Gay men adopt...........

[dr. freeze]

yes.....Dr. Freeze loves spewing the bull**it

you'll also notice that he didn't answer my question.......


so I'll ask it again:

Dr......when did you choose to be straight? Oh and well I'm at it...when did Tiger choose to be black? I love people like you who spew all this gobbleygook, but when pressed with this question can't answer it........if you say gays CHOOSE to be gay, then obviously all straight people choose that as well. If one group has a choice then the other must as well. And oh in case your wondering...I made my choice at age 15.....got a bunch of my friends together and we sat around and all chose which gender we liked. It was a fun evening....kind of like an draft.......took pictures and everything!

how does a guy choose to get to 400 pounds? did he like it or did he just end up there from decisions he made and events that occurred in his life? is life easy that way?

these are all stupid arguments....have nothign to do with anything...just realize that you do not understand much about behavior and genetics until you have researched about it and you will realize that this level of discussion is absurd....

there are other points that can be made concerning a genetic basis but this is certainly not one of them

 

[kickserv]

well Dr. Freeze.........one word:


wow


two more words:

it's 2003



and you still haven't answered my question

 

[kickserv]

well ok....you told me


of course once you quoted the bible...ya cleared things up for me.....thanks...much appreciated

 

[dr. freeze]

actually i didn't quote the Bible....

pathological behavior is differentiated from normal behavior by dysfunction....clearly a homosexual is not able to have normal sexual relations required to reproduce.....that represents a dysfunction...there is no getting around that no matter what a political action group's agenda says....

that is a synopsis of the science behind behavior....

 

[dr. freeze]

two more words:

it's 2003

if something is true, it is timeless....no matter what an agenda being pressed on our culture says...

if a lie is told long enough, people will start to believe it

 

[fatdaddycool]

you are also ignorant when you insult the Bible....a lot of you are putting yourself in a very dangerous place with some of the words you say....in a blashphemous place....a place where you feel like you yourself can disprove that God exist and that the Bible is His Holy Word.....

If you think you have the means to disprove such a thing go ahead....or have the arrogance to try go ahead.....

But hey I am not gonna judge your heart...we all have arrogance problems....but I am just saying you are taking a risk when you pass judgements about who God is and who He isn't....and judgements about His Word -- that is between you and God.....

but nonetheless it offends lots of people who have faith in it....and it offends and hurts me personally

hey i want all gays to get best treatment they can........

The one most amazing thing about this scribble of psycho-babble is, you truly have no idea what may bubble out of that brain of yours do you? How the hell can you say in one sentence that you aren't going to pass judgement on me and then continue that same sentence by calling me arrogant to disagree with an obviously more informed you!!
Who the hell said anything about disproving the Bible? Disprove what? That you were made in his image? That the earth was repopulated by Noah and his daughters? And of course, all the genetically correct animals he had with him?
You know what maybe the Red Sea was split, and water to wine but you cannot scientifically prove one part of the bible. As to the existence fo Jesus? Maybe I don't know. I am not trying to disprove anything that has been proven yet. But now, I am going to burn in eternal hellfire because I don't believe Adam or Eve are responsible for my mortality? Never confuse Faith for truth.
hey you want all gays to get good treatment ....as long as it doesn't involve children getting a home right?
FDC

 

[djv]

You got more then bible folks to worry about. You got the power of the country to worry about. The right hates gays period. As for gays taking on kids as a nice wonderful thing to do. Well there is plenty other stuff they can do. And I saw the light. I would hate to be rasied by two gays and the chit Iwould go through. Not when Im on by own over 18/19. But young and getting chit layed on me everyday at school. I cant see this as fun for anyone. I might stay the course with the gang at the house for children. Hey thats me im not for it. Gays can get married. They can do what ever they want. I just dont think they should rasie kids. At least any that are not there own to start with. Go visit the kids every day and do things with them. Chit, Moms and Dads have enough trouble now days bringing up kids. Why make it any harder on them.

 

[VaNurse]

FDC, thanks for the insight on how it feels to be an orphan. I have mixed emotions about gays adopting children, much as I have mixed emotions about singles adopting, but I support their effort to do so. My emotions stem from my inability to have children of my own and, having looked into the feasibility of adoption, was disheartened by the whole thing. It seems that everyone wants perfect white cherubic infants while few want those of mixed origin or with disabilities. Somehow, I'd bet that most gays who wish to adopt, whether they be male or female, are willing to accept children who are more difficult to place in a conventional adoption. Don't the rest of you believe that they need love and nurturing also?

It's the judgement spouted by many of the posters here that perpetuates the difficulty and ridicule that these children may face. Children learn from their parents, whether that education be tolerance or hatred for their fellow man. I believe that children raised in an environment of love and tolerance will be better people and will, hopefully, be able to rise above those who scorn others because they are different from themselves.

