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you wouldn't have hired him because he has a big schnocker or because of his wife's facebook page?

so now we're terminating or not hiring people because of their spouse's Facebook page too?
 
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Sportsaholic said:
Not sure what his game plan is or care. I just know I'm not willing to take the chance on him with my business/money based on the info at hand. :0008
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As opposed to the guy that posts this on a public forum?
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447106

talking about having sex with cartoon characters.

Or this thread
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445467
Posting images of provocatively clad women and ranking them in terms of attractiveness.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but you're putting out a pretty big double standard here. You're saying it's okay for you to post these things, but it's not ok for someone else to post things.

(and I'm really not trying to flame you here, but you brought this topic up, and a lot of folks do the same thing you do)

So I'll ask you this - If you're basing interview decisions on what you see on Facebook, etc. What do you think a qualified applicant would say if they saw your facebook, or saw your posts on a public forum?

Think they'd want to come in and interview with you?
 
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marine said:
As opposed to the guy that posts this on a public forum?
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447106

talking about having sex with cartoon characters.

Or this thread
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445467
Posting images of provocatively clad women and ranking them in terms of attractiveness.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but you're putting out a pretty big double standard here. You're saying it's okay for you to post these things, but it's not ok for someone else to post things.

(and I'm really not trying to flame you here, but you brought this topic up, and a lot of folks do the same thing you do)

So I'll ask you this - If you're basing interview decisions on what you see on Facebook, etc. What do you think a qualified applicant would say if they saw your facebook, or saw your posts on a public forum?

Think they'd want to come in and interview with you?
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I'll keep this in mind next time I send out a Resume with the name "Sportsaholic" on it :0008
 
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Sportsaholic said:
I'll keep this in mind next time I send out a Resume with the name "Sportsaholic" on it :0008
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So it's okay to do these things just so long as you don't attach your full name to it?

Whether you put your name down on it or not, it doesn't change who you are.

You're declining to interview someone because you've labeled them 'trouble' based on what they've posted.
You've posted similarly "inappropriateness" but haven't attached your full name to it.
So you're trouble that your boss/employees/co-workers just haven't found out about yet.
 
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marine said:
So it's okay to do these things just so long as you don't attach your full name to it?

Whether you put your name down on it or not, it doesn't change who you are.

You're declining to interview someone because you've labeled them 'trouble' based on what they've posted.
You've posted similarly "inappropriateness" but haven't attached your full name to it.
So you're trouble that your boss/employees/co-workers just haven't found out about yet.
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Marine, end result it's my biz & my money and I'll use whatever means thats available to me to base my descions on.............Sorry if this or I offend you :sadwave:
 
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marine said:
As opposed to the guy that posts this on a public forum?
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447106

talking about having sex with cartoon characters.

Or this thread
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445467
Posting images of provocatively clad women and ranking them in terms of attractiveness.


I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but you're putting out a pretty big double standard here. You're saying it's okay for you to post these things, but it's not ok for someone else to post things.

(and I'm really not trying to flame you here, but you brought this topic up, and a lot of folks do the same thing you do)

So I'll ask you this - If you're basing interview decisions on what you see on Facebook, etc. What do you think a qualified applicant would say if they saw your facebook, or saw your posts on a public forum?

Think they'd want to come in and interview with you?
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Marine, I think you're missing the point here. These people are choosing to make their pages public under their own names and still acting obnoxious, knowing full well that anyone, including prospective employers, can view/judge them by the comments and pictures they post. Even the most professional people have their less-than-flattering moments but have enough common sense not to broadcast that stuff on the internet, especially where its easily found. To do otherwise shows a lot about their judgment.

Employers want to hire people who know how to carry themselves outwardly and represent their company professionally. Let's say a client looks up the names of one of your employees on Facebook. If what they find is embarrassing, wouldn't you want to avoid having that reflect your company as well? That's much different than posting anonymously under a forum handle.
 
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Also, it's not "discrimination" if you refuse to hire an applicant because you don't think the way they carry themself reflects the company's professional values. Discrimination has to be based on a protected class, like age, gender, disability, religion, etc. The law doesn't protect people who want to brag on Facebook about getting sloshed on weeknights or waking and baking.
 
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parlayinn said:
Also, it's not "discrimination" if you refuse to hire an applicant because you don't think the way they carry themself reflects the company's professional values. Discrimination has to be based on a protected class, like age, gender, disability, religion, etc. The law doesn't protect people who want to brag on Facebook about getting sloshed on weeknights or waking and baking.
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However - If a member of a protected class (religion, sex, disability, etc etc) has that information on their facebook page... and learn that a prospective employer that they submitted their resume to has thrown out there otherwise qualified resume because of a facebook page...

