Even A.P. ain't buying it

[Trench]

I am laughing my ass off at you....but you already knew that, right?

I'm laughing right along with you Duff... :142smilie

Mags has got his little Republican talking points down. Too bad he has no facts to back any of them up.

Allow me to summarize Mags's posts in this thead:
Insurance company control of the American Healthcare Industry = Capitalism.
Any government involvement in the American Healthcare Industry = Socialism.

And he's the expert on this topic? :mj07:

Tell me Mags... am I being cynical now? :lol:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Okay, so why is there an increase by the insurance company at all because the government is paying the COBRA payment? What sense does that make? Are they trying to take advantage of the government, and make all the money they can make, when they can make it? Are you sure that the companies are being reimbursed for all of that money? Are they this year, or is that only next year?

And the second part, the insurance company is raising the rates that much next year, and will do so in the next two years, in advance of something unknown? Hypothetical scenarios that do not exist yet? No real risk factors in play, so they will increase rates dramatically now, and in the next three years before anything becomes known? You yourself are dealing with hypotheticals in your assessment. How is the general public afforded any kind of cost protections with that scenario? Rates were skyrocketing with nothing being done leading up to this. And now, it's another excuse to raise them even more? I guess these companies can always find someone else to blame, right?

I agree something should be done to control costs in areas of pharma, doctors, hospitals, etc. But I'm glad to see something being done in SOME area, which might make it possible to make changes later in those other areas. If insurance companies are making less, perhaps they'll put pressure on the other areas to avoid paying out so much. As it is now, they have no reason to care at all, being able to raise their rates indefinitely, without recourse.

And we know, without the current initiative, nothing would ever have been done from the right. At least that's how I see it. But I'm mainly interested in my first question, on COBRA. Why would the insurance companies raise rates on policies because the government is paying the bill and not the consumer or individual? Makes no sense to me, unless they are gouging the government, hoping they won't be discovered.

The cobra is contributes to demographics increase as I said earlier--but should have clarified--sorry.

As I said a large portion of this group was put on cobra due to plant closing--their portion of premium to continue coverage would be 1/3.

Out of about 30 people who had choice to contnue coverage--guess which ones opted not to--the young healthy ones who never had a claim--guess who will keep it entire 18 months?

Results is they wreaked havoc with next 18 months risk pool as we got rid of healthy and retained non healthy. (fewer insured (less premium) with same amount of anticipated claims.

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Just got this a few minutes ago in my morning mail from Anthem--

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield Individual Business to Suspend Child-Only Coverage Effective 9/23/10
Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield is committed to offering a broad range of products and services that meet customer needs in the changing health insurance market, and to implementing the new health care reform legislation in a way that benefits our customers and members.
We have reviewed the rules regarding the provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act (PPACA) limiting the application of pre-existing condition exclusions for children under 19. Unfortunately, there remains a great deal of uncertainty as to how the rules will be implemented and what the impacts might be on participating insurers.
While some carriers may continue to offer child-only policies, other carriers have dealt with this lack of clarity by choosing to discontinue new business sales of their child-only policies. Some have cited the lack of an effective mandate for individuals to obtain coverage, as well as ongoing market uncertainty. Unfortunately, this has created an unlevel competitive environment. As a result, Anthem has decided to suspend the sale of child-only policies indefinitely, beginning September 17, 2010.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

http://www.ctnow.com/health/hc-health-insurance-rate-hike-0914-20100914,0,5611833.story

Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20 Percent In Connecticut

Health insurers are asking for immediate rate hikes of more than 20 percent in Connecticut for some plans, citing rising medical costs and federal health reform laws as reasons.

Both issues ? the new federal health care reform and rising medical costs ? are significant drivers of the increases, according to filings by insurers with state regulators that were reviewed by The Courant---

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42257.html

Democrats spend on anti-health-reform advertisements

Democratic candidates are spending three times more advertising against the health reform law than they are in support of it.
Since the beginning of Congress?s August recess, Democratic candidates have poured $930,000 into ads deriding the health overhaul but just $300,000 in pro-reform spots, according to Evan Tracey at Kantar Media.


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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41777.html

Democrats run away from health care

 

[Mags]

Well, Mags, there's no point in reposting all your bullshit and responding to it point-by-point, since you aren't able to follow logical progression.

Here, I'll try to ask you a really simple question and see whether you can answer.

