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if 4*= 3000 then it is above that i have said i dont play odds to much lay an amount and what evry it pays is what it is,this is a cash play,for you i have no problem explaining my friend
and i mean that,
BUT I WILLNOT GO INTO THIS ANYMORE THIS YEAR I AM ALREADY ON A SHORT FUSE.
BUT I WILLNOT GO INTO THIS ANYMORE THIS YEAR I AM ALREADY ON A SHORT FUSE.
Originally posted by fletcher:
if 4*= 3000 then it is above that i have said i dont play odds to much lay an amount and what evry it pays is what it is,this is a cash play,for you i have no problem explaining my friendand i mean that,
BUT I WILLNOT GO INTO THIS ANYMORE THIS YEAR I AM ALREADY ON A SHORT FUSE.
Yeah I can tell you are on a short fuse about this.
Quick question though, what should I bet per play based on your system?
had mri at 530 am just waiting to here back,i am sure if they say they have to cut i will go see 2-3 more dr's at 39 i am not going to get my back cut open.
if thats the case would'nt you want to have some input from a couple other dr's?
thanks.
if thats the case would'nt you want to have some input from a couple other dr's?
thanks.
Hope you get to feeling better. Hang in there, back pain is awful. Last resort to cut, get a couple of more opinions.
Fletch,
My pops a Chiro - have 2 herniated disks (L5, S1)...had 'em for 15 years - still play softball twice a week - get pain time-to-time - but manageable - check into chiropractic - much better alternative than seeing MD - all MD's want to do is cut....also look into epidural shots - basically it is cortisone in the spinal area - it can also really help.. give me a call sometime at home if you want details on some of the stuff I've tried, and what has worked...
Take it easy,
Mags
My pops a Chiro - have 2 herniated disks (L5, S1)...had 'em for 15 years - still play softball twice a week - get pain time-to-time - but manageable - check into chiropractic - much better alternative than seeing MD - all MD's want to do is cut....also look into epidural shots - basically it is cortisone in the spinal area - it can also really help.. give me a call sometime at home if you want details on some of the stuff I've tried, and what has worked...
Take it easy,
Mags
Probably want at least second, or yes even a third opinion for back surgery. Not sure if it's back (more serious) or shoulder but never wrong in getting another opinion. Never can tell when the guy's just trying to make his next Jag payment if you know what I mean. BTW I'm a primary care doc. Not my specialty, just making a generalization. Feel free to get my email if I can help any.
have had 2 severe cervical strains to my neck which has put me on permanent disability for 15 yrs. have to take pills before pain starts or i go nuts w/pain. get the best medical opinions available fletch/ and cutting is last option/ they never recommended any surgery for my neck!! watch pills/ you and i are in the same boat on this /god bless wish you the best fletch!
i know shoe i get that sick feeling everytime i take the pills but i'm not abusing them but its in my head i feel guilty since i have been clean so long,for those that don't know must of you do i'm a drunk and was a damn good one,not ashamed of it hell i can laugh at some of the stupid things i did now with my friends but it sucked when it was going on.but at this point have to take them i know i sound like a baby but i have never had pain like this it hurts to piss standing up. hell i played through pain as a catcher and have had the knees scoped 6 times and cut once,and that was a walk in the park compaired to this.
horseshoe tried the 800 mg motrin didnot even phase the pain . well i should here something in a few days.
thanks to all of you and if i have been bitchy and short sorry just not sleeping and feel like shit.
now games
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horseshoe tried the 800 mg motrin didnot even phase the pain . well i should here something in a few days.
thanks to all of you and if i have been bitchy and short sorry just not sleeping and feel like shit.
now games
braves-125 4*
braves un 9.5 4*
dodgers un 9 3*
Fletch,
If the report on the MRI is serious, it's probably more important to have the MRI read by different Radiologists, as well as different Orthopedists, and to have them bump their heads together to decide on the treatment option. No offense to Mags, if there're any fractures, or slipped discs, letting a Chiropractor manipulate your vertebrae is very risky. Good luck.
If the report on the MRI is serious, it's probably more important to have the MRI read by different Radiologists, as well as different Orthopedists, and to have them bump their heads together to decide on the treatment option. No offense to Mags, if there're any fractures, or slipped discs, letting a Chiropractor manipulate your vertebrae is very risky. Good luck.
