For this guy-anything's better than going back to Iraq

[gardenweasel]

i`m not trying to be a smartass....i`m just asking the question...seriously.....

because,i certainly don`t have the answer....

i don`t know what to do.....

obviously,if there are unverifiable treaties(n korea),than it`s all lip service....

and certainly,we can`t depose every dictator...occupy every country.....

we certainly can`t expect any help from the corrupt u.n. or most of europe.....

so,what can we do...just let nature take it`s course?..... and hope that nothing happens?....wait for the next catastrophe?.....maybe ww3?....

lord,we don`t even have the political will in this country to protect our own borders....

i have no idea....

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Gardenweasel:

Thank you for the kind words.

I also agree with your statement in the post immediately above this response that you are not trying to be a smartass. I believe that comes naturally to you.

For one who accuses me and other members of my profession as individuals who twist words, you do a pretty fine job of it yourself, pumpkin. I never said the insurgents/freedom fighters were good guys. I was merely trying to get those of you with a, shall we say, more limited perspective of the world, to see other possible reasons for Iraqi response to our invasion other than they just hate Americans.

Maybe one day you will understand that there are other perspectives on the world other than your own. However, I'm not holding my breath. Guys like you, Freeze and Dogs seem to have a great deal of trouble seeing the world as grey.

I know its comforting to see things as right/wrong, black/white, cats/dogs and over/under. Unfortuneately, most things are grey. For instance, your argument that our invasion of Iraq was justified because Sadamm was evil and should go.

You know weasel (by the way is that a rodent?) I'll just bet that if we go back in the archives, oh say, about 1 1/2 years, we could find some posts by you stating that the basis for our invasion of a soverign country was because they were violating UN orders (oh yeah, those UN orders that we deemed inviolate) and because Mr. Hussein was a threat to the security of the USA due to his stockpiling of weapons of mass destruction.

But alas, you and the rest of the loyalists on board here had to change their tune when our reasons for invading another soverign country did not materialize. Now, were the good guys. Like I said in another well reasoned post some time ago, I hope you all start packing for Darfur.

We invaded Iraq to protect American oil interests and to stimulate are somewhat stagnant economy. I mean we all know a little ole war is good for the good old American dollar. Plus we have Jesus guiding our mentally challenged leader. What more can one ask for this holiday season.

Frankly as the good Amercan you portend to be, aren't you somewhat appalled that the murderer of 3000 people in the world trade center is still sending us little love tapes? Amazing how little it takes to sway you loyalists. I mean Carl Rove attachs a little mom, apple pie, Chevrolet, and Jesus to a message and you guys buy it hook, line and sinker.

The bottom line, my loyalist friend, is that the USA invaded another country who did not pose a threat to the security of this country. The reasons for doing so were economic. As a result, there are between 20,000 and 100,000 dead people. Do the economic reasons for invasion justify these deaths.

Apparently you think so. I do not. Your changing justifications for these deaths depending on what way the wind blows (reasons by George) is transparent and displays a fundamentally flawed logic and reaoning ability of your part.

With that I wish you a very Merry Christmas and hope that the New Year brings you a an expanded ability to see other perspectives. Unfortuneately, I don't think you have the ability to leave your comfort zone.

Ho ho ho,
Eddie

 

[dr. freeze]

weasel you need to get in the mainstream like Kosar, Haskill, and other liberals who are completely out of touch with 95% of the geographic United States

 

[smurphy]

weasel you need to get in the mainstream like Kosar, Haskill, and other liberals who are completely out of touch with 95% of the geographic United States

liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal

how does 5% come out to 55 million?

 

[kosar]

weasel you need to get in the mainstream like Kosar, Haskill, and other liberals who are completely out of touch with 95% of the geographic United States

Yes, Freeze. Didn't you once say that a family of 4 can live comfortably on 15,000/year? Who's out of touch?

 

[MrChristo]

weasel you need to get in the mainstream like Kosar, Haskill, and other liberals who are completely out of touch with 95% of the geographic United States

Yep...That is one of the silliest statements I've yet seen on this board.


