welcome to Obama's America: sit on your fat ass and collect a check... just make SURE to vote for Obama or his successor next go round or the check might stop coming!
Food stamp cards
- Thread starter SixFive
- Start date
- Apr 10, 2015
- 2,443
- 56
- 0
Last time I checked, Obama was not running for office and his "successor" has yet to be determined.Who knows, he / she might just be a republican.
I'm guessing that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. xstop
Thanks for proving my point so eloquently. You must speak at elemantary school functions rather frequently, good on ya mate!
Hope this helps,
FDC
I wasn't directing it at you or your daughter. How does it affect my life when some one "bucks the system"? Why the fuck should I work 42 hours a week and bust my ass to make ends meet (when i was single) so Jane Smith can sit on her ass and play Xbox all day and get $500 in food stamps and $300 in cash assistance for doing jack shit? I'm not saying your daughter is in that category. I was a single mom. I get no child support because we have an agreement of 50/50 custody. A few years ago I did work a full time job and a part time job and yes I did qualify for both benefits but I wouldn't even consider asking for them. I did with what I had and I pinched my pennies. The people I'm talking about are the ones who know how to twist the system. My mother saw it all the time. It infuriated her. First the Grandma got assistance and then showed her daughter how to do it, and low and behold the 3rd generation was in the same "gimme gimme" line. I know a girl who lived down the street that uses her cash assistance to get cigarettes and tattoos but then complains on facebook that her cell phone ran out of minutes and she has no money til the end of the month and she has no idea how she's going to buy groceries for the last week and a half of the month. There are plenty of jobs available here in town but I have heard people out right say "I won't work for less than $13 an hour". If I didn't have a job I'd be glad to find something that gave me a paycheck every week. High school drop outs think they should get college graduate wages. I agree with Skulnik that there should be limitations like the WIC program. I think everyone who applies and gets approved for benefits should have to be in some kind of program that teaches them budgeting and requires them to "show" they are putting forth an effort in getting off the system. Welfare is not a JOB. Welfare is supposed to be a temporary aid to help you get back on your feet.
(Current programs have been built as short-term rather than as permanent institutions, and many of them have rather short time spans (around five years). Some programs have time frames that reflect available funding.)
*(A good example of this would be the reform of the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program. Per AFDC, some amount per recipient is guaranteed. However, for every dollar the recipient earns the monthly stipend is decreased by an equivalent amount. For most persons, this reduces their incentive to work. This program was replaced by Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF). Under TANF, people were required to actively seek employment while receiving aid and they could only receive aid for a limited amount of time. However, states can choose the amount of resources they will devote to the program.)
Someone who deliberately is not going out and looking for a job and just expects a handout is the type of person I'm talking about.
Sixfive asked for a discussion. I am entitled to my opinion as well as you are. I don't think I have ever jumped down your throat when you have ever stated your opinion in a thread and I didn't agree with it.
I can neither deny nor confirm your charge concerning a legacy of career welfare families. I do not personally know anyone in the habit or situation. I am aware of poverty and homelessness. I'm also aware that some will take advantage of just about any loosely administered situation. Let me ask you this, how many of these "legacy welfarers" can you personally identify? Is there somewhere these hundreds of thousands of people congregate to go over all the best ways to go undetected?
If I asked you to personally identify even twenty people on government assistance, could you? Provided you can, how many of them are cheating the system abs have been for generations?
So you ask me to acquiesce to a notion that nobody I know of, no television personalities, pollsters, journalists, or anyone can actually support or has any real knowledge of. My question is, where did you get your information from, and how do you know if to be true? People have this idea that if they hear it and repeat enough, it must be true. I disagree with that. I'm not saying it can't or doesn't happen. I'm just not willing to indict everyone involved as lazy ne'er do wells.
Bonnie,
I did not jump down your throat. You said 9 out of 10 welfare recipients were cheating the system or something of that nature and you don't even know 10 people on welfare. I simply stated the obvious, it's an absurd statement and wholly false. While I'm sure you weren't directing it at anyone in particular, your statement was certainly all inclusive. The funny thing is yyz and I are discussing generations of welfare mothers passed down like a birthright, much like what you just reiterated and in the same post told of the disdain for welfare recipients passed down to you through your mother. Maybe the generational door swings both ways?
Again, I'm not jumping down your throat at all and I'm sorry you feel that way. I think you're a strong, intelligent woman and excellent mother won I have the utmost respect for. That doesn't mean I can't take issue with something you say. I say shit all the time people don't agree with, doesn't mean I wish them ill.
I have seen both sides of this issue. I had no use for United Way until I visited a battered womens home. These women did not choose to get beat on, and had nada. I was the guy that screamed at the beggars to get a job,,,Now Im the guy who will not donate them money, but go buy them a sandwich and give it to them. I have also seen perfectly healthy people abuse the system and get the 50 cents on the dollar to get their pills. It's a system that is broke, but I am nowhere near smart enough to figure out how to fix it.
The statement I made is not wholly false. So maybe not 9 out of 10 - that is probably exagerated. I could list multiple people that I personally know who are generationally bucking the system. Sprint and I are friends with a very nice couple, let's call them Bob and Mary. They are my age and in fact I knew Bob years ago when we were young. Bobs parents were on welfare. Bob and Mary are on welfare. They have a son, let's call him Carl, who coincidentally is the Store Manager at a local grocery store and makes very good money. He has a girlfriend, lets call her Sue and they have a 2 year old son. Sue lives with her father along with the baby. Carl "lives" with her, but so she can collect the maximum amount of benefits as a single mother, he keeps his address at Bob and Mary's house. Carl also says that's the main reason for them Not to get married. He is proud of the fact that they can "cheat" the sytem as he has stated when we have talked about this. THAT is what I consider bucking the system. They are my friends but I don't agree with what they are doing and maybe that is part of my disdain. They also spare no cost when it comes to taking trips and buying cars etc whenever they feel like it.
