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Bailed out by this admin, the secure creditors and bondholders got screwed as ownership was handed over to the unions......rainbows, unicorns and lollipops, right?

GM has now RECALLED more vehicles this year than it has sold in 2012 and 2013 COMBINED!!!!!

Yep - things are so much better now.
 

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It's gonna cost $.57 to fix the initioms. Where will they find that money in their 3.8 billion of income. :shrug:

Glad you're still making money ......
 

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Bailed out by this admin, the secure creditors and bondholders got screwed as ownership was handed over to the unions......rainbows, unicorns and lollipops, right?

GM has now RECALLED more vehicles this year than it has sold in 2012 and 2013 COMBINED!!!!!

Yep - things are so much better now.

Shutting down GM and putting its suppliers out of business would be better than them recalling cars to fix malfunctioning components? Please explain.
 

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Borders and Booksellers and a bunch of other brick and mortar stores used to do really well selling books and calendars and stuff....then along came the internet and Amazon and those places went of out business, with thousands of people losing their jobs and income and investments.
Why did the government not come and bail those failing companies out?

That is capitalism. Either you make it on your own and succeed or someone else comes along, doing it better than you and puts you out of business.

Had GM or Chrysler or Ford failed - there would have been a vacuum created with their absence and some young entrepreneur would have come along and filled it.

What we are now experiencing in this country since TARP, is no longer capitalism. The business cycle has been suspended or modified. The US Govt and the FED is not allowing it. It is abnormal and their experiments in social engineering and finance will implode sooner or later. Businesses that can not make it on their own need to be allowed to fail. Be it a bank or a car company, a bread store or home store.
There used to be stores called Handy Andy, Gold Circle and Uncle Bills - precursors to Walmart and Target - those store have long since gone bankrupt yet Target and Walmart and Lowe's has risen to take their place. Will anyone ask for the government to bail out Sears when they go belly up? Coldwater Creek? What about Circuit City? Were you unable to buy that big flat screen once they went under?
 
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I've worked hard to get where I am. I have not taken any govt subsidy or any benefit. I've worked hard, saved, done my own research and investing and things have worked out. Luck has been a part of it too, for sure.

Why does that make you want to demonize me? Because I am successful? Is that bad now? I've harmed no one in the pursuit of my goals, in fact, I have helped others achieve far more than they ever thought they could but somehow, to you, that makes me a subject to deride or ridicule.

In its basest form, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.
 

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BBC:
I've worked hard to get where I am. I have not taken any govt subsidy or any benefit. I've worked hard, saved, done my own research and investing and things have worked out. Luck has been a part of it too, for sure.

Why does that make you want to demonize me? Because I am successful? Is that bad now? I've harmed no one in the pursuit of my goals, in fact, I have helped others achieve far more than they ever thought they could but somehow, to you, that makes me a subject to deride or ridicule.

In its basest form, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.

I don't hate you because you're successful. I just don't think that you really understand what it is that you're posting and I think that the authors of the articles that you post are searching for people who aren't smart so that they can advertise their prepper solutions, their gold and guns. The fact that an investment guru doesn't understand that makes me wonder about the validity of his claims of success.

Any chart that compares the sale of a $15,000 vehicle to a $0.50 recall is intentionally trying to deceive.
 

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I've worked hard to get where I am. I have not taken any govt subsidy or any benefit. I've worked hard, saved, done my own research and investing and things have worked out. Luck has been a part of it too, for sure.

Why does that make you want to demonize me? Because I am successful? Is that bad now? I've harmed no one in the pursuit of my goals, in fact, I have helped others achieve far more than they ever thought they could but somehow, to you, that makes me a subject to deride or ridicule.

In its basest form, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.
 

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BBC:
I am not a "prepper".......I have guns, I have precious metals, I have long term food storage because I want to do right by my family. I do not have hoards of anything.

I've worked very hard as a small business owner to be successful. I can read financial charts, balance statements, run a business, manage, etc.

I am a ravenous reader. I've taught myself how to trade and I learned from an incredible mentor in Forex. In that regard, I was lucky.

I do not agree with how the Powers that Be are managing the US economy. History has shown - if you read the right books, that the Great Depression was lengthened and worsened by the actions of the US Gov't. A Depression occurred in the US in 1920-21 - no one talks about it because it was over quickly and the gov't did not intervene - the free market forces took care of it.
The Federal Reserve Bank and Gov't (they are not the same thing, contrary to public opinion) are running the same playbook as they did for the Great Depression and the same playbook that Japan used to produce the Lost Decade - actually 2 Lost Decades now.
US Banks are now loeveraged higher than they were in 2007. How did that work out?
Have you seen recently that you can now get loans on the equity in your CAR? Are you kidding me? Cars depreciate faster than anything else!!! It is insanity and we (this country and the global economy) learned absolutely NOTHING from the meltdown in 2007-2009.

I have stocks and bonds, precious metals, food - some will be good investments, some will most likely be bad. Anyone who tells you they get it right all the time is lying to you.

Be prepared is all I can say. Whatever that means to YOU and gives YOU peace of mind.

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Bailed out by this admin, the secure creditors and bondholders got screwed as ownership was handed over to the unions......rainbows, unicorns and lollipops, right?

GM has now RECALLED more vehicles this year than it has sold in 2012 and 2013 COMBINED!!!!!

Yep - things are so much better now.

So, let's see....according to you it's somehow Obama's fault that creditors and bondholders made bad investments 10 years ago? And the UAW, not the shareholders, now owns GM?

You must be skulnutz' dumber brother.
 

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Duff:
Do you know how bankruptcy proceedings are SUPPOSED to work?

There is a reason people buy bonds......they get paid FIRST.

They don't get fucked by a corrupt administration and see their ownership handed to the Union as a payoff for votes.

Bondholders got 10% on their money.
Unions got 76% on theirs.

You must be KOD"s father.


And, LORDY LORDY - the same bullshit happens in Detroit......pensions holding Detroit bonds will be receiving DOUBLE the rate (40%) than the bondholders (20%)
 

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BBC:
I have not taken any govt subsidy or any benefit.

You or your children ever attend public school? Drive on public roads? Depend on public fire, sheriff or police? Take any FDA approved drugs? Student loans? Eat any USDA inspected food? Depend on the US Military, the FBI, the FAA, Border Patrol, FCC, FDIC, SEC, or any other taxpayer-paid agencies for your benefit? Got any parents on SS or Medicare? Write off any capital gains? Defer tax on any income?

You've never taken any government benefit? Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. You take them every day.:facepalm:
 

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Duff:
Do you know how bankruptcy proceedings are SUPPOSED to work?

There is a reason people buy bonds......they get paid FIRST.

They don't get fucked by a corrupt administration and see their ownership handed to the Union as a payoff for votes.

Bondholders got 10% on their money.
Unions got 76% on theirs.

You must be KOD"s father.


And, LORDY LORDY - the same bullshit happens in Detroit......pensions holding Detroit bonds will be receiving DOUBLE the rate (40%) than the bondholders (20%)

You said ownership of GM was "handed over to unions" . Your words, not mine. 'splain THAT.:facepalm:
 
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