Plus we have Jesus guiding our mentally challenged leader.

:142lmao: :clap: :142lmao:

 

[kosar]

Yep...That is one of the silliest statements I've yet seen on this board.

By most standards, yes. However, that's about 92nd on the 'Freeze's silliest comments' list.

 

[gardenweasel]

merry christmas,edward

the basis for going into iraq ,"publicly",was because saddam did not cooperate with u.n. mandates to let inspectors determine the status of his weapons and weapons programs...very strange considering it is now publicly proclaimed that he had nothing...very strange behavior considering the price that he ultimately paid....to bluff the rest of the middle east?....sounds a bit "dodgy",to quote a british friend...

of course,with the corruption that we now know was rife in the u.n.,the guy could have had a boatload full of multi-warhead laden missiles and they never would have been discovered....with saddam blocking the inspectors when he felt it was in his best interests....he just didn`t cooperate....and again,the u.n. didn`t really care...as long as the big dogs kept collecting...

if he`d done as south africa had done under similar circumstances,we wouldn`t be having this discussion...

underlying reasons,imo,that were also major factors in the decision to remove saddam were the safety of israel,the stability of the middle east,and the oil....

obviously,the issues of middle eastern stability(israel) and "the oil",aren`t politically correct enough for public consumption to many segments of our society...and the rest of the world...

not being jewish,but understanding the power of the jewish lobby in this country,it`s not hard to understand why we are governmentally pro-israeli..and of course,israel is a democracy.....and knowing what a full blown arab/israeli conflict could do to the region....and our oil dependent economy....well,even you should be able to do the math....

not to mention that israel has done some of the dirty work to help keep the region relatively stable from the saddam`s of the world(i.e. the osirak reactor).....we probably would have had to visit this issue 10 or so years earlier had they not done the region a favor...

.he could care less about his people suffering from trade embargos and the like...he found his way around all this with the help of our european allies at the u.n......

back to the point...the guy was the most unstable entity in the middle east....a middle east that has it`s moderate allies like jordan and egypt.....he was the one that was continually causing serious trouble...

little things like invasions...lobbing missiles into countries doing nothing more than sitting on their hands....attempting assasination of u.s. presidents...

again....

continually trying to procure wmd materials and technology.......unwillingness to provide proof that chemical and biological stockpiles were destroyed...unwillingness to comply with u.n. mandates...regardless of how bogus u.n. action may have been...as we now know, they were in the bag...

the willingness to invade his neighbors....to try and consolidate his power and control over the oil in the region...

willingness to try and assasinate a sitting u.s. president...

the willingness to gas,murder and oppress his own people...

the willingness and predilection to try and instigate a full scale arab/israeli conflict.......by lobbing scuds into israel after being removed forcibly from kuwait......who`s oil fields he tried to destroy...with wmd`s,he`d either still have kuwait....or,israel and the middle east might no longer exist as we know it....

publicly paying the families of suicide bombers..

even the hardcore have to admit that,collectively, this is quite a track record....

as i have tried to explain,clownselor,i don`t necessarily agree with the invasion and the occupation..the ramifications of which have been grossly underestimated...and mishandled....



no,i`ll be even more clear......i don`t agree with what was done.....

i just don`t know all the answers....as you obviously do...


but, i do think that you`d have to blind to not at least recognize some of the rationale for what was done..even the obvious reasons that couldn`t be presented for public consumption.....that`s why i`ve attempted to enlighten you...

the fact that you refuse,once again, to look at all sides of the issue,is about as surprising as the court documents confirming that liberace was gay...(a legal analogy,to make the issue easier for you to comprehend)...



considering leaving this issue,or any issue concerning the best interests of this country,in the hands of the u.n....or any international body or collective,is not a good idea...

nix the merry xmas,eddie,.....i should probably just say "happy holidays"...i don`t mean to offend....

 

[djv]

He didn't really say folks can live on 15000 a year comfortably. Tell me it's not true. Unless he was thinking 5 years back when things were dirt cheap. Even then it would have been luck.

