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Ferdville that was priceless. You hit the nail on the head. There's no way this so-called "engineer" would have the balls to take us on in a civics and U.S. History contest anyways. He claims that he "wouldn't have time" yet he sits in Madjacks all day arguing with people who know more than he does. Making this guy look foolish is too easy and getting quite boring. Maybe we should shut up so he can get back to his "engineering".
 

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If the liberals will stop the daily non-productive obstructing and bashing of our elected president and start coming up with some alternative solutions and positive ideas, then I myself vow to quit pointing out their whining, blaming, crying, bitching and fingerpointing.

interesting, seems I remember the Republicans crying, bashing and grinding the entire country to a halt, all over a cum stain. Then it turned out two of the biggest mouths, (NEWT, RUSH) had quite the skeletons themselves.
 

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So Bill Cllinton lied to the entire nation on national television and it's Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich's fault??? That's gotta be the most desperate distant straw I have ever seen anyone grasp at. Good One.

Please explain your comment about our "nation being grinded to a halt" at that time. You can offer some details and evidence to back up this claim right? Thanks.
 

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I think they told Newt to go home and pay his child support.
 

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Charlie, you know as well as me, the entire Republican Party was 100% focused on Bill s cum shot. it was non stop for two years, were you out of the country?

And I didn't say Rush and newt were responsible, just typically had their mouths jawing, while they weren't that perfect themselves, you know like most big mouth blow hards.
 

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CHARLESMANSON said:
So Bill Cllinton lied to the entire nation on national television

Couldn't get past this sentence without collapsing from laughing convulsions.

When I regained my senses I realized that, well, he has a point. Georgie has NEVER lied to the entire nation on national television.

Was it national television when he said there was proof that Saddam was trying to acquire uranium from Niger? This after Tenet told him that he was citing a forged document. Yeah, that was national television.

Was it national television when he showed us that balsa wood plane and told us that it could deliver WMD to our shores? Yeah, I think so.

I could go on and on. As Manson would say, that's PRICELESS!

Bill lied about a blow job though.
 

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Now if anyone is interested in what Pres said and remarks "both" pro and con afterwards---

Bush: 'Terrorists Are Failing' in Iraq

Wednesday, June 29, 2005



WASHINGTON ? On the first anniversary of the transfer of power from coalition to Iraqi authorities, President Bush outlined his strategy to win the conflict that has cost the lives of more than 1,740 U.S. troops.

He also reminded Americans why U.S. troops were in Iraq.

"The terrorists who attacked us ? and the terrorists we face ? murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent," the president said.

"Their aim is to remake the Middle East in their own grim image of tyranny and oppression ? by toppling governments, driving us out of the region, and exporting terror," Bush told troops at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina, home of the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division (search).

"Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war. Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania," he continued.

"There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home," he said.

Criticism of the administration's Iraq policy has been mounting in Congress, with lawmakers in both parties pointing to a drop in public opinion and some Democrats making comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam by calling it a "quagmire."

In his speech, Bush acknowledged that "progress has been uneven. But progress is being made."

"The terrorists ? both foreign and Iraqi ? failed to stop the transfer of sovereignty," he said. "They failed to break our coalition and force a mass withdrawal by our allies. They failed to incite an Iraqi civil war. They failed to prevent free elections. They failed to stop the formation of a democratic Iraqi government that represents all of Iraq?s diverse population. And they failed to stop Iraqis from signing up in large numbers with the police forces and the army to defend their new democracy."

Leading Democrats faulted the president for what they described as a lack of detail in what he intended to do to win the peace and bring American service members home.

"The president missed an opportunity tonight for straight talk to the American people," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (search), D-Calif., said in a statement.

Rep. Richard Wexler (search), D-Fla., said Bush "espoused empty rhetoric about Iraq in an attempt to allay American fears ... [and] failed to address the most significant problems surrounding this ill-conceived, poorly planned and falsely-justified war."

A Multi-Step, Coordinated Process

Bush quoted Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden's declaration that Iraq was the central front in the War on Terror, and restated the mission several times ? to hunt down terrorists while helping Iraqis build a free nation that would lay the groundwork for peace in the Middle East.

