Great Article in Chicago Tribune (yes, another liberal rag)
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Mags, just when I think your posts can't get any more absurd, you prove me wrong... :mj07:
The VAST majority of intelligence, talent, inititive, drive, determination and entreprenuerial spirit is born of the middle and lower classes. It's always been that way and it'll always be that way. There are many exceptions to that truism, but they're just that... exceptions.
You are one naive dude if you believe that every member of the upper class got there through hard work, self sacrifice and superior intelligence or talent.
Mags proving once again that...
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith
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Sorry Mags I just posted same article (real change) did my posting before reading forum.
--anyway--as they say the proof is in the pudding.
We need to chop federal gov and increase states rights.
Live and let live-Let each live with the merits of their own convictions--
I promise I won't compromise and be vacationing in any of those 95% dem voting districts
Sorry Mags I just posted same article (real change) did my posting before reading forum.
--anyway--as they say the proof is in the pudding.
We need to chop federal gov and increase states rights.
Live and let live-Let each live with the merits of their own convictions--
I promise I won't compromise and be vacationing in any of those 95% dem voting districts
You see this just proves that you do not understand the problem. You still want to take money out of the pocket of the middle class. Don't you understand that is the problem. And the more you take away the more you are going to have to pay out in welfare, food stamps, medical, etc.
Trench - again, as usual, you are twisting words. What I said was "some folks are not capable of being in the upper class". What you twisted that into was "that every member of the upper class..."
Both you and Duffy are good at twisting things that are said. I know that is all part of the liberal game plan, but geez... get it right once in a while.
And it is absolutely true - some people do not have the intelligence, drive or ability to be in the upper class. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
Stevie - but here is the problem. We don't have enough manufactoring type jobs for this middle class. We are now a knowledge based economy. So what do we do with all the folks that don't have the abilities to compete? Many of these folks can't be retrained.
Do we just send them back where they came from? Do we always have 50% of the folks that can't make a decent wage because they lack intelligence/drive/skills? One thing we can't do is artificially up wages above what the value of the work is - that just pushes up prices.
So what do you do?
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Sorry Mags I just posted same article (real change) did my posting before reading forum.
--anyway--as they say the proof is in the pudding.
We need to chop federal gov and increase states rights.
Live and let live-Let each live with the merits of their own convictions--
I promise I won't compromise and be vacationing in any of those 95% dem voting districts
+1.... agreed. Let CA and IL drown in their own entitlements/debt. If states want to have sanctuary cities, then let them pay for them.
We'd sure as hell better NEVER bail out CA. They made their own mess - let 'em live with it.
It's also absolutely true that many members of the upper class do not possess the intelligence, drive or ability to have gotten there on their own merits.
So what's your point? :shrug:
The point is, the folks in the upper class are already there - one way or another.
The middle class is f*cked. And there isn't much we can do about it. Giving money away is not the answer - just like anyone, they have to earn it.
But with a free world economy, we can build things as cheaply (or arguably as well) as China and Mexico. And that is where the jobs are for these folks.
Maybe it is time for the immigration stream to change - folks won't be coming here for low level jobs anymore - they will be moving to other countries instead to find work? I realize that is not all that palatable for some, but I guess the world changes - I know it has for me - and we all have to find a way to adapt.
Talking to a lot of guys that run businesses that I know, in the last 3 years government regulation just keeps getting more difficult to deal with. It adds costs and disincents folks from starting new businesses/adding employees. Labor unions are making it harder and harder to turn a profit. Labor is cheaper, regulation is easier to deal with in other countries.
The government (all of it, but especially the current administration) is really doing all it can to shut down business. And that is what is really hurting the middle class and the poor. I truly believe Obama, et al, THINKS they are doing the right thing by adding all the various regulations to the insurance and financial sector. Obama THINKS he is doing the right thing by trying to shut down Boeing in SC - and getting rid of a ton of jobs there.
But Obama is so far over his head and has really, really hurt our economy. But its not surprising given his background. No business experience, his only real experience was a community organizer.
I don't blame companies for moving out and doing business in countries that allow you to breathe. And that is where your middle class went - or should go - to find the jobs.
Yes, I'm headed to France... what don't you meet me there at the Flower shop you have drinks at every night....:mj07:
When Obama pushed through the "stimulus" and bailed out the automakers, he promised that this would keep unemployment at 8% or less.
We are now well over 9%.
He also has passed legislation that has hurt the economy (jobs) - such as Obamacare. I know for a fact that numerous companies had to lay off people due to it. And some companies just got out of the marketplace.
And many businesses, survey after survey have shown, are not hiring/expanding as they are worried about the costs of the bill. As they should be.
You think Medicare/Medicaid costs a lot? Wait till we expand entitlements to 50% or more of the US population (via the prem subsidies). And all of our prems will go up more than if Obamacare was implemented.
Wait and see... :nono:
I agree, the Republicans weakened Obama Care so much that it is really Romney Care which is a gold mine for the insurance companies. Not what we wanted at all.
Bingo. Give that man a cigar.
The best part is Mags knows what a boon to the insurance industry Obamacare will be. How could it not be? :shrug:
Trench - the answer is, it depends.
Yes, it will help the big guys - like United Healthcare.
It will drive most of the small insurance companies out of business.
Some markets, it will help the big insurers - small and large group.
Some markets it will hurt insurers - like the individual marketplace.
It kills agents - takes away most, if not all, of their commissions.
Net effect - it will eliminate many jobs. But that is what Obama's presidency has been all about (unless you are a government worker, that is).
The proof is in the pudding - the unemployment numbers - which he magically turned from 8% three years ago to like 9.2% today.
Yes, Obama is doing a wonderful job. If he gets 4 more years, he may have us up to 15% unemployment!
