A bit long, but just what you have been saying -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXCHnWNp10&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXCHnWNp10&feature=youtu.be
For the Ron Paul/Gary Johnson fans
- Thread starter Duff Miver
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I would gladly vote for Ron Paul and Johnson
just saying
no way the power in the US would allow that to happen.
Pawlenty is a new lobbyist
go figure at whats wrong with America
just saying
no way the power in the US would allow that to happen.
Pawlenty is a new lobbyist
go figure at whats wrong with America
It is interesting to me that the Founding Fathers saw fit to create three branches of govt, each serving as a check/balance on the others yet we only have 2 political parties.
The two parties conspire to maintain the status quo...it's a closed shop.
We are probably still many years away from a change but, I think people go through a period of apathy (they don't vote) and now we are in a period of extreme partisanship but, the "fringe" groups will continue to grow and move to the mainstream for change.
The debt, lack of leadership, loss of jobs/home values will all drive the movement.
I think we need to get term limits first but, back to the first sentence, the people in charge of making that change are the career politician we elected.
Voting for The Obama or Romney doesn't help anything. If you are not in a swing state or a swing county, it doesn't matter.
If you vote for a third party, you join others in building momentum against the status quo.
We are probably still many years away from a change but, I think people go through a period of apathy (they don't vote) and now we are in a period of extreme partisanship but, the "fringe" groups will continue to grow and move to the mainstream for change.
The debt, lack of leadership, loss of jobs/home values will all drive the movement.
I think we need to get term limits first but, back to the first sentence, the people in charge of making that change are the career politician we elected.
Voting for The Obama or Romney doesn't help anything. If you are not in a swing state or a swing county, it doesn't matter.
If you vote for a third party, you join others in building momentum against the status quo.
Folks have been voting for third parties - Green, Liberty, Communist, Constitution, Libertarian, etc for a hundred years. Results? Zero.
The last time a third party had a real chance was 100 years ago with the Bull Moose party. And why? Because they had a great man as their candidate.
Third parties cannot and will not amount to a fart in a gale until they put forth a proven leader.
Putting up some crotchety old codger from Texas, or governor of an insignificant state will not get votes.
Let a third party nominate someone of national reputation, then maybe.
Get Colin Powell, or Chris Christie, or Michael Bloomberg, or Bill Gates or Warren Buffet to run, then you'll have something to motivate people.
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Exactly and people have finally woke up to Paul and the "lets end regulations for everything" gig. A perfect heaven for criminals. Voting for a third party with a guy who doesn't get into the debates is a colossal waste. You are not proving shit. You are just wasting a vote. I have been there and done that with Nadar. Yeah i felt so proud and then when the smoke clears u realize what a waste it is. Another point on Paul is look at his nitwit son. I know he isn't Paul but just another Republican puppet unlike his father. If Gary Johnson can not find a way onto those debates than to me he isn't fit to run this country. Perot found a way and deserved a shot.
There is no chance unless the third party gets in the debates. You can use Ross Perot as an example all you want but one dude doesn't represent the entire movement.....unless you are arguing against it.
I don't know why they can't set it up so 3rd party candidates have their own debates/primaries until one candidate emerges (through the primary system). Let that person in the presidential debates and things would get very interesting, very fast. Financially, nobody involved (currently) wins from that scenario, so the media continues the BS dog and pony show all the suckers eat up.
I don't know why they can't set it up so 3rd party candidates have their own debates/primaries until one candidate emerges (through the primary system). Let that person in the presidential debates and things would get very interesting, very fast. Financially, nobody involved (currently) wins from that scenario, so the media continues the BS dog and pony show all the suckers eat up.
This is what i mean nuts. If Gary Johnson is so great and so hungry he should be able to find a way to either get on the debates or like you said buy some time with others and have their own and forced the other parties hand. Like Duff said tho you need a big big name to run for third party. Perot just wasn't big enuf but he did pretty well and would have prolly done a lot better if he didn't go nuts leading up to it with dropping out.
Its about money. If you don't have the backing to put yourself on TV all the fucking time, you fade into the ether. The system is set up this way....completely fucked. The two guys in the running are talking about cutting expenses and all that shit, then they both take 75 million to fund their respective conventions. How many fucking entitlement programs would that support? What a GD joke.
After Perot nut rolled Clinton and Bush in 92, congress took control of the debates.
More explained here: The 15 Percent Barrier
WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD DEMAND INCLUSION OF LEGITIMATE CANDIDATES
1992 Debates
1996 Debates
WE THE PEOPLE, DEMAND IT ! RISE UP ARE YOU A SLAVE !
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Sponge...after Perot, the two parties colluded and now you have to be polling at 15% and/or get 15% of the vote in the previous election to be "invited" to the debates.
You can't get the 15% unless you are in the debates.
It isn't up to the candidate to "figure out a way." The deck is stacked.
You can't get the 15% unless you are in the debates.
It isn't up to the candidate to "figure out a way." The deck is stacked.
Exactly. You can be a great candidate and want it more than anyone ever has, but if you can't get constant high level exposure, you've got no chance. If people would STOP thinking it was wasting their vote and go that route, this dude would have a chance. Anyone who thinks their one vote means anything when it is applied to the two major parties is not thinking clearly.