Bush said several goals had been reached:

? Sovereignty had been restored to Iraqis;

? Eight million Iraqis voted in elections to establish an interim government;

? The infrastructure, including roads, schools and health clinics as well as sanitation, electricity and water facilities, was being rebuilt;

? More than 160,000 security forces had been trained and equipped.

The president acknowledged that not all Iraqi security forces could plan and execute anti-terrorist operations, but contended they were building up as quickly as possible.

"As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down," Bush said.

The president also gave credit to the international community for its support. Forty countries and three international organizations had pledged $34 billion in assistance for Iraqi reconstruction, Bush said.

Meanwhile, 30 nations had troops in Iraq and others were contributing non-military assistance; the United Nations was helping Iraqis write a constitution for the next elections; and donor countries were to meet in Jordan next month to pledge support toward Iraqi reconstruction, following a similar summit in Brussels last week.

Bush said hundreds of foreign fighters from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Libya and other nations had been killed or captured. More than 2,000 Iraqi security forces had died in the effort.

The president also discussed three new steps he said were being taken by U.S. troops:

? Partnering coalition units with Iraqi units to conduct field operations together;

? Embedding coalition "transition teams" inside Iraqi units to provide battlefield advice and assistance during combat operations, and also teach urban combat, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance techniques;

? Working with the Iraqi ministries of Interior and Defense to improve their capabilities and develop command and control structures as well as civilian and military leadership training.

Bush added that NATO was establishing a military academy near Baghdad to train the next generation of Iraqi military leaders.

Bush said all those steps would allow Iraqis to vote for a new government and "bind their multiethnic society together in a democracy that respects the will of the majority and protects minority rights."

Praise for the U.S. Military

During his remarks, Bush thanked the troops, who were warned not to hoop and holler during the address, telling them they had "contributed mightily" to create a free, democratic and safe Iraq.

"To the soldiers in this hall, and our servicemen and women across the globe: I thank you for your courage under fire and your service to our nation. I thank our military families ? the burden of war falls especially hard on you," Bush said.

Earlier in the day, Bush set aside nearly three hours to meet families of soldiers who had died, as he usually does when he visits military bases. Outside the base, opponents of the war protested.

"There's a groundswell against this war,'" said Bill Dobbs, spokesman United for Peace and Justice (search), an anti-war coalition of more than 1,300 local and national groups. "You can see it in Congress, you can see it in newspaper editorials and what young people are saying to military recruiters: 'No.'"

The Bush administration is fighting public displeasure with the war effort. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed doubts about the war have reached a high point, with more than half of those surveyed saying invading Iraq was a mistake.

A FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll taken earlier this month found that Iraq was by far the issue Americans considered the most important for the federal government to address. In the poll, 25 percent cited Iraq and Saddam Hussein as the top issue; the No. 2 issue was the economy, with 13 percent listing it as the most important.

In the second poll, Bush had the approval of 48 percent of Americans, while 43 percent disapproved of his job performance.

Several lawmakers stated before the president's speech that they wanted to hear about concrete steps to secure Iraq so that U.S. soldiers and sailors could plan to leave. Many Democrats on Capitol Hill, as well as some Republicans, have urged the president to lay out a timetable for withdrawal.

Bush said he recognized that Americans want the troops to come home.

"Some contend that we should set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces," he said. "Let me explain why that would be a serious mistake. Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis ? who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done.

"It would send the wrong message to our troops ? who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve," he continued. "And it would send the wrong message to the enemy ? who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out. We will stay in Iraq as long as we are needed ? and not a day longer."

Bush also explained why he did not want to change troop levels unless commanders asked for it.

"Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight," he said. "And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever ? when we are in fact working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave."

Bush's speech is part of a White House public-relations campaign to calm public anxieties about the war. It came after several conflicting, sometimes perplexing, messages about the nature and duration of the conflict.

Vice President Dick Cheney last month asserted that the insurgency in Iraq was "in its last throes."

He was later contradicted by the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, Gen. John Abizaid, who told a Congressional panel that the insurgency had not weakened, and by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who said on "FOX News Sunday" that the war could drag on for another decade.