 

[kickserv]

VA..........well said :clap:

 

[BahamaMama]

FDC, thanks for the insight on how it feels to be an orphan. I have mixed emotions about gays adopting children, much as I have mixed emotions about singles adopting, but I support their effort to do so. My emotions stem from my inability to have children of my own and, having looked into the feasibility of adoption, was disheartened by the whole thing. It seems that everyone wants perfect white cherubic infants while few want those of mixed origin or with disabilities. Somehow, I'd bet that most gays who wish to adopt, whether they be male or female, are willing to accept children who are more difficult to place in a conventional adoption. Don't the rest of you believe that they need love and nurturing also?

It's the judgement spouted by many of the posters here that perpetuates the difficulty and ridicule that these children may face. Children learn from their parents, whether that education be tolerance or hatred for their fellow man. I believe that children raised in an environment of love and tolerance will be better people and will, hopefully, be able to rise above those who scorn others because they are different from themselves.

200% in agreement of VA nurse here.... you can only learn so much from your parents, and tolerance or hatred is included in the top 1%!!!! (although i do NOT believe in adoption by homosexual couples if the try and PUSH their own beliefs on children.)

what about heterosexual people??? are they not naturally attracted to different physical types??

i personally am more physically attracted to men with long hair, hairy chests, NOOOOOOO hairy back, heavy build as opposed to boney, etc.......... this is GENETIC..........it is what i LIKE, and men that are attracted to men, and women that are attracted to women are probably no different than any pre programmed heterosectual.

many women, i'm sure prefer muscular, clean cut men...... it's all in a pre programmed taste.

no way with this idea could i be opposed to gays adopting, unless they tried to FORCE homosexuality on their children.

some women like SCRWANY men, some like MUSCULAR,

i do beliveve that natural attraction is h

 

[saint]

if homosexuality was purely or even predominantly genetical, we would see a massive decrease in the trait/disease whatever you want to call it over time....and that is not what we are seeing

Freeze-

On a genetics level, your argument that if homosexuality is genetic then it would be weeded out by now or decreasing is on the surface correct...although you are missing 1 large part.

Up until the last decade, homosexuals did not have the cushion of a society that is now more accepting of gays. As a result, there are many men who had homosexual tendencies that tried to repress them due to the way our society was in the past. As a result, many times gays got married, had kids, and then ended up divorcing their wives once being gay was more acceptable...in the last 10 years. And believe me, that scenario happens A LOT.

So your argument that a genetic component of being gay is unfounded when you state that it can't be possible because it would be weeded out. The number of gay males who theoretically have had children from the reasons I stated above are more than enough to sustain the genetic component.

Have you ever read any research on the subject regarding animals in nature with homosexual tendencies and brain patterns that fluctuate from normal. It's what you stated earlier. Like most personal traits, there is probably a slight genetic PREDISPOSITION towards homosexuality, but the effects of the environment in combination of those genes is what ultimately decides it.

As far as the subject of the original post, although I do not agree with gays adopting children I have to agree with what someone said earlier. There are such a lack of good homes for children. If 2 gays can provide a good home for a child that might otherwise not get it, then so be it. Since this is such a new topic, it will take time to determine the effect on kids growing up in this type of household. Until then, why deprive a child of that because of your opinions of how he or she might grow up

 

[BahamaMama]

where in the HELL did the entire end of my last post disappear to???? geez, i'll either be back tomorrow after work with the end, or after we get back from toronto some time in September.

 

[TBONEZ0295]

WOW my eyes are bleeding...........

I recieved a phone call yesterday asking for some help ................My friends " the gay guys"are moving tom. they know I have a large suv and asked me to help them move some breakable items along with some other things, the baby is still in Delaware . with one of the guys at a hotel Apparently they cannot bring her out of that state for 10 days I guess paperwork and such...........I'll let you know how this turns out ..........Its very strange to me honestly , I want to be happy for them for real but I have major reservations................

Fatdaddy I am sorry that you had such a rough childhood, really I am...........but this is not an orphanage kid here this is a 3 day old babygirl and I am sure that there are a million couples out there who would love to buy her popsicles and teach her how to ride a bike..........................I just think that a traditional family setting would be more benefical to the child in the long run..........................

 

[dr. freeze]

uh....nowhere did i mention anything about gays not adopting children....

also nowhere will you find anyone "hating" gays

people who hate anyone have issues and i think its immature to say that conservatives hate gays...

i think gays need help....if they want help and treatment for their problems, dr. freeze will do everything he can to hlep....if they do not want treatment for that and have another medical condition, dr. freeze will provide that...


saying that this action is a disease does not illustrate "hate" any more than saying someone who acts depressed has depression or diagnosing a 280 lb 5'7" dude with obesity...for some reason this insinuation always occurs...

i would like to hear an explanation on why pedophilia is a disease but homosexuality is not from those of you who think it is not.....(a scientifically valid explanation)

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

i personally am more physically attracted to men with long hair, hairy chests, NOOOOOOO hairy back, heavy build as opposed to boney,

jesus....picky enough?


anything else you left out?:moon:

 

[fatdaddycool]

VaNurse,
Thank you, I completely agree. The ability to raise a child into a caring, friendly responsible human being is not now and never has been predicated on the ability to have heterosexual sex.