The problem with a tyird party is that we actually need a 3rd and 4th party. Then we have other problems. Take the Tea Party. They got over run by conservative republicans. In any case the party would have to take years to organize. And who is to say that it won't be full of the same people that are running things now?
Different polls I look at show Johnson polling at 6%.
I think that is high but what do I know.
He has his best month of fundraising last month at pulled in a whopping $376,000.
Compared to Romney and Obama raking in tens of millions.
Because Johnson applied for matching election funds, they FEC will kick in an additional $75k.
Gary Johnson is Hosting another AMA on Reddit!
Due to popular demand, Gov. Johnson will host his third AMA on Reddit this Wednesday, September 26th at 11:00 am EDT!
Reddit.com is a popular social news website where users submit articles, images, and other content. Other users then vote the submission "up" or "down", which is used to rank the post and determine its position on the site's pages and front page.
A popular feature on Reddit is "IAmA" ("I am a... ") and "AMA" ("ask me anything"). Celebrities, politicians, and other notable people - such as President Obama, Jimmy Kimmel, Ron Paul, Stephen Colbert, and Neil Degrasse Tyson - answer questions from the Reddit community during the AMA. Gov. Johnson hosted an AMA a few weeks ago, and received nearly 10,000 questions!
More information on Gov. Johnson's AMA will be available on September 26th at http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA.
Johnson is on the ballot in 47 states and is fighting legal action from the RNC to keep his name on the ballot in the other 3 states.
I think that is high but what do I know.
He has his best month of fundraising last month at pulled in a whopping $376,000.
Compared to Romney and Obama raking in tens of millions.
Because Johnson applied for matching election funds, they FEC will kick in an additional $75k.
Gary Johnson is Hosting another AMA on Reddit!
Due to popular demand, Gov. Johnson will host his third AMA on Reddit this Wednesday, September 26th at 11:00 am EDT!
Reddit.com is a popular social news website where users submit articles, images, and other content. Other users then vote the submission "up" or "down", which is used to rank the post and determine its position on the site's pages and front page.
A popular feature on Reddit is "IAmA" ("I am a... ") and "AMA" ("ask me anything"). Celebrities, politicians, and other notable people - such as President Obama, Jimmy Kimmel, Ron Paul, Stephen Colbert, and Neil Degrasse Tyson - answer questions from the Reddit community during the AMA. Gov. Johnson hosted an AMA a few weeks ago, and received nearly 10,000 questions!
More information on Gov. Johnson's AMA will be available on September 26th at http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA.
Johnson is on the ballot in 47 states and is fighting legal action from the RNC to keep his name on the ballot in the other 3 states.
I'd like to see Johnson get a chance to debate Obama and Romney. Let's see how his ideas stand up to close scrutiny and how people react.
Right now, you can ask almost any voter, and the response will be: "Huh? Gary Who"?
It takes extensive exposure, and that takes money. And it takes someone with a national reputation to raise that kind of money unless he is personally rich, ala Perot (or Gates, Buffet, Bloomberg).
It can be done. A candidate can start with nothing and get there. Obama or Clinton for example.
It's damned hard, nasty work. You've got to kiss a lot of ass.
Sure, it would be nice if candidates could just put forward their plans and get exposure, but it doesn't happen. Johnson seems like a good guy to me, and he should get a shot, but, right now, he's still Gary Who?
The only real answer is public financing, no private money allowed. That won't happen until half the justices on the Supreme Court are taking dirt naps.
Right now, you can ask almost any voter, and the response will be: "Huh? Gary Who"?
It takes extensive exposure, and that takes money. And it takes someone with a national reputation to raise that kind of money unless he is personally rich, ala Perot (or Gates, Buffet, Bloomberg).
It can be done. A candidate can start with nothing and get there. Obama or Clinton for example.
It's damned hard, nasty work. You've got to kiss a lot of ass.
Sure, it would be nice if candidates could just put forward their plans and get exposure, but it doesn't happen. Johnson seems like a good guy to me, and he should get a shot, but, right now, he's still Gary Who?
The only real answer is public financing, no private money allowed. That won't happen until half the justices on the Supreme Court are taking dirt naps.
The problem with the Tea Party is twofold:
1. They never had a platform.
2. They never had a credible leader.
In the end, they're just a bunch of angry folks with no common bond other than their anger.
another lie.
You intentionally neglect the fact that the Tea Party was making noise in 2007.
www.startpage.com : Ron Paul Tea Party 2007
Oh really?
Then tell us who is the recognized leader of the Tea Party. Michele Bachmann? Jim DeMint, Ron Paul. Huey Wanko?
provide a link.
And tell us what is the platform of the Tea Party. What are their positions on International relations, environmental protection, free public schools, Medicare, SS.
What is their plan to increase employment? The military budget?
provide a link for that too.
They're indeed an angry crowd, see for yourself -
Again,
you only reference the Fawks Nooose Tea Party.
You intentionally distort the facts:
A tactic that is used by your kind
you only reference the Fawks Nooose Tea Party.
You intentionally distort the facts:
A tactic that is used by your kind