Start with this fact, which, in this day of internet information, even you can verify -

Now you will notice that all of these countries are more "socialistic" or, if you prefer "egalitarian" or "progressive" or "populist" than the USA.

So, Mags, let's hear your explanation as to how rank capitalism is a superior system. You know, explain your theory and how it fits the above facts. That's FACTS, Mags, FACTS, not Fox News talking points or Sarah Palin platitudes or misspelled slogans on a teabagger poster. The Gadsen flag is not a fact.

Oh...don't forget to let us know what your local hospital quotes for a knee replacement, and when they can get to it. You will give them a jingle and report back, right? But, hey if you can't get that, just tell us what your local pediatrician quotes as a firm price, all costs included, to deliver a baby. Or how much your local clinic of GPs charges to treat a simple case of influenza, bottom line.

I am laughing my ass off at you....but you already knew that, right?

Yes, Duff, those are all countries that are based on a version of socialism, and steal from the successful people and give to the ones that don't care to work.

"Facts" - using what standard?

Those stats are a joke - as they look at quality of life for those folks that have no desire or drive to better themselves. In other words, how much can I get for "free" if I choose not to work?

I have a hunch that the income transfer machine is working well there (i.e. high tax rates). So, if you are not willing to work hard, invent, take risks, etc and want to sit back and let the government take care of you, yep, it's a great place to live. All Cradle to Grave entitlement countries.

I prefer a country that is not punitive to the most productive people in the country. Reward the people who are successful, not the ones who are not.

I'll ask again, as you have ignored this question - you keep complaining about the US, and tell us how great these other countries are - WHY don't you move there (if you are not there already)?

It clearly would make you happier, and probably the majority of us happier also......then you can sit back, not work, and get everything for "free"....

It's a great deal - I heard Iceland is a great place to live in the winter....

 

[Duff Miver]

"Facts" - using what standard?

This standard-

The survey uses nine quality of life factors to determine a nation's score[1]. They are listed below including the indicators used to represent these factors:

1. Health: Life expectancy at birth (in years). Source: US Census Bureau
2. Family life: Divorce rate (per 1,000 population), converted into index of 1 (lowest divorce rates) to 5 (highest). Sources: UN; Euromonitor
3. Community life: Variable taking value 1 if country has either high rate of church attendance or trade-union membership; zero otherwise. Source: World Values Survey
4. Material well being: GDP per person, at PPP in $. Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
5. Political stability and security: Political stability and security ratings. Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
6. Climate and geography: Latitude, to distinguish between warmer and colder climates. Source: CIA World Factbook
7. Job security: Unemployment rate (%.) Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
8. Political freedom: Average of indexes of political and civil liberties. Scale of 1 (completely free) to 7 (unfree). Source: Freedom House
9. Gender equality: Measured using ratio of average male and female earnings. Source: UNDP Human Development Report


Those stats are a joke - as they look at quality of life for those folks that have no desire or drive to better themselves. In other words, how much can I get for "free" if I choose not to work?

What does this rant of yours have to do with the nine factors above? Nothing. Off base as usual, Mags

I have a hunch that the income transfer machine is working well there (i.e. high tax rates). So, if you are not willing to work hard, invent, take risks, etc and want to sit back and let the government take care of you, yep, it's a great place to live. All Cradle to Grave entitlement countries.

You don't need a "hunch". Facts are facts.

I prefer a country that is not punitive to the most productive people in the country. Reward the people who are successful, not the ones who are not.

I'll ask again, as you have ignored this question - you keep complaining about the US, and tell us how great these other countries are - WHY don't you move there (if you are not there already)?


You're the one always suggesting people should move to other countries, so why don't you move to one which is more capitalistic than the USA - Hong Kong, for example.

It clearly would make you happier, and probably the majority of us happier also......then you can sit back, not work, and get everything for "free"....

Making you happy, Mags, is not high on my to-do list.

It's a great deal - I heard Iceland is a great place to live in the winter....

Better than Mississippi by any measure.

....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Well, Mags, there's no point in reposting all your bullshit and responding to it point-by-point, since you aren't able to follow logical progression.

Here, I'll try to ask you a really simple question and see whether you can answer.

Start with this fact, which, in this day of internet information, even you can verify -

Now you will notice that all of these countries are more "socialistic" or, if you prefer "egalitarian" or "progressive" or "populist" than the USA.