People don't have their priorities straight. If I can't afford something I don't buy it. I think the schools need to teach more "life skills" classes. How to manage money etc. Maybe yes anoyher part of my disdain is passed down from my mother and Maybe I'm passing it down to my kids too. I'm already teaching my kids money management and budgeting because I don't ever want to see them struggle and I hope they teach their kids too.
These people are helping their kids do this. That's what upsets me.
Sorry I took it as a personal attack but I do know quite a few people on welfare and a bunch of them are shady to get benefits.
If Sprint used the garage address as his home I could collect cash and food stamps. I fit the guidelines for my household size. Then I could have steak and lobster every night!
People don't have their priorities straight. If I can't afford something I don't buy it. I think the schools need to teach more "life skills" classes. How to manage money etc. Maybe yes anoyher part of my disdain is passed down from my mother and Maybe I'm passing it down to my kids too. I'm already teaching my kids money management and budgeting because I don't ever want to see them struggle and I hope they teach their kids too.
These people are helping their kids do this. That's what upsets me.
Sorry I took it as a personal attack but I do know quite a few people on welfare and a bunch of them are shady to get benefits.
If Sprint used the garage address as his home I could collect cash and food stamps. I fit the guidelines for my household size. Then I could have steak and lobster every night!
I got zero problem with people getting help to get them through rough times or even continuous help for those working and trying to do right while making below x amount(not looking the chart up). I do however have a huge problem with people that get something for absolutely nothing. You want to take from the system then you should be putting something into it, and it doesn't have to be money. What could possibly be wrong with requiring some sort of community service for those receiving these or other benefits that do not have and do not plan on having a job? What percentage of those receiving services fit this group I have no idea, but let's not pretend there is not that group. What could possibly be the downside to requiring something that benefits society in return for what would no longer be a "free meal"?
Bonnie,
That's one couple. One couple out of more than ten million and you're still bit willing to back off the statement of 9 out of 10 other than to say it may be a bit exaggerated? Seriously? So far you know 1 out of 20 million, that's hardly a ringing endorsement about the factual nature of your statement.
My entire and only point I'm trying to make with you is that your statement is ridiculously exaggerated and in fact, you have no real basis in fact to make such a statement other than the couple down the street and what your mother vocalized to you.
It's not 9 of 10 or even 9 of 100. Not even closer. If you have disdain for those on assistance than just say that. "I think people on assistance suck and I'm not sure why". I think that would be more appropriate than feigning compassion for "those who really need it" and then stating 9 out of 10 of them don't need it. I'm sorry, I'm just not a fan of broad statements like you made. I completely understand how you feel and commend you on your awesomeness and high level of self respect. Not everyone has your strength, not everyone has your confidence or even level of education. I'm absolutely positive there are women out there on assistance that would love to achieve your level of independence. Sometimes the situation makes that even harder than you remember it being. I don't think public disdain helps nearly as much as you may think. I would venture to say it probably hurts more than helps.
I always hear about how all those lazy good for nothing people sit around all day and play XBox was it and how their paying for it, yet I've never heard anyone identify how it affects their lives. I guarantee you cannot trace a single cent of your wages finding it's way into the hands of a welfare mother sitting on her couch, smoking, drinking, double breasting a couple of kids while playing XBox
You just can't help yourself, can you. The question of the OP was how do we combat fraudulent use of food stamp cards and you turn it into a debate about how people with their hands out are being put down. Dude I honestly feel sorry for you, some major issues.
BTW, I see this on a daily basis seeing patients who have Medicaid. Many of their very young kids, toddlers, have on $60-70 Air Jordans and the parents leave in a BMW or other high end car. I'd like to say this is isolated but I see it at least 1-2x/day. It doesn't make me angry, it actually makes me quite sad. To qualify for medicaid means life is tough and it also means the parents are wasting $$ on things like the shoes instead of the things their kids really need.
I don't have as much a problem with those who "beat" the system as others, but can easily rattle off a couple dozens in my small town especially since many of them have the same last names. Getting disability is probably the biggest scam. I quell my anger because "corporate " welfare is just as bad if not worst when it comes to where my tax paying dollars go........My biggest complaint is how the system causes more dependency. When you kill a population out of the desire to better themselves, your society doesn't have much hope. The more people who see they can get thru LIFE"S REVOLVING DOOR on someone else's PUSH the worst it is for all of us.
- Mar 19, 2006
- 38,588
- 524
- 113
- 75
fellas always remember...
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!
but I do admire your attempts to do so..
Now this is funny. Yeah saint, it's me that couldn't help myself. Sure thing kettle.
Try reading the thread once in a while.
I know problem solving isn't a core curriculum requirement at the Dentistry, hair care and tire sales college, but to find a solution to any problem, it's generally necessary to properly identify the cause or root. Of every post in this thread only two contain any reference to anything remotely resembling a proposed solution. One of them isn't yours.
Yeah, I just couldn't help myself......good one.
I know several people within my age group on EBT, I will only use that demographic, I will say only 1 isn't bucking the system and that's not the norm but I would say any healthy male not working or trying to get work is bucking the system.
