Grab and Glove and Ball.....

[IE]

Marlins might need you soon!!
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The Florida Marlins lost another starting pitcher to an injury when left-hander Michael Tejera left Saturday night's game early with a sprained right Achilles' and lower back discomfort.

The Marlins already have three pitchers on the DL. A.J. Burnett recently had Tommy John surgery and is expected to be out 12-to-18 months. Mark Redman is out with a broken left thumb, and Josh Beckett sprained his right elbow on Wednesday.

Tejera was hurt while running out a grounder in the third inning. He tripped over the bag after hitting into a double play and landed awkwardly. Tejera went to the mound for the next inning and threw two warmup pitches, but left and was replaced by Toby Borland.

Tejera is probable to questionable for his next start, scheduled for Friday against the Dodgers.

 

[The Big Tease]

I know this one has nothing to do with the manager, but I predicted that all of these pitchers would be hurt becuase Torberg is an idiot. I completely blame him for Burnett and for Beckett

 

[IE]

Going into today, Marlins were about avg as far as stress levels go for pitiching staffs.....

Now, the Cubs are a different story.......and it didn't help the season that Wood threw 141 pitches today....

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NAME TEA L GS IP NP AVGNP MAXNP PAP AVGPAP MAXPAP PAP>0 STRESS I II III IV V
-------------------- --- - --- ------ ----- ------ ----- ------- ------ ------ ----- ------ --- --- --- --- ---
Wood_Kerry CHN N 7 45.0 770 110.0 123 27928 3990 12167 6 36 1 2 2 2 0
Zambrano_Carlos CHN N 7 44.3 766 109.4 122 21047 3007 10648 5 27 2 1 3 1 0
Clement_Matt CHN N 7 43.3 685 97.9 117 8504 1215 4913 3 12 4 1 2 0 0
Prior_Mark CHN N 7 49.0 743 106.1 116 8210 1173 4096 5 11 2 2 3 0 0
Estes_Shawn CHN N 7 37.3 612 87.4 116 4617 660 4096 4 8 3 3 1 0 0

 

[Junior44]

Pitch count is overrated. Completely depends on the individual pitcher, the types of pitches he throws, and about a billion other factors. It can't be applied universally and I'm not even sure that pitch count has much value as a handicapping tool.

 

[IE]

you have your way of thinking, i will have mine Junior,coupled with batters faced and situations faced --pitch counts are a great capping tool.....

 

[Junior44]

you have your way of thinking, i will have mine Junior,coupled with batters faced and situations faced --pitch counts are a great capping tool.....

Let me rephrase........pitch counts, situationally, and applied INDIVIDUALLY can be a worthwhile handicapping tool. Pitch count applied universally and in a vacuum, imo, is a reach.

Wasn't knocking anybody......everybody has their own style that works for them.

Rock on.

 

[The Big Tease]

Yea.....I respect your opinion Junior, but I will go back to what I told gman on this topic. Anyone that thinks pitch count is overrated cant possibly have pitched an inning in their life. A young arm cannot handle the stress of pitching against a major league lineup if it is continually abused. 130, 140 plus pitches in a game situation is too much stress. And I have heard the point that guys throw in the bullpen and they throw before each inning, but those are not "real" pitches. These guys arent snapping curve balls, or throwing anywhere near as hard as they throw in a gametime situation.

I am not speaking of it as a valid capping tool. In my opinion some guys actually throw better on the short term if they are throwing a ton of pitches consistantly. Schilling is an example of this, and Mulder is an example of this. So, I personally, dont use it as a capping tool, but as far as the managing of a young pitching staff.....these guys cant be kept out there for all of these pitches, or they will end up hurt like Burnett and Beckett. It is no coincidence. Trust me.

 

[IE]

you too Junior, may all your plays be winners...

IE

 

[Junior44]

Big Tease:

I was referring to using pitch count as a general handicapping tool. Should some young arms be held to a certain pitch count to protect them and prolong their careers? Absolutely, I'm on your side of the sandbox. And yes, I have pitched. I was the pride of my neighborhood in Whiffle Ball. Could throw a pitch that rose about 6 feet off the ground as it crossed home plate. Still can.

 

[The Big Tease]

:lol2 :clap:

 

[MadJack]

I was the pride of my neighborhood in Whiffle Ball. Could throw a pitch that rose about 6 feet off the ground as it crossed home plate.