Example - Person is a minority and has their photo in their facebook profile. They learn that someone they submitted their qualified resume to has tossed it out after viewing their facebook page... anyone with half a brain can use this to collect a massive payday.

Why?

Well judge, that employer over there viewed my facebook page and has refused to interview me because I am black/mexican/protestant/catholic/wiccan/disabled/etc.
My resume shows all the skills required for the job they are looking to fill, but when they saw a picture of me they refused to interview me.

And with today's unemployment woes, if you think that DOESN'T happen you are in for a big big suprise.

You (as the employer) can argue up and down all day long that it was because of what they wrote, not who they are or what they look like and you are not going to overcome that.


Example #2 -

Lady posts on her facebook page - "Wow, can't believe how wasted I got last night!"
You decline to interview based on that.

When she's filing the grievance with Equal Opportunity groups here's how it could look....

I was pregnant and had the baby about 3 months ago, I went out for the first time in over a year with my girlfriends to celebrate and after 1 glass of wine I was feeling very drunk because I haven't had liquor in over a year. That employer over there won't interview me because I am a single mom/mother/have kids and he thinks that is a detriment to my career.
 
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marine said:
However - If a member of a protected class (religion, sex, disability, etc etc) has that information on their facebook page... and learn that a prospective employer that they submitted their resume to has thrown out there otherwise qualified resume because of a facebook page...

Example - Person is a minority and has their photo in their facebook profile. They learn that someone they submitted their qualified resume to has tossed it out after viewing their facebook page... anyone with half a brain can use this to collect a massive payday.

Why?

Well judge, that employer over there viewed my facebook page and has refused to interview me because I am black/mexican/protestant/catholic/wiccan/disabled/etc.
My resume shows all the skills required for the job they are looking to fill, but when they saw a picture of me they refused to interview me.

And with today's unemployment woes, if you think that DOESN'T happen you are in for a big big suprise.

You (as the employer) can argue up and down all day long that it was because of what they wrote, not who they are or what they look like and you are not going to overcome that.


Example #2 -

Lady posts on her facebook page - "Wow, can't believe how wasted I got last night!"
You decline to interview based on that.

When she's filing the grievance with Equal Opportunity groups here's how it could look....

I was pregnant and had the baby about 3 months ago, I went out for the first time in over a year with my girlfriends to celebrate and after 1 glass of wine I was feeling very drunk because I haven't had liquor in over a year. That employer over there won't interview me because I am a single mom/mother/have kids and he thinks that is a detriment to my career.
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Come on Marine, you're talking about such a minute sample. What are the chances someone finds out their resume was tossed out because of their FB account? And if that's the case then the person looking at the FB page and tossing it out is just as dumb as the person with dumb stuff on their page. Since I've been recruiting I've always used myspace, fb and before that it was people's AOL accounts. The FACT is that employers will and always will use every means necessary to find out about people. It's the new "reference" check instead of calling friends who have been set up to say things. Most recruiters and employers will go to the candidates page to try and find out, I do that as well as go to their friends pages. You know how it is in recruiting, you have to get the very best person and just as important you don't want to have to be replacing that person for free because they weren't as advertised. I've had pretty much all the same clients for the last 12 years and there's a reason for that, I do everything I can to make sure they will be a good employee.
 
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Come on Marine, you're talking about such a minute sample. What are the chances someone finds out their resume was tossed out because of their FB account? And if that's the case then the person looking at the FB page and tossing it out is just as dumb as the person with dumb stuff on their page. Since I've been recruiting I've always used myspace, fb and before that it was people's AOL accounts. The FACT is that employers will and always will use every means necessary to find out about people. It's the new "reference" check instead of calling friends who have been set up to say things. Most recruiters and employers will go to the candidates page to try and find out, I do that as well as go to their friends pages. You know how it is in recruiting, you have to get the very best person and just as important you don't want to have to be replacing that person for free because they weren't as advertised. I've had pretty much all the same clients for the last 12 years and there's a reason for that, I do everything I can to make sure they will be a good employee.
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Did you happen to read the first post in this thread?

You and I both know that with minimal internet searching it wouldn't be that hard to pull the info on anyone. (including the original poster of this thread and identify that person).

As for the examples I provided - unfortunately (and I mean that) unfortunately, they are not made up.

You're in a much different position however. Being a 3rd party recruiter, you certainly can use all that info at hand. Because you aren't the one hiring that person.

Example - Military veteran. Employer can't ask to see their DD-214 or records other than to verify dates of employment.
3rd party recruiter can ask for it all and use it in determining who to pass along to the employer.
 
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