So, Mags, let's hear your explanation as to how rank capitalism is a superior system. You know, explain your theory and how it fits the above facts. That's FACTS, Mags, FACTS, not Fox News talking points or Sarah Palin platitudes or misspelled slogans on a teabagger poster. The Gadsen flag is not a fact.

Oh...don't forget to let us know what your local hospital quotes for a knee replacement, and when they can get to it. You will give them a jingle and report back, right? But, hey if you can't get that, just tell us what your local pediatrician quotes as a firm price, all costs included, to deliver a baby. Or how much your local clinic of GPs charges to treat a simple case of influenza, bottom line.

I am laughing my ass off at you....but you already knew that, right?

Thought we was went through this before Muffins and you kurby off. ( 2 weeks ago)

Went into the birth rates--divorce rates -DUH when you got 70% illegitamacy rates how does that factor into divorce rates:142smilie

As I said before- quality of life in places that are democracies are what productive people make themselves--your socialist countries would be what the gov makes for parasitic people such as yourself.
quality of life pretty good here in Bowling Green
--evidently your not too happy where your at.
Face it--your quality of life is proportionate to what you've done with it--you made your bed now sleep in it and live with your convictions and quit whining about it not being your fault--and keep hoping for your American Dream-- more taxes -social programs and that redistribution of wealth.:tongue

--and while your at would you run a demographics check on these countries for us--believe that was the other item you ran off in a cloud of dust over last time.

Liberals motto;
Ask not what you can do for your country but what it can do for you.

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almost forgot--you need to look up financial qualifications on becoming a citizen in Aussie Canada and others.

Not like here where you can come on student visa knock up some hippy ----abandon the kid and get immediately get in that welfare line.

 

[Duff Miver]

Thought we was went through this before Muffins and you kurby off. ( 2 weeks ago)

Went into the birth rates--divorce rates -DUH when you got 70% illegitamacy rates how does that factor into divorce rates:142smilie

As I said before- quality of life in places that are democracies are what productive people make themselves--your socialist countries would be what the gov makes for parasitic people such as yourself.
quality of life pretty good here in Bowling Green
--evidently your not too happy where your at.
Face it--your quality of life is proportionate to what you've done with it--you made your bed now sleep in it and live with your convictions and quit whining about it not being your fault--and keep hoping for your American Dream-- more taxes -social programs and that redistribution of wealth.:tongue

--and while your at would you run a demographics check on these countries for us--believe that was the other item you ran off in a cloud of dust over last time.

Liberals motto;
Ask not what you can do for your country but what it can do for you.

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almost forgot--you need to look up financial qualifications on becoming a citizen in Aussie Canada and others.

Not like here where you can come on student visa knock up some hippy ----abandon the kid and get immediately get in that welfare line.

It's near impossible to make any sense out of your random, disconnected raving, doggie.

Is there something you're trying to say, some point you'd like to make?

Try again tomorrow after you've sobered up and found a competent English speaker to help you.

Bad doggie. You need housebreaking.

 

[Trench]

It's near impossible to make any sense out of your random, disconnected raving, doggie.

Is there something you're trying to say, some point you'd like to make?

Try again tomorrow after you've sobered up and found a competent English speaker to help you.

Bad doggie. You need housebreaking.

Duff... allow me to explain (in English) what our semi-literate, countrified friend is trying to say. It's essentially the same tired play that he and Mags keep trying to make... If you're liberal, you "must" be a parasite living off the welfare state. Only conservatives contribute anything worthwhile to society.

What DTB and Mags fail to see is that this self-serving attitude only reveals how their own ego-centrism feeds their core beliefs and values. They're incapable of understanding that successful, well educated liberals favor social programs that help the underclass, not because we benefit from them in any way, but because the way a society treats its underclasses reveals the true strength of that society, not how much wealth can be accumulated by the super-rich or how many bullets and bombs can be rained down upon our so-called "enemies".

But they'll keep making this desperate play because when cornered or exposed, it's the only play they've got.

 

[Trench]

I'll ask again, as you have ignored this question - you keep complaining about the US, and tell us how great these other countries are - WHY don't you move there (if you are not there already)?

It clearly would make you happier, and probably the majority of us happier also......then you can sit back, not work, and get everything for "free"....

It's a great deal - I heard Iceland is a great place to live in the winter....

Iceland, Norway, Australia, Canada, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, the Netherlands and France are all beautiful countries and I'd love to live in any one of them.