Before anyone jumps out there and says something ridiculous I said "RAISE" not bear a child.

DJV,
I like you and respect that you try to contribute to the forum all the time, so I will say this as kindly as I can. Please do not ever state that you "would rather hang out in the home" as you have absolutely zero knowledge of what all that entails. Not everyone is like the Cider House. Also, nobody in an orphanage has childhood friends. I have none, with no long standing lasting relationships at all. I don't and never had a childhood sweetheart. I don't have home movies. I don't get a card from a single fuhking soul on my birthday and it has been that way my entire natural born life....so please........refrain from irresponsible statements like that. You don't know what you are saying.
FDC

BahamaMama,
I think it is hard for people to repress their own feelings towards gays and that bleeds into their children. I think wanting to nurture and care for a child is an admirable trait and I applaud ANYONE that chooses to take on a lifelong endeavor. What most don't understand is that gays can push their agenda on lots of kids that they aren't going to have to put through college, insure, raise, and endure ridicule wherever they go. To say that they are adopting to push agenda is no more true than you yourself trying to push yours on your kids...you know what I mean? I think when you have a child, as I do, you are more worried for their public perception then you are for your own. You do not want them to suffer through the same things you did so to speak.

 

[djv]

FDC I and my wife have been in the foster parent program for 10 years. I have very good idea what you are saying. We see kids come in to our home and leave. They may stay a year they may not. Longest has been 16 months. Two Gay maried people want to help here is away. I can understand your wish to be with anyone as a youth. If no one else wants to help out. It's left to the Gays to do it. So be it. I just dont like the idea. Believe you also would have loved to had it as a Mom an Dad. Not Dad an Dad. But a way out is a way out. Instead of so many Americans runing off to China and Malyasia, an Korea for there children. It's time they take care of the needs here. Im about to get killed for that remark I know. But dam it we have tons of kids that need help right here.

 

[fatdaddycool]

DJV,
I commend you on your foster parent status as it takes special souls to do such a noble thing. However, your stance is somewhat softened compared to earlier when you thought little Johnny was automatically to be raped by dad and dad or brought up to be gay. Social strata is based on an everchanging set of values that we as citizens are too fickle to realize a happy medium. On one hand is the abortion rights. Certain lobbyists and sects are pro life yet want to cut government spending on schools for the poor, etc... do you see how hypocritical that is?
Hey poor lady you can't have an abortion, and you can't get any additional aid either. As a community, race, population, however you want to put it, we have allowed social conscience to be the deciding factor in matters of government. We force racial and social diversity down everyones throats and then hold those that do not conform to the chopping block, and who really loses at that point? Culturists? Minorities? Social diversity clouded by social conscience is no more than a social dictatorship.
FDC

 

[djv]

FDC I know how the right wants it both ways on the issue of abortion and cut spending. The next from there mouths is they all should know better. But no dont teach them right from wrong when it comes to sex. They should never learn that in school. One of the best classe I ever had when I was 15 going on 16 was my sex ed classe. I sure had some funny ideas then. They would have cooked my butt good had I not been tought better at school. I know we will here how it's the Mom and Pop at home that should be doing the teaching. You bet in this fast passed world since the middle fiftys. You got to be kidding me. All you will here from many parents is who's got time.

 

[TBONEZ0295]

I hope this doesn't start a riot but here goes...............I spent yesterday morning helping these guys move plants and stuff to there new "$450,000" house the reason I quoted the value of there house is I believe that is an important factor, I guess! we had lunch together and had some time to talk a little about the adoption. The babies name is Lucia which is one of the guys grandmothers name. They shared pictures with me and she appeared to be just like all other newborns. I really think that these 2 guys are really exceptionally nice and if married to women would be great dads , but when I asked if they knew what nationality she was they both looked ummmmm I would say dumbfounded to say the least ......................It took a min. of silence and then the one guy Carl spirts out IRISH and AFRICAN AMERICAN

Now you tell me the this child who has been adopted by 2 gay men I don't care how great or nice they are, are going to be able to raise a child who is half black and half white without any major and I do say MAJOR controversy!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS DEFINATELY A MESS if I do say so myself.....................

yes this little 4 day old baby needs a home but having gay "DADS" and having to deal with being MIXED on top of it ....................THIS IS DEFINATELY TROUBLE................:nono:

THEY ARE GAY AND PROUD OF IT no shame in there game, they even locked lips in front of me UGHHHHH disgusting!!!!!

some of your points FDC were very valid and it is obvious that you have care and concern in your heart for children but you have to admit this is an ugly cituation....................and it should not have been aloud...........:nono:

DJV- I have thought about foster parenting myself due to some personal family happenings in my life but my kids said if I did it they would move out ................That is a wonderful way to help kids my hats off to you and your wife....................most foster children have problems and require extra special attention and it really does take special people to take on such challenges..............To be honest I am not so sure I have that specialness os the patience in me to do something like that...........