Rumsfeld also told an interviewer this month that Iraq was "statistically" no safer for its citizens today than it was before the ouster of Saddam Hussein, although he maintained progress was being made.

As part of the PR campaign, Bush encouraged Americans to show their support for the military by flying the flag on the Fourth of July, sending letters to military members and helping military families.

He also announced a new Department of Defense Web site: AmericaSupportsYou.mil.

Hmmm I keep reading this yet I never do see Bush saying the terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq hmmm must be a lot of folk wrong in this thread aye ? Maybe im wrong.... someone please highlight from this speach what the hell your babbling about ???? anyone ???
 

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Hmmm I keep reading this yet I never do see Bush saying the terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq hmmm must be a lot of folk wrong in this thread aye ? Maybe im wrong.... someone please highlight from this speach what the hell your babbling about ???? anyone ???

It took me all of 2 minutes to find 3 examples where he ties in Iraq with 9/11. No, of course he never has said the hijackers were from Iraq. I think we all know and agree that most were from Saudi Arabia. Two totally different things.


He also reminded Americans why U.S. troops were in Iraq.

"The terrorists who attacked us ? and the terrorists we face ? murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent," the president said.


Bush quoted Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden's declaration that Iraq was the central front in the War on Terror, and restated the mission several times ? to hunt down terrorists while helping Iraqis build a free nation that would lay the groundwork for peace in the Middle East.






Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war. Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania," he continued.
 

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It took me all of 2 minutes to find 3 examples where he ties in Iraq with 9/11. No, of course he never has said the hijackers were from Iraq. I think we all know and agree that most were from Saudi Arabia. Two totally different things.

A correct comparison of the insurgents in Iraq to the people responsible for 9/11 is hardly saying the 9/11 Terrorist were from Iraq . How come you have such a hard time comprehending that is beyond me .
 

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Palehose said:
A correct comparison of the insurgents in Iraq to the people responsible for 9/11 is hardly saying the 9/11 Terrorist were from Iraq . How come you have such a hard time comprehending that is beyond me .

Comprehending? EARTH TO PALEHOSE: Nobody is saying that Bush is claiming that Iraq was involved in 9/11 in any way. Nobody ever has.

We are pointing out the obvious that Bush, with his words, is trying to justify the Iraq war by saying that it is crucial to the war on terror. When we all agree that Iraq had nothing to do with any terror against the west.

Get it?
 

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Master Capper posted : I really think that Bush does believe that the 9/11 terrorist came from Iraq, why else would he continue to try and link the two?

My original post : Hmmm I keep reading this yet I never do see Bush saying the terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq hmmm must be a lot of folk wrong in this thread aye ? Maybe im wrong.... someone please highlight from this speach what the hell your babbling about ???? anyone ???

Kosar it took you 2 minutes to find 3 examples none of which answer my original quote Congrats !!!! :clap:
 

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Palehose said:
Master Capper posted : I really think that Bush does believe that the 9/11 terrorist came from Iraq, why else would he continue to try and link the two?

My original post : Hmmm I keep reading this yet I never do see Bush saying the terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq hmmm must be a lot of folk wrong in this thread aye ? Maybe im wrong.... someone please highlight from this speach what the hell your babbling about ???? anyone ???

Kosar it took you 2 minutes to find 3 examples none of which answer my original quote Congrats !!!! :clap:

Oh brother. Master Capper posted an opinion (which I don't agree with), he has never said that Bush has claimed that terrorists were from Iraq. Neither has anybody else, ever. Not here, not anywhere. We knew the nationalities of those guys hours after it happened. So what kind of dumbass question is this:


Hmmm I keep reading this yet I never do see Bush saying the terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq hmmm must be a lot of folk wrong in this thread aye ?

Bush has never said this. So you are trying to debate something that 100% of the worlds population agrees with? Brilliant.
 

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PaleHose is probably Manson - style seems almost same.

Yeah, that crossed my mind a couple days ago as well. Same moronic style but a little less hyper. Always posts during hours when the library would be open. Talking out of his ass making no sense. It adds up.
 
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