Why did Walker pick on the teachers? Why didn't he go across the board with police and firefighters too? :shrug:
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Why did Walker pick on the teachers? Why didn't he go across the board with police and firefighters too? :shrug:
That's where you're wrong company man. I'm not a Democrat. Unlike party lemmings like you, I vote my conscience rather than walking into a voting booth and voting a straight ticket like some mindless zombie. In fact, in 7 general elections, I've only voted for Democrats twice.
What does that make me? An Independent.
I have voted republican twice in my life and I would vote republican again if I thought the candidate was viable.
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Reading through this thread just makes me sick. I would expand my thoughts but I really don't need the authorities coming after me.
It wasn't just the teachers. Those are the most noticeable, because they were the ones callling in sick to work to protest, which made life difficult to families with children (child care last minute, anyone?)
It was all state employees, EXCEPT police and firefighters. The reason he said he didn't include them is because those are 2 professions that he could not afford to have a strike - the state couldn't function without cops and firefighters - even for 1 day. So he didn't want a situation 2 years from now, where they might be bargaining for a contract and go on strike. Or strike day. I'm sure part of it also is that both groups supported him in the Nov election.
Well, I got the Liberal part right! You gotta be, living in Madison. It's like San Fran got picked up and dropped in WI. It is so out of place with the rest of the state in terms of attitudes....
lib?er?al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
?adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
Yes, I'm guilty of all of the above.
Now, when was the last time a Scott Walker fanboy, like yourself, voted for someone who is NOT a Republican?
I'll take my answer off the air. :0corn
Maggot hates everything you believe in, you commie-pinko, bleedin'-heart librul.
Maybe he'll convince you to see the light and embrace those solid American concepts of unfettered capitalism, enforced Christianity, and phony patriotism. With a bit of learnin' you too can become a gay-hating, Muslim-hating, anti-worker, narrow minded, Bible-thumping bigot too.
I certainly allow that I don't live in Wisconsin and didn't follow the pre-issue timeline much. That being said, can you point me to some documented info about any comments or discussion after Walker was elected that verify your comments, and the union's stated position against his plan?
I have found several articles from several outlets documenting there was no official sit-down negotiation or even discussion with the union after he was elected and prior to his bill. I hardly think negotiating through the press and posturing consists of ANY type of good faith bargaining, and to hold the other side responsible for simply responding to a strong political push for support to be a sensible analogy - IF in fact that actually materialized.
Not to mention, to take that a HUGE step forward and throw in the attack on unions - something NOBODY except Walker and his financial backers had in store for the state - definitely adds to the consideration that there were no negotiations, and none of his efforts were done in an above board manner. Quite the opposite.
I guess I would believe it more if you can produce anything to back up your claim - it's entirely possible. Otherwise, I think I understand the issue pretty well. I've found plenty that supports my take on the issue - and nothing to back up the claim you made above. Honestly.
Mags, I would be interested in why you voted for Clinton. Were you then a consultant in the medical insurance field, or if I'm mislabeling you, in that general arena? Weren't you concerned about the highly promoted healthcare overhaul that Hillary was announced to be spearheading? Seems that would be something as motivating as Obama for someone in your field. Not prodding, just curious.
I knew that I was just being a bit sarcastic. Walker is a hypocrite and the more and more I read about the Koch's gets me even more mad. Those guys are unethical assholes.
Kind of an interesting message from Walker - pretty much gives free reign to firefighters and police to ask for whatever they want moving forward... and of course puts teachers in a great light - not being necessary members of the workforce that could be done without for awhile - while at the same time blaming them for not being at work because how badly that hurts the kids, parents, etc. Can you say, hypocrisy?
I'll be very surprised if Wisconsin stays at #2 in the test score rankings with all the support the teachers and ammo the parents and students have to dismiss them and their value moving forward. But, of course, that's certainly not an important thing for some in the state. Thankfully there will be plenty of parents and students that realize the value of the teachers - at least those who are plugged in and give a shit to begin with.
I'll be very surprised if Wisconsin stays at #2 in the test score rankings with all the support the teachers and ammo the parents and students have to dismiss them and their value moving forward. But, of course, that's certainly not an important thing for some in the state. Thankfully there will be plenty of parents and students that realize the value of the teachers - at least those who are plugged in and give a shit to begin with.
Duff,
I work with a guy who's very competent, intelligent and a helluva nice guy. He stops in my office 2 to 3 times a week and we have a short discussion (about half turn into political debates). This guy's never attended a public school. He attended a small Christian K-12 school, then attended one of those Christian colleges in the South.
At any rate, in spite of his intelligence and because of his Christian upbringing, he rejects all science, because most scientific disciplines - Astronomy, Geology, Anthropology, Biology, Physics, Climatology, et. al - run contrary to religious dogma. In our discussions, I find it amazing how his religious (Creationist) views have defined nearly every aspect of his political views.
I was raised in a devout Irish Catholic family but began to question most religious teachings as soon as I was old enough to develop critical thinking skills. So it baffles me how intelligent people, like this fellow, can allow their view of the universe around them to be so defined by religious dogma. Religion is a powerful drug.
Walker went out of his way to tell then current governor Doyle, stop bargaining with these unions, once he won the election.
Doyle stopped.
The unions tried to get to the table with Walker and he FLAT OUT REFUSED! His comments only came through the press. He never even made an attempt to talk with any union. His response through the press was always, "We are broke. We have nothing to bargain with."
As for all these 11th hour concessions he claimed last week? I never heard about any of them! I don't recall the senate being my union negotiators???? If they heard about them, that would be interesting, none the less, they are not our negotiators.
Lastly on this. All of the zombies dancing in the streets over this "vicory"........What did you "win"?
I KNOW what I lost.......but what did you win?
I hear all these fuckheads running around screaming that they've won their independence back, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Really, now? I missed that part in all of cross-eyed Jack's speeches, I guess?
SHOW ME THE MONEY???????
Boy i know these same type of people. It is like some kind of tunnel vision. Just baffles the mind.
Had a very good friend, we went to high school and college together, I introduced her to her husband and we worked together for about 15 years,, I knew she was religious and that was fine. One day we were on the phone talking and she was telling me that she donates 10% of her check to the 700 club. I chuckled and could not believe it. She told me that president Bush was put into office because of GOD to bring piece to the Middle East and I was dumbfounded. I was in shock and she went on and on about it. I told her that i couldn't listen to anymore of the non sense. I would love to ask her what she thinks of the Bush/God theory is now but we don't talk much anymore. i don't want to hear her preach to me.
Also had a GF and we broke up because of religion. We were in our mid 20s and she started to go to church more and more with her mother. The more and more she went the crazier it got. "God takes care of everything." "Everything happens because of God." I am like WTF and she didn't like my beliefs. Even though I was confirmed and baptized and was in youth group, I developed my own opinions in my late teens and none of it makes any fucking sense what so ever. Then she started to not want to use birth control because God decides. I am like you are fucking nuts. You are crazy to think GOd controls the destiny of my sperm.
Why does this happen to people. I think religion and church is good for some people. Gives my old grand mother something to do. It can help troubled people and I am all for that but this crazy religious stuff?
Chad:
Here is a pretty good background article of what went on behind the scenes. It appears that Walker was not bargaining in the press as the Dems were.
I'm sure you won't believe it, as you'll think it is slanted, but it seems pretty plausible to me...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/wisconsin_554095.html
You guys act lke the sky is falling.. it is a nice sunny day in Wisconsin today. And I bet it still will be so a year from now......
The sun will be shining a year from now........and I'll be out about 4 grand, and you won't have realized one red cent.
Tell me again who wins?
