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So, how many millions of these things are sold in the USA every month for 50% cash ($200 food stamps worth in exchange for $100 cash) or less? I see people using them all the time, and I actually had my eyes even opened wider earlier today. This system is broken and a colossal failure. The recipient's name isn't even on the card, no ID is checked, it pays for cokes, candy and junk, but won't pay for deli food? I'm sure the list goes on and on. Who has further insight. Let's discuss.
 

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My mom used to be a county caseworker and when I was in high school (1995) I worked in the local grocery store. Even way back then the system was corrupt. Back then they had the paper food stamps and they too would be traded with other people. A few months back I took the county caseworker test and you can't imagine the multiple scenarios they had as to who qualifies as living in the household, how much money they have in the bank, savings, retirement, and what money qualifies and doesn't qualify as income. For example, Grandma lives in the household but isn't 70 yet and works part time and has $145 in the bank as savings. They have 3 kids and the wife is on disability. The father works a full time job and has a retirement. According to the guidelines - how many people are considered "residents of the household" and how much of the "family income" can be counted towards the income cap?

I could never be a caseworker I think because my emotions would get involved. I do understand that sometimes people need a little help but all these people you see that sit on their asses and get a handout just kill me because you know they are bucking the system and you can't do a thing about it. I know we don't always know everyone's "story" but you know 9 times out of 10 they are bucking the system.
 

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You have to qualify for this. Paperwork, bank account numbers, etc. They check you out, you just don't get one because you want it.

Bank account? Tons of people (especially those with no money) have no bank account. How can that be a stipulation? Why are the names not on the cards?
 

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You have to qualify for this. Paperwork, bank account numbers, etc. They check you out, you just don't get one because you want it.

I believe that the point of Sixfive's original post is what happens to these cards after they are issued, loaded and ready to go.

When I was a much younger man and in college I worked part time in a grocery store. Back then the food stamp program used booklets of coupons in various denominations. We used to watch in amazement as people would use their food stamps to pay for their groceries then hop over to the office cashier to play $20 or so in lottery tickets.

Also back then, anything less than $1 that was returned to the customer was paid back in change. So it was very common to see a food stamp customer make several daily purchases that would total say $1.05 or $1.09 for example so they could get the max amount back in real money. After a trip or two through the checkout they had successfully acquired enough change to buy a 40 of Colt 45. We were powerless to do much about it back then. I'd like to think that the use of the cards has at least defeated that practice.

And yes, countless times I was offered the opportunity to purchase food stamps at a substantial discount.
 

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I believe that the point of Sixfive's original post is what happens to these cards after they are issued, loaded and ready to go.

When I was a much younger man and in college I worked part time in a grocery store. Back then the food stamp program used booklets of coupons in various denominations. We used to watch in amazement as people would use their food stamps to pay for their groceries then hop over to the office cashier to play $20 or so in lottery tickets.

Also back then, anything less than $1 that was returned ito the customer was paid in change. So it was very common to see a food stamp customer make several daily purchases that would total say $1.05 or $1.09 for example so they could get the max amount back in real money. After a trip or two through the checkout they had successfully acquired enough change to buy a 40 of Colt 45. We were powerless to do much about it back then. I'd like to think that the use of the cards has at least defeated that practice.

And yes, countless times I was offered the opportunity to purchase food stamps at a substantial discount.

It hasn't defeated the practice I don't think.
No name on the card.

Cardholder has the card today, he sells it for cash, and just reports it lost and gets a new one next month. Card buyer now has access to 1/2 price or better food.

Cardholder gets cash and goes to the video poker machine located in the grocery store.

I have a friend at home who buys thousands of dollars worth of food stamps every month. I think the problem night even be worse here!

Is a name on the card and an ID presented some privacy violation? I don't think so. The person had to have identification to get the card, right? Why not an ID then to use it?

Why can the cardholder stock a candy and pop store but can not buy fresh deli food? Mountain Dew and Skittles are a valid purchase but sliced ham or fried chicken isn't?

Who here has more knowledge in this? If somebody needs legit help, I'm all for them getting food stamps (especially if they have children).

From my personal experience, the card seller was 22 and seemed in perfect health. Thanks.
 

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The program NEEDS to have guidelines like WIC.

Items provided[edit]

The food items provided by WIC are juice (single strength), milk, breakfast cereal, cheese, eggs, fruits and vegetables, whole wheat bread, whole grain items including brown rice and tortillas, fish (canned)(for Exclusively Breastfed Mothers), legumes (dry/canned), and peanut butter. The program also provides tofu, soy milk, and medical foods for children and women with various metabolic or other diseases. The food packages provide participant choice and variety. Foods such as tortillas, brown rice, soy-based beverage, canned salmon, and a wide choice of fruits and vegetables provide State agencies flexibility in prescribing culturally appropriate food packages.[13] Organic fruits, vegetables, legumes and grains are covered under WIC while organic milk, cheese, juice, peanut butter and eggs are not covered under the program. Some organic forms of WIC-eligible foods (e.g., milk, eggs, cheese) meet the nutritional requirements set forth in WIC regulations and are therefore authorized. However, WIC State agencies are responsible for determining the brands and types of foods to authorize on their State WIC food lists. Some State agencies may allow organic foods on their foods lists, but this will vary by State. The decision may be influenced by a number of factors such as cost, product distribution within a State, and WIC participant acceptance.[14]
 

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Sixfive, My wife teaches in a very urban part of town where nearly every student's family qualifies for some aid. What I can tell you is that several kids come to school hungry every day and what they receive in free lunches and breakfast is basically their entire nutritional intake on any given weekday.

