are begging for bailouts.
I think I remember someone saying something about living with the consequences of ones convictions.

on the Schip--we have federal plan called medicade that pays for insurance for people (children) at poverty level. Now under Schip families earning over $80,000 a year are eligible in some states.

The more I read about texas--the more I like.
--and they're running surplus with no state income tax--thats got to be a liberals nightmare :)
 

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Yep. The new plan is you will now just pay Uncle Sam $1150 per month and Chadman will get his free health insurance. He never has to work and you don't have to worry about it going to $1600 per month. Well, until the Gov't decides they need a little more funding and then earmark the tax increase to a really important patriotic bill.

Just like Eddie Haskell and Spytheweb's dream come true.

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Wilson, I don't care about getting free health insurance. I will be just fine, or as fine as most people, whether anything changes or not. I will have to make choices, just like anyone else. My point is, I think we have to reform the way things are being done now, to try to help control health care costs for everyone. How to do it, I'm not sure. But I am sure that if we don't try to reign in the people who are sticking it to us and making billions of dollars in the process, and raising our costs every day, then eventually nobody WILL be able to afford it, or at least not the average, or even above average income earner.

I'm not asking for a handout, for myself or anyone. I'm asking for people to talk about this, and try to come up with some sensible answers. Doing nothing is not a sensible answer, I don't think. It's certainly EASIER, but not sensible.
 
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