 

[kosar]

He didn't really say folks can live on 15000 a year comfortably. Tell me it's not true. Unless he was thinking 5 years back when things were dirt cheap. Even then it would have been luck.

Yes, he did. It was just a couple years ago and he was on one of his little rants about poor people and the 'breaks' those people who live below the poverty line get.

 

[djv]

Nut's! As someone else said about 60 years ago.

 

[dr. freeze]

well my family lived on it and we had a pretty good life genius

15K and we lived well

probably cant take that to midtown manhattan but people live on that salary all across america and dont need to be victimized

 

[dr. freeze]

95% of the GEOGRAPHICAL United States

obviously some of you get confused rather easily

take a look at the red vs. blue breakdown by county across our great land and you will immediately come to your senses

 

[MrChristo]

95% of the GEOGRAPHICAL United States

obviously some of you get confused rather easily

take a look at the red vs. blue breakdown by county across our great land and you will immediately come to your senses

I've seen the red v. blue breakdown based on IQ, does that count?

Seriously, I love this logic. I can now quite safely and honestly say that I am more intellegent, better looking and richer than 95% of geographical Australia!! Brilliant!! :clap:

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Weazie:

It's interesting how you know what goes on in the minds of Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld. You state with certainty the "public" reasons for this invasion. I find it quite interesting (and not at all surprising) that in paragraph one of your drivel you talk about violation of UN mandates as the basis for invasion then in paragraph two you talk about UN corruption. You are being a good little loyalist.

Israel, stablize middle east and oil. Can't say I disagree with you. I could probably add a few more reasons why this most corrupt administration invaded another country like energize US economy, create new markets for US corporations, and pick an identifiable, beatable and profitable target to rally the troops and unite the citizenry (thereby guaranteeing re-election) as opposed to an elusive, non-profitable, and probably unbeatable target.

I hope the lives of between 20,000 and 100,000 people was worth it. I don't think so. I hope the adminsitrations diversionary policy of starting the Iraq war as our response to terrorism was worth it. I don't think so. I give Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld credit though, because they have conned the majority of Americans into believing that the invasion of Iraq is related to the 9-11 attack.

Osama Bin Laden is alive and well and laughing at the inablility of this country to bring him to justice. Kinda reminds me of Kahn in Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn when he says to Captain Kirk something like "with my last breath I kill you..." as he detonates the the Genesis device (sorry I just watched that last saturday).

It's funny how you demonize Hussein as if this guy was the first dictator to do nasty stuff. Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Serbia, hell, how bout Cuba. You see, Weaz, you can't pick and choose the bad guys you want to get rid off. Otherwise we become the world policeman. If we could reduce this murderous invasion to that level, I think the US could be rightfully accused of selective enforcement.

Back on point, if you accept the fact that you, Freeze and Wayne have an alter ego somewhere in Fallujah or Baghdad (or in Wayne's case Bowling Baghdad) that could take each one of your points above and simply replace the name "Hussein" with "Bush" then I would be satisfied that you have some ability to grow and learn.

I'm sure that on some website that is popular with the degenerative gamblers in Iraq (I think its called MadAchmeds) there are people who can provide legitimate and reasoned rationale for taking out the Bush administration as you and the rest of the loyalists have ad nauseum stated about the Hussein administration.

I also agree with your statement that you do not have all the answers. I concur with your conclusion that I do. I further appreciate your attempt to enlighten me much in the same way as after I listen to a half hour of talk radio. Reading your posts I always come away feeling dumber. You see I do understand the loyalist position. I just have a very hard time accepting that the reasons for this invasion was worth the horrible loss of life.

And Osama continues on to celebrate another Ramadan.

All kidding aside, I do in fact wish you a Merry Christmas. God, I miss Bill Moyers.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

A little note on comparisons of Christians and other religions vs Muslim--while we are considered the "infidels" kidnapping-beheading-- throats cut are standard operating procedures on civilians trying to help but let the Muslims have major catastrophe and who climbs on bandwagon to help??
--any debate???????????



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