It's sad and you'll get no argument from me that the entire mess needs a drastic overhaul.
 

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I have a friend at home who buys thousands of dollars worth of food stamps every month. I think the problem night even be worse here!

Six

So it's OK with you that your friend gets a free pass even though he's part of the problem.
 

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Quick question, how exactly do those "9 out of 10 handout seekers bucking the system" (an absurd statement Bonnie) adversely affect your life? Can you point to any single incident where your lifestyle was diminished or hurt by seeing this?
I find it incredibly hypocritical to assume that those on assistance are taking handouts, especially when millions of dollars is paid in child support and maintenance daily to people that misappropriate those funds and use them for their own support, yet we aren't calling them names are we? We don't make outrageous assumptions about their moral make up or ethicacy do we?

As to your question, my daughter is a single mother of twin boys and receives no support as it is tied up in court at present. The father has given her exactly $112.00 for his children in 9 months. She had to drop out of college with a year to go to pick up a second job to supplement her income. Unfortunately, many jobs don't start you off with a living wage. She had to get assistance in the way of food stamps or whatever. She's now "one of those people" with her hands out. Yes, she's one of those lazy, good for nothing, scourges of society that has assistance and a cell phone. A cell phone I pay for, and guess what, she buys a lottery ticket now and again in hopes that maybe her luck will change someday and she won't have to feel people's disgusted stares while she's in line to buy food for herself and two mixed race twin boys. Yep, she's the whole package of everything that makes many cry themselves to sleep at night on the pillows that you can't buy with food stamps. Oddly enough, the same type pillows my grandchildren will soon need but will have to pay cash for. So maybe she goes to the store and purchases some steaks and seafood for someone to pay them back for the pillows they were kind enough to pay in cash for.
Now you may think she's the exception and not the norm. You'd be wrong, but some may think it. One way to help eliminate these issues would be to raise minimum wage to a livable income, but that won't ever happen because everyone thinks they're somehow getting fucked by that notion. People need to be able to look down on the person taking your order, paying them a wage commensurate with their efforts ruins that for many. Some would call for elimination of the program all together because they don't want their hard work benefiting the downtrodden in the way of tax dollars. Of course, most of them are completely ignorant as to how little of their taxes pay for social programs, but ignorance is bliss for many.

There is certainly some graft in all social programs, which would include fraud and such. Oversight and strict adherence to the guidelines set by merchants would most likely eliminate some of it but not all of it. I don't know of any system that is without flaw. I would certainly like to see people be more compassionate and not just assume that the guy having a tall boy after a eight hours of day labor making fifty bucks a day is a piece of shit person.

Maybe I'm different, but a handout to me, is something for nothing. A one term congressman receiving a salary for life paid for with real tax dollars, for instance, is what I would call a handout, but that's just me.


You know, it's kind of weird, back during the birth of this nation, society and community were important, a building block if you will, to the construct of our nation. So important was it to the forefathers of our nation, they wrote it into the constitution and declaration of independence. Nowadays the only time the creators of our nation are important is when someone wants to invoke the second amendment rights. Kind of sad if you ask me.

Hope this helps,
FDC
 
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Bank account? Tons of people (especially those with no money) have no bank account. How can that be a stipulation? Why are the names not on the cards?

They have been trying to get at this issue in WI for a number of years. The problem is, names (or pictures) on cards aren't helpful, as the federal rules say anyone that lives in the household can use the cards - it doesn't have to be the head of household. And it is not uncommon for family members - in many cases multiple family members - to have different last names, due to the presence of different fathers of the children that live in the household. In other cases, friends also live in the same household and my understanding is, they could use the cards too.

That is the primary reason why they don't require ID - it would never work, due to the federal rules on who is allowed to use the cards within the household.
 

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I helped a couple elderly and disabled neighbors get food stamps. Talking with them and their case workers, I learned a bunch about it!

You don't have to have a bank account - it's just that if you do have a bank account, it can't have much cash in it.

Food stamps used to be stamps or paper with dollar amounts printed on them. I had a buddy who bought these cheap in the 90s, had stacks and stacks of them he had hard time using up!

but since then they've moved over to a debit card, known as EBT. This has cut way down on fraud and abuse. It's not as easy to sell part of your benefits, and use of it leaves an electronic audit trail that can be analyzed for abuse.