You gotta problem with that? :shrug:

 

[Duff Miver]

Duff... allow me to explain (in English) what our semi-literate, countrified friend is trying to say. It's essentially the same tired play that he and Mags keep trying to make... If you're liberal, you "must" be a parasite living off the welfare state. Only conservatives contribute anything worthwhile to society.

What DTB and Mags fail to see is that this self-serving attitude only reveals how their own ego-centrism feeds their core beliefs and values. They're incapable of understanding that successful, well educated liberals favor social programs that help the underclass, not because we benefit from them in any way, but because the way a society treats its underclasses reveals the true strength of that society, not how much wealth can be accumulated by the super-rich or how many bullets and bombs can be rained down upon our so-called "enemies".

But they'll keep making this desperate play because when cornered or exposed, it's the only play they've got.

I suppose you're correct, Trench. I've been paying my own way since I was 16, no g'mint handouts, and at this point, I have everything I want or need, and enough of MY money in the bank to last forever. doggie and Mags can't comprehend that, since they are always worried that some of the few pennies they pay in taxes might be used to actually help a fellow citizen.

I have a friend like them, always ranting that he pays too much tax, and that his tax money goes to help "them", by which he means black folks.

Now this particular man I refer to is retired after a lifetime of employment by government agencies, state and federal. Every penny he was paid came from taxpayer pockets, and since he has retired, he lives on a government pension plus Social Security and Medicare - all of it taxpayer money.

In addition he and his wife have had serious medical problems, and have tapped Medicare taxpayer pockets for another $250K.

But wait, it gets even better. He has three male children, all now in their 50s. Son # 1 suffered a stroke a few years ago, and he and his family now live on permanent disability pay and the salary his wife earns as a state employee - 100% taxpayer money.

Son #2 and his wife have both lost their jobs, and both now collect unemployment, so they're 100% taxpayer funded too.

Son #3 is unable to hold a real job and works a little odd job stuff for which he is paid in cash and pays no taxes, and his wife is a county employee, again living on taxpayer money.

So, this redneck family, bottom line, has taken at least ten times as much taxpayer money as they ever paid in, and will continue to do so until they die.

But they're white, so it's okay...except for a mixed race grand baby that one of the granddaughters dropped on them,,,but that's a whole 'nother story...LOL!

I have to try hard to stifle a laugh when I'm around them and they go off on their usual rant about those "worthless leaches". It's really a hoot.

I'll bet if we knew the truth about doggie and Mags, their extended families collect more than they ever paid in too. Those who whine the loudest are always the most guilty.

Hang in there J-bro.

 

[Duff Miver]

Iceland, Norway, Australia, Canada, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, the Netherlands and France are all beautiful countries and I'd love to live in any one of them.

You gotta problem with that? :shrug:

My significant other's cousin (ret'd Air Force Col), married A Japanese girl who he met as a young man stationed in Japan. They lived all over the world until he retired, then they moved to Japan, where they have been for several years. He finds Japanese taxes somewhat higher than the USA, but, surprisingly, housing and food and utilities are less (they live in a small city an hour from Tokyo).

Doctor visits cost him $4.50, regardless of what is done. Dental and vision care is also $4.50, and prescriptions are a flat $2.50. There is virtually no crime, all the public services (like mail delivery twice/day, 7 days a week), run flawlessly, and everything is spotlessly clean and perfectly maintained.

His son, a capitalist Japanese businessman was a millionaire at age 25.

Of course the Japanese don't have to pay for foolish wars.

We're off to France in two weeks...maybe we'll come back, maybe not. Fantastic food, excellent wine, beautiful women and great grouse hunting, what's not to like?

 

[Trench]

My significant other's cousin (ret'd Air Force Col), married A Japanese girl who he met as a young man stationed in Japan. They lived all over the world until he retired, then they moved to Japan, where they have been for several years. He finds Japanese taxes somewhat higher than the USA, but, surprisingly, housing and food and utilities are less (they live in a small city an hour from Tokyo).

Doctor visits cost him $4.50, regardless of what is done. Dental and vision care is also $4.50, and prescriptions are a flat $2.50. There is virtually no crime, all the public services (like mail delivery twice/day, 7 days a week), run flawlessly, and everything is spotlessly clean and perfectly maintained.

His son, a capitalist Japanese businessman was a millionaire at age 25.

Of course the Japanese don't have to pay for foolish wars.