Fletch--
Again, Jack has my email address and my phone number. Feel free to use it if you need medical advice.
J
Again, Jack has my email address and my phone number. Feel free to use it if you need medical advice.
J
thanks guys soon as i get the results i will be callin a few of you if i dont like what i'm told.can't understand why it takes ady or 2 to read it.
Fletch--
An MRI can be read right there on the spot. Push these docs and tell them you'd like the reading and results tomorrow AM.
Call if you'd like.
J
An MRI can be read right there on the spot. Push these docs and tell them you'd like the reading and results tomorrow AM.
Call if you'd like.
J
Fletch,
I agree with Ddubs - if there is a fracture, it is entirely a different story. Typically it is a herniated disk or bulging disk - but no two backs, or people's situations, are the same - the MRI will be very helpful in determining what is going on - all I'm saying is be careful, as my "specialist" told me 10 years ago that I should have surgery - and he guaranteed I would within 5 years - and I'm still playing softball... the longer you can go w/o surgery, the better, as in time, as in all medical advances, there WILL be a time when back/disk surgery will be perfected to the point that it is considered MINOR surgery - that's what I'm praying for! Good Luck!
I agree with Ddubs - if there is a fracture, it is entirely a different story. Typically it is a herniated disk or bulging disk - but no two backs, or people's situations, are the same - the MRI will be very helpful in determining what is going on - all I'm saying is be careful, as my "specialist" told me 10 years ago that I should have surgery - and he guaranteed I would within 5 years - and I'm still playing softball... the longer you can go w/o surgery, the better, as in time, as in all medical advances, there WILL be a time when back/disk surgery will be perfected to the point that it is considered MINOR surgery - that's what I'm praying for! Good Luck!
Fletch, if MRI isn't conclusive, there's always MRI with dye, that's more detailed, if you haven't had that already. My mom had 2 back surgeries from one of the finest Orthopedic surgeons in the area, unfortunately, he's now retired. She's doing great. (Surgeries were for different things by the way, didn't have to be done twice because of boo-boo) It is such a delicate thing, I know someone who had the 49er's orthepedist operate on him and he's disabled for life. Go figure. Just re-affirming, be careful who you have for a Dr. you just never know. All the best to you, you're in my prayers.
fletch, last year i had back pain so bad in the morning i rolled off the couch and crawled to the bathroom..to work i had to take percidan....8 a day....just to fuction 3 hours...all i wanted to do was scream....or cry...awful...then i found a doc that pescribed the epidurals one a week for three weeks...instant releif...i only needed the first two...im forty and i didnt want to get my back cut either.....suggest this to your doc...i was a catcher too. complete reconstruction on one knee and six scopes on both...hang in there and good luck..
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thats the point i dont want anyone messing with my back because i have heard of a few stories where people were messed up for life and some never walked again,i know i am thinking all the bad things but thats just how im when it comes to my body.
As stated above by various people, there are no guarantees just like in gambling. As a chiropractor, a manipulation may be helpful for you and it also may be contra-indicated depending on physical exam findings and radiology results. There are chiropractic techniques that are non-force that can be very beneficial for you.
MRI are very helpful in determining the size and location of a disc bulge or herniation as well as determining the degree of spinal stenosis (narrowing). However, just like x-rays, just because the MRI does not show anything does not mean there is nothing there. Were there any x-rays taken before your MRI? Were any ortho tests performed on you? Blood or urine tests? Sometimes back pain is actually referred pain from another organ. Anything can cause anything.
I have other questions to ask you so please ask jack for my email address or write to me on this forum if you are interested. You have helped me on this forum so it is a pleasure to assist you in any way that I can.
MRI are very helpful in determining the size and location of a disc bulge or herniation as well as determining the degree of spinal stenosis (narrowing). However, just like x-rays, just because the MRI does not show anything does not mean there is nothing there. Were there any x-rays taken before your MRI? Were any ortho tests performed on you? Blood or urine tests? Sometimes back pain is actually referred pain from another organ. Anything can cause anything.
I have other questions to ask you so please ask jack for my email address or write to me on this forum if you are interested. You have helped me on this forum so it is a pleasure to assist you in any way that I can.
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