In Kansas, with their small and conservative government, they micromanage it to the extent that they warned my disabled neighbor not to purchase any more cans of 99 cent smoked oysters on his EBT card! Seafood purchases are frowned on. That was his one indulgence, besided the expensive potato bread - bread which cost $2.99 as opposed to generic 99 cent loaf. He'd rather change the bread he buys, but the case worker said no, tho his proposed change of luxury buying habits is a better tradeoff, unfortunately, the oysters will always show up as problematic "seafood" purchase.

in states like NY or FL, they do good to just find and investigate the conveniece stores stealing $30K EBT cash a month (most only redeem $2-$4K). The customers sell the EBT for 50 cents on the dollar, the store sells them cigs and liquor, rings up as legitimate purchase (also saves on tax). They've caught some clerks taking so much money, they've used the stolen cash to buy thier own convenice store!

the EBT program is run by the states, funded by both them and the Feds. Most states don't have the option of names or picture ID on the card. And it won't help in most cases as the EBT benefits are to the household, as Mags said. About 80% of these households have an elderly, disabled person, or child in it. Anyone in household can use the card, and many of these are "blended" families with kids of one name living with grandma, or siblings with two different dads and two different names - so even using a surname will not work. Also, caregivers can use the card on behalf of the recipient. Thus, states with even pictures and names on cards, usage by others cannot be enforced very efficiently or well.

The main thing to remember is that many of these welfare programs were designed by congress to be jointly funded and run by Sate and Federal. The idea is the more local you make it, the more careful the money spent will be watched over for waste ande abuse. Section 8 housing vouchers are arranged in this mannner too. Thus, any improvement you can casually think up for the system you can bet has been thought and hashed over many many times. I am sure your state legislator has personally been asked about this name and picture on the EBT card probably 2 dozen times this year.

a perfectly healthy fellow out of work and poor qualifies for EBT in most states, for a short specified period of time while he's seeking work.

Some states are starting to specify EBT purchases for only specific products, like the WIC program.
 

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Thanks for all the responses and insight.

Mover, I didn't say my friend was right, but that's what he does.

I guess I see now why the name on the card won't work, but that's the fault of how the system was designed.

Sure seems like a whole lot of waste to me.

Fdc, like I said, I have no problem with people getting assistance that need it. I'm glad it's there for ur family. I'm also surprised with ur stance but in agreement that raising the minimum wage is not the answer.:0008
 

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Thanks for all the responses and insight.

Mover, I didn't say my friend was right, but that's what he does.

I guess I see now why the name on the card won't work, but that's the fault of how the system was designed.

Sure seems like a whole lot of waste to me.

Fdc, like I said, I have no problem with people getting assistance that need it. I'm glad it's there for ur family. I'm also surprised with ur stance but in agreement that raising the minimum wage is not the answer.:0008

I know you don't have a problem with it my man. Thought never crossed my mind.
Just to be clear, I don't support abuse of any social system designed to support the needy, impoverished or elderly. I do support the system itself.
My "opposition", if you will, is with the general public perception of the programs, their recipients, and the apathetic nature of those detractors to even reasonably consider some ways to improve it and administer it.

As you well know, many think recipients of food stamps to be on the take our somehow cheating the system, and laze about all day eating zingers and lobster. I find it sadly ironic that those collecting unemployment and/or assistance are considered to be getting hand outs or get labeled as the entitlement nation, yet the only true entitlements given over to citizens by our government are corporate tax entitlements given over to only the wealthiest one percent of our nation.
I am not as quick as others to dismiss the notion that raising the minimum wage won't help. History clearly shows it to help in the past, why suddenly not now? I'm not saying it will stop abuse, but it will help countless recipients to get off it and messy even free themselves of the diminishing leers from the "good" folks of society.

Please keep in mind Clint that absolutely none of this is directed at you personally. I am only stating my position as they relate to the topic you raised. It's a topic that should be discussed and a solid topic.


Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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You know, it's kind of weird, back during the birth of this nation, society and community were important, a building block if you will, to the construct of our nation. So important was it to the forefathers of our nation, they wrote it into the constitution and declaration of independence. Nowadays the only time the creators of our nation are important is when someone wants to invoke the second amendment rights. Kind of sad if you ask me.

Hope this helps,
FDC




240 years ago, I can only imagine if you didn't pull your weight, you fell by the side of the path. Did your community give you a hand up? I would think that they probably did. If John broke a leg, others might chip in to tend his land. The thing is, John didn't decide, "This is great! These dumb fuckers are working, so I don't have to!" John most likely chipped in when the next guy was down on his luck.

You can't deny that there are plenty of generations in this country who hand down "career welfare" to the next clan. Plenty of people are in the system, and I'll bet "10 of 10" think they actually deserve, or have earned this help.

If someone is using this as a hand up while they struggle to get back on their feet, good for them! That's why it was initiated. But, when it becomes a birthright, or a way of life........we get what Clint is driving at.
 
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My guess is a lot of people just give a "shopping list" to their food stamp friends and pay them % in cash when they return......Probably some even go "shopping" with them and pick out the food...You aren't going to beat these thieves.......Probably should just give them cash on a weekly basis and hope they can make it last for 7 days. They'll borrow from friends and family at the end of the week like people did before all of the government intervention. No overhead and the strong will survive.......Never going to happen but will save a lot of govt bureaucracy :0008
 
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