Bookmakers have opened USC as a 7 point favorite over Penn State. That kind of says a lot right there....
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Well if the argument was you needed to win the conf title game to get in, my final 4 matchups were possible as each were 1 more win away from being in the playoff.
Winning a conference title game is a 13th game and possible differentiation but if the goal is the 4 best teams then Penn state and Wisconsin had no chance unless wash and clem both lost.
If you let vegas rank the teams I'm not sure Penn state makes the top 10
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If Vegas ranked the teams before the conference title games, they had BAMA, LSU, USC, and I think Clemson, Oklahoma, or Michigan(can't remember the 4th team but that was the first 3) as their top 4. That was mentioned on I believe Dan Patricks radio show Friday morning. So I'm not really sure what your point is?
If we strictly took names off the resumes and we showed you Team A(ohio state) and Team B(penn state) resumes and mentioned that Team B won H2H and won the conference, in no other sport or conversation would you ever put team A in. You will never convince me in sports 101 how that even makes sense. I'm sorry but you can't tell me "We think Ohio State is better," is a valid argument for putting them in over Penn St. You know why? That's an opinion. I can show you 2 facts though. Penn State beat Ohio Sate, Penn State won the conference. 2 FACTS that will never change. The NCAA simply made this decision based off money. You're very naive if you think otherwise.
This process honestly is really simple. The committee and all these shows talk all this mumbo jumbo to make it appealing and for more cooler talk. But they change their tone every year to justify their means.
Not so sure about that. I'd bet Wash all day at +4-6 against SC in a rematch. Hard to beat a Pac12 team twice in the same year and SC lost to Utah, Stan and Bama in a blowout. SC beat Colo by 4. Depending on location, it's a PK to 3 points plus or minus at best.....
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USC went to Washington and absolutely dominated Washington. If USC played Colorado again, they'd be a 10+ point favorite no matter where the game is played.
Maybe. One game doesn't make an entire season. SC lost 3 games and to two pretty weak Pac12 teams. Their resume is not that good. I'd still take Wash +6 over SC all day in a rematch.
As far as Penn St and Ohio St go. I totally can see why Ohio St is in and Penn St is out. Penn St lost to Pitt and Mich in a blowout. They barely beat Temple by 7 and Minn by 3. There is no argument in my opinion and I am from nowhere near either school.
Ohio St's resume. They beat Okla on the road. Won at Wisc. Beat Mich. 1 loss to Penn St. They have the better resume in my opinion. Penn St did a nice job coming back against Wiscy after getting manhandled in the first half. Who would give Bama a tougher game. Ohio St.
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So your logic for putting them in is that they would give Alabama a better game?
You say one game doesn't make a season but you're trying to slam Penn State for losing to Michigan big...which happened 3 months ago and who happens to be highly ranked lol. You mention Penn State beating Temple by 7 and Minnesota by 3. Temple won the AAC, and did you not notice that OSU beat the 6-6 Northwestern only by 4 at home. How about needing a goal line 2 point conversion stand to beat the mighty 3-9 Spartans?
FYI Temple is ranked 24th, Pitt 23rd...and that Pitt team just happened to have a win over Clemson, at Clemson.
We can't try to justify OSU by slamming another teams close wins over WAY better teams without at least acknowledging that had the ball not bounced the right direction for OSU(plus horrible officiating) OSU very well could be looking at a 4 loss season.
Ohio St is going to get worked by Clemson. Ohio State has no weapons on offense, their O-Line is very suspect. Their only chance is their stout defense.
Sorry man, but I really don't get why everyone is licking USC's nuts all of a sudden. They beat Wash by 13. Every team has an off night. They played no one really. They beat Colo by 4 at home. They lost 3 games incl 52-6 to Bama. Lost to Stan and Utah. Neither were all that good this year. Don't get what all the love is about. Their other wins? Cal, Ariz, ND, Oreg, UCLA, Utah St. They all sucked. If any team got dominated, it was Colo by Wash in a championship game, 41-10.
Pasadena is not a home game for SC. I'd still take Wash +6 all day against SC. Vegas would not make SC a 6 point favorite against Wash.
