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I would like to see Ann Coulter get the nomination who better to replace the first woman ;-)
 

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It will be interesting to see how the Corporate Press plays it up the first time a pretty, blonde, blue eyed, 18 year old girl dies having an illegal abortion.

Holy Crap, the neo-socalists defense of abortion is ridiculous. We all know that abortion is a birth control method. The 0.0002% of other cases are the only different.

And I am NOT for outlawing abortion, necessarily. It's not a Constitutional issue.
 

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none of the extremes have a sense of humor, that may be part of the problem. ...hey, we will all look back at this life from whatever post-life destination (if south park is right, it will be hell for everyone but the mormons) and laugh.

i'll gladly swap out ted kennedy for a comic. ....as long as it's not that annoying gallagher guy. smashing watermelons is sssoooo 1983.
 

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Yeah, and Freeze is just a barrel of laughs. :rolleyes:

lmao and kosar is the guy who takes loves to take endless personal shots at people he doesnt even know

what a delightful, secure character trait that is

thats okay though, people who are filled with hate for one reason or another are to be pitied

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Freeze logic: You get raped, tough $hit, you'll just have to go through a childbirth because a rapist chose to brutally attack you and you got pregnant.

Maybe we could just blame the woman instead of the rapist, and forget about personal rights and rules of conduct for citizens.

Maybe the rapist can sue for custody and child support payments while he is getting screwed by the system for not being allowed the right to freely procreate with whoever he chooses....
 

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Freeze logic: You get raped, tough $hit, you'll just have to go through a childbirth because a rapist chose to brutally attack you and you got pregnant.

Maybe we could just blame the woman instead of the rapist, and forget about personal rights and rules of conduct for citizens.

Maybe the rapist can sue for custody and child support payments while he is getting screwed by the system for not being allowed the right to freely procreate with whoever he chooses....

maybe if you could read you would realize that you do not take into consideration any implications whatsoever of your plan to ignore the consequences of killing a child and what that effect may have to the mother 5-10-20 years down the road when she finds out what she actually did

and you also offer no plan on educating the woman about options abailable to them medically if a rape were to occur...this mysteriously is missing from all pro-killing babies agenda as neither medical options available to women nor full disclosure of the abortion procedure is presented nor advocated by the left fasciist pro death groups

nah, i recommend that after your horrible proposed scenario, the rapist be castrated and executed (liberal logic for the offender of course would rather try to slap his wrists); the mom be given immediate antibiotics/antivirals/birth control/counseling and be encouraged to deal with all her hurt,pain, immediately so that she will not suffer with an STD which could mess up her reproductive life permanently (again the liberal would like to assume/encourage she doesnt seek help for a while and thus does not see to want her to get immediate help)

she also can prevent conception/implantation ever taking place if this is her wish. for some reason you leftists want these options stricken from the debate and would rather promote her to carry the baby for a while and kill it

i dont get it at all. this atrocity should not go on any longer. i have seen all i need to see in the event of miscarriages and those are sad enough. i cannot believe that any society would actually promote the option of killing such a person
 

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Freeze....your stance has made it clear that you support informing a woman of her options, but at the same time you take away the option of abortion, claiming that the unborn rape baby has more rights than the adult giving birth who was brutally forced to go down that road...so really the woman has no choice in your world but to suffer the indignity of having to give birth to a rapist's child.....

I suppose if the woman is at risk of death giving birth to the rapist's baby then it's "tough $hit" once again for unlucky woman who got her clothes ripped off and a dick shoved down her vagina.......somehow crime victims just have to accept the position they are in and have no adult rights or no control in determining thier own destiny or regaining control of thier own lives?
 

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again, you do not consider giving the woman contraception and medical help

if this is such a big issue, then why is planned parenthood, NOW, etc. etc. not putting their MILLIONS of government $$ into EDUCATION about this? isn't this the best option for everyone?

you can prevent contraception and prevent implantation within TEN to TWELVE days of the rape

but educating the public about these options is nonexistent

everyone has rights, but rights do not extend towards harming/stripping away other peoples rights. I do not have the right to rob your house, take your life, and neither does any woman to take the life of a child.
 

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wasn't this debate on a bad late 80's movie with kurt cameron and that girl from square pegs? ....i think they ended up agreeing with dr. freeze in that one.
 

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Personally, I'm pro-life under any circumstance. I think you either have to be pro-life always, or pro-abortion (I don't like the term pro-choice, I think that's too easy). No exceptions allowed. Yea or nay.

HOWEVER, I'm not so sure that I would be for repealing Roe v Wade. This is a tough issue for sure.
 