We're off to France in two weeks...maybe we'll come back, maybe not. Fantastic food, excellent wine, beautiful women and great grouse hunting, what's not to like?

$4.50 for vision in Japan? Wow, that socialism sucks! I prefer capitalism... I dropped $610 at the eye doctor yesterday. Time to look into vision insurance. :lol:

I envy you... France in the fall. I'm looking forward to some South Dakota pheasant hunting this fall. It will most likely be my Dad's farewell tour this year. He has prostate cancer and it's spread to his lymph nodes. Knock on wood, it's not in his bones yet though. But almost 9 years of fighting it have really taken it's toll on him and I doubt he'll see another fall. Oh well, none of us get out alive I guess.

Like Clint said...

"We all have it coming, Kid."

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Yep Iceland would be great--they must be choosing that on weather-

I see your still running from demographics of these place. Which one of these countries are have gang banger filled ghettos.
Ya think that might have anything to do with-poverty-crime-health-education etc stats. DUH

Is interesting to see items you all choose that makes these areas desirable--all state paid benefits. Not surprising.

We had thread before on retirement in diff countries and main concerns for most (who were actually considering it) and top items were stability of country gov--cost of living/property -taxes and weather.

You guys on other hand have same thing in mind abroad as you do here--no concern for taxes just what gov benefits are available.
Your continuous quest for that golden tit--

The only prob you have is same one you have here--those with no regard for taxes but for every social program known to mandkind--don't have an option of where to live--you are a ward of your nanny state.
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Now per demographics--we'll start with our next door neighbor then proceed to your top spot--anything jump out at ya--

Multiple responses: Counting both single and multiple responses, the most commonly identified ethnic origins were (2006):
<TABLE id=sortable_table_id_2 class="wikitable sortable"><TBODY><TR><TH>Ethnic origin </TH><TH> % </TH><TH>Population </TH><TH>Largest reported ethnic identity </TH></TR><TR><TD>Canadian</TD><TD>32.22%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&000000001006629000000010,066,290</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Quebec (66.2%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>English</TD><TD>21.03%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000065700150000006,570,015</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">British Columbia (32%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>French</TD><TD>18.82%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000049412100000004,941,210</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">New Brunswick (32.6%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Scottish</TD><TD>15.11%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000047198500000004,719,850</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Nova Scotia (29.3%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Irish</TD><TD>13.94%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000043541550000004,354,155</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Nova Scotia (19.9%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>German</TD><TD>10.18%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000031794250000003,179,425</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Saskatchewan (30.0%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Italian</TD><TD>4.63%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000014453350000001,445,335</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ontario (7.0%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Chinese</TD><TD>4.31%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000013465100000001,346,510</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">British Columbia (10.6%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>North American Natives</TD><TD>4.01%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000012536150000001,253,615</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Nunavut (83.6%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ukrainian</TD><TD>3.87%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000012090850000001,209,085</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Alberta (10.2%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Dutch (Netherlands)</TD><TD>3.31%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&00000000010359650000001,035,965</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">British Columbia (5.3%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Polish</TD><TD>3.15%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000984565000000984,565</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Manitoba (7.3%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Indian</TD><TD>3.08%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000962665000000962,665</TD><TD align=left>British Columbia (6.4%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Russian</TD><TD>1.60%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000500600000000500,600</TD><TD align=lefg>Saskatchewan (4.2%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Welsh</TD><TD>1.41%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000440965000000440,965</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">British Columbia (2.6%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Filipino</TD><TD>1.40%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000436190000000436,190</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Manitoba (3.5%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Norwegian</TD><TD>1.38%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000432515000000432,515</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Saskatchewan (7.2%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Portuguese</TD><TD>1.32%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000410850000000410,850</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ontario (2.4%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>M?tis</TD><TD>1.31%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000409065000000409,065</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Manitoba (6.4%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Swedish</TD><TD>1.07%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000334765000000334,765</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Saskatchewan (3.5%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Latin American</TD><TD>1.04%</TD><TD align=right>&0000000000315510000000315,510</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">British Columbia (3.2%)</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hungarian</TD><TD>1.01%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&0000000000315510000000315,510</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ontario</TD></TR><TR><TD>Jewish</TD><TD>1.01%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","315,510</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ontario</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<TABLE style="TEXT-ALIGN: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0.5em 1em; FLOAT: right" class=wikitable><CAPTION>Citizenship of Iceland residents
(1 January 2008)<SUP id=cite_ref-57 class=reference>[57]</SUP>


</CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TD>Iceland</TD><TD>291,942</TD><TD>93.2%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Poland</TD><TD>8,488</TD><TD>2.71%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Lithuania</TD><TD>1,332</TD><TD>0.43%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Germany</TD><TD>984</TD><TD>0.31%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Denmark</TD><TD>966</TD><TD>0.31%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Portugal</TD><TD>890</TD><TD>0.28%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Philippines</TD><TD>743</TD><TD>0.24%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ex-Yugoslavia</TD><TD>651</TD><TD>0.21%</TD></TR><TR><TD>United States</TD><TD>598</TD><TD>0.19%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Thailand</TD><TD>545</TD><TD>0.17%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Latvia</TD><TD>431</TD><TD>0.14%</TD></TR><TR><TD>United Kingdom</TD><TD>420</TD><TD>0.13%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Sweden</TD><TD>407</TD><TD>0.13%</TD></TR><TR><TD>China (PRC)</TD><TD>379</TD><TD>0.12%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ex-Czechoslovakia</TD><TD>365</TD><TD>0.12%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Norway</TD><TD>301</TD><TD>0.10%</TD></TR><TR><TD>others</TD><TD>3,934</TD><TD>1.26%</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Total</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">313,376</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">100%</TH></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Total (<SMALL>excluding Icelanders</SMALL>)</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">21,434</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">6.8








</TH></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Trench]

You guys on other hand have same thing in mind abroad as you do here--no concern for taxes just what gov benefits are available.
Your continuous quest for that golden tit--

The only prob you have is same one you have here--those with no regard for taxes but for every social program known to mandkind--don't have an option of where to live--you are a ward of your nanny state.

I see your still running from demographics of these place. Which one of these countries are have gang banger filled ghettos. Ya think that might have anything to do with-poverty-crime-health-education etc stats. DUH

Duff, I failed to give our countrified friend hid due. He actually has two plays...

1. Paint all liberals as wards of the welfare state.

2. Blame all the ills of society on the darker skinned members of the underclass. There is no poverty, crime, illiteracy, disease, etc. in "white America". It only exists in the "gang banger filled ghettos".

 

[Trench]

Yep Iceland would be great--they must be choosing that on weather-

Sorry to rain on your parade of uniformed opinion here DTB, but due to its location in the Gulf Stream, Iceland has a cool but temperate climate year round.

Certainly, even an under-educated country gent like yourself has heard of the Gulf Stream and it's effect on the climate of the island states of the North Atlantic, no? :shrug:

 

[Lumi]

TRENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to hear about your father.

I hope you guys have a great hunt and bring out a big bag !

Peas....

Send me an email so I can send you a link, please... :toast:

 

[Duff Miver]

Sorry to rain on your parade of uniformed opinion here DTB, but due to its location in the Gulf Stream, Iceland has a cool but temperate climate year round.

Certainly, even an under-educated country gent like yourself has heard of the Gulf Stream and it's effect on the climate of the island states of the North Atlantic, no? :shrug:

Nope, doggie hasn't heard of the Gulf Stream, so he blows smoke about how cold it is in Iceland. Yep, it''s reeeeaallly cold.

Average January Temp, Reykjavic, Iceland = 31F

Average January Temp, Bowling Green, KY = 34F.

LOL!

 

[Lumi]

Nope, doggie hasn't heard of the Gulf Stream, so he blows smoke about how cold it is in Iceland. Yep, it''s reeeeaallly cold.

Average January Temp, Reykjavic, Iceland = 31F

Average January Temp, Bowling Green, KY = 34F.

LOL!

Shit !!!!

If you even doubled those temps, there are very few days that it gets that cool here ! I get so fuggin' tired of the the oppressive heat! :facepalm:

 

[Trench]

Sorry to hear about your father.

I hope you guys have a great hunt and bring out a big bag !

Peas....

Send me an email so I can send you a link, please... :toast:

Thanks Lumi. This year's been pretty hard on the old man. I just hope he has enough stamina to enjoy the hunting this fall. Watching our parents fade is something we all go through sooner or later.

 

[Lumi]

Thanks Lumi. This year's been pretty hard on the old man. I just hope he has enough stamina to enjoy the hunting this fall. Watching our parents fade is something we all go through sooner or later.

That's why I want to send you some "stuff" Trench, good healthcare products. :0074