We'll see. Better resume wins in my opinion. I hate Ohio St and Meyer with every ounce of my being and not any fan of Penn St either, so I don't have a dog in the fight. But if you made Ohio St a PK against Penn St in a championship game, I'd bet Ohio St all day long and not think twice about it. Could Penn St beat them? Sure, anything is possible, but top to bottom, I think Ohio St is better. As did the committee. End of discussion for me.....
Do away with the Bowl system and have a 64 game playoff like college basketball, problem solved :shrug:
8 teams would work for me
8 teams would work for me
Again, by that metric, Michigan should be in. They lost both of their games on the last play of the game. They could be undefeated.
Quit crying about this, and let Penn State make their argument in the Rose Bowl.
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If you took the names off and got rid of a pre disposition to a conference championship and strictly looked at their resumes team a (Ohio st);gets in every time over team b (Penn st)
Go ahead, compare their season long resumes and wins......its not even close.
Penn state has a better (but still losing) argument over clemson and wash.
This is a good argument for why the the FPC should drop their current format and use the one the FCS has been using for a long time, this way when the regular scheduled season is over with the top 8-12 teams rankings wise, would play each weekend until 2 teams are left, then have a Nat'l Championship, thus eliminating some Bowl games. Conferences could be ranked easily as well as to who plays who, when and where. Of course it all comes down to money for the NCAA!!
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Ohio State beat everybody but a tough Penn State team on their field, at night, because of 2 blocked kicks. They won at Oklahoma, at Wisconsin, beat Nebr by 60 and beat Michigan. You say they have no offensive weapons? That's just plain wrong dude! Ohio State is 9th in the country in scoring offense (Clemson is 12th)...Ohio State is 9th in the country in rushing offense (Clemson not in top 25). Granted Clemson's passing offense is better than Ohio State's, but total offense for both teams are close. On defense Ohio State is 4th in total defense (Clemson is 8th)...in scoring defense Ohio State in also 4th in the country (Clemson is 8th)....pass defense Ohio State is 5th in the country (Clemson is 12th)...rushing defense Ohio State is15th (Clemson is 25th).
All despite playing a tougher schedule. Maybe that is why Ohio State is a 3-point favorite. Both teams are very well coached.....I wouldn't want to face Urban Meyer with a whole month to prepare. I'm not saying one way or another who will win this game and Clemson might very well win this game, but to say "Ohio State will get worked by Clemson" I highly doubt that!
You're crying. Non-stop. Get over it, and move along. Like I said......Let them play the Rose Bowl, and then you can re-evaluate their situation.
As another fan "who has no dog in the fight" I get both sides of the argument.
Personally I don't see any 2 loss team being ahead of a 1 loss team on equal footing.
By equal footing I mean major conference, before all the Western Mich fans come out screaming.
I do believe OSU is a better team (than PSU and Wash) and Vegas would agree but I also get the head to head matchup and conference title position.
Basically under the system we have in place of head to head and conference title don't carry even weight as what the vegas line would be, I think we could save all of the arguing by just putting the top 4 recruiting classes in the final 4 at the beginning of the year and let the rest play it out on the field to see who can get in the remaining New Year's Day bowls.
TD4W nailed 1 thing- The biggest determinate is 💵, nothing else matters.
I'm glad it's all about money, I want to see the best games!
Personally I don't see any 2 loss team being ahead of a 1 loss team on equal footing.
By equal footing I mean major conference, before all the Western Mich fans come out screaming.
I do believe OSU is a better team (than PSU and Wash) and Vegas would agree but I also get the head to head matchup and conference title position.
Basically under the system we have in place of head to head and conference title don't carry even weight as what the vegas line would be, I think we could save all of the arguing by just putting the top 4 recruiting classes in the final 4 at the beginning of the year and let the rest play it out on the field to see who can get in the remaining New Year's Day bowls.
TD4W nailed 1 thing- The biggest determinate is 💵, nothing else matters.
I'm glad it's all about money, I want to see the best games!
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OSUs offense is very limited. They struggled to score against some piss poor defenses. More than happy to place a side bet with you on the Clemson game.