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wasn't this debate on a bad late 80's movie with kurt cameron and that girl from square pegs? ....i think they ended up agreeing with dr. freeze in that one.

Kirk Cameron was great on Growing Pains as Mike Seaver. I also liked his friends 'Boner' and 'Stinky Sullivan.'

Saw a good Saved By The Bell this morning. It was the one where Jessies brother is visiting and everybody hates him until the very end when he saves Slater and Zach's ass by reassembling Mr. Beldens new car that they had torn up. And Screech got put in that tower of tires and couldn't get out.
 

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Screech is the greatest human being of our time.

I liked the episode where they went to college and Slater got in touch with his Latin roots. They revealed his real name was 'Sanchez'. He couldn't hang out with blue-eyed devil Zach until the end when he was reminded that friendship goes beyond ethnicity.
 

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Yes, Screech is great. I was at a club in Fort Lauderdale about 7 years ago when Dustin Diamond showed up and got out on the dance floor, shakin' it. He is much uglier in person than on TV(if that's possible), but of course he had a hottie on his arm. It was one of the greatest moments of my life.

Anyways, yes, that episode you referred to is very instructional and took teaching a lesson to a new level.

Well, except for the one where Zach's parents went to see Peter, Paul and Mary. His mom walked in the door whistling 'Puff the Magic Dragon.' Then she played the answering machine. Seems that the gang was underage and went to a club. Zach's college age girlfriend left him a message saying to meet her at the club. Zach was supposed to have been staying at Slaters house.

His mom went down there and embarrassed him in front of everybody. It was a cautionary tale involving underage drinking.

That was the same one that Kelly caught her great new boyfiend dancing and kissing with somebody else. He had told her he couldn't go out that night. The gang had all warned her about this guy, but she just wouldn't listen. Another lesson learned.
 

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i've seen plenty of dumbass celebrities between here and la, but never the crown jewel sighting that is dustin diamond. ....lucky!

sounds as if you've humbly absorbed the lessons of saved by the bell. were it not for what's her names softcore porn "showgirls" right after leaving the show, disillusioning my moral education from it - i too would still fully embrace it's life teachings. ...but perhaps i should look at the journey into porn as yet another teaching.
 

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Correct. I consider myself extremely lucky to have been in the presence of greatness.

While the journey into porn can teach lessons and also offer a satisfying release from everyday stress, few things offer what Saved By The Bell does. Yes, I was monentarily taken aback also when Elizabeth Berkely did 'showgirls,' but I eventually accepted it as a fluke and chalked it up to her being so saddened when they canceled SBTB that she would take on any project. It was beneath her, as she is a great talent, but these things happen.

How about that one where they caught that teen rock star smoking pot in the bathroom?. The irony was dripping, since the rock star was there on a 'just say no' campaign. Then at the end the NBC president, Brandon Tartikoff joined the gang and they all gave a joint statement on how drugs are bad. That was something else.

Speaking of Brandon's and drugs, remember when Brandon on 90210 had his drink spiked with ecstasy by his girlfriend at the club and he was really out of it? Man, she shouldn't have done that.
 

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People die from spiked drinks. It's a very serious matter. I hope Brandon's girlfriend was punished. 90210's lessons were sometimes more buried than SBTB though - or at least not always revealed until later episodes. The Bell provided solid closure every time, and I appreciated that.

"Joint" statement about drugs. That's funny and ironic all by itself.

Excellent point about Elizabeth Berkely. I hope none of her judgement errors ever resulted in an abortion.
 

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Brandons girlfriend, Emily, was not punished, but Brandon broke up with her and she left the show shortly thereafter. But wait, that's not the end of that story. A few seasons later, Brandon took a trip by himself to San Francisco to 'clear his head' regarding his current drama, whatever it was.

Well, he was riding on a cable car and he ran into Emily! She had moved there! They spent a few blissful nights together and went back and forth on whether they should get together. Ultimately, they didn't because neither one wanted to move.

It's true that you don't get lessons as fast on 90210, but usually the story arc only spans 3 or 4 shows and you can feel the tension building. Sometimes I like that better.

Well, there was that one long story line where Dylan's moms boyfriend conned Dylan out of all that money and fled to Mexico, also basically stealing Dylan's sister. Dylan and Valerie went down there and eventually tracked him down. That one lasted a while.


Excellent point about Elizabeth Berkely. I hope none of her judgement errors ever resulted in an abortion.


And of course, that's how all this other stuff ties into the topic of abortion. It's not just fluff. The question being: Should Elizabeth Berkely have the right to have an abortion. And for how long into her pregnancy?
 
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