Gruber admitted he knew people were going to lose their existing health insurance pla

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Gruber: I knew people were going to lose their health plans



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By Patrick Howley
?Published December 09, 2014

ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber admitted he knew people were going to lose their existing health insurance plans when he was writing the health care reform law, and he told officials in the Obama administration exactly that.

?I believed that the law would not affect the vast majority of Americans,? Gruber said when asked at Tuesday?s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing whether he knew people would lose their plans. Gruber then repeated his statement.










?It is true that some people would have to upgrade their plans,? Gruber finally admitted under tough questioning from Rep. Tim Walberg.

Walberg then asked Gruber why President Barack Obama told people that if they liked their plans they could keep them when even his own expert told him otherwise.

?I?m not a political adviser and I have no answer to that question,? Gruber said.

?That was part of the calculation? Gruber later said. ?We did model that some individuals would lose their existing plans and move to new forms of coverage?I don?t know the national estimate for how many people lost health insurance, so I don?t know how it compares to what I projected.?

Gruber confirmed that he told administration officials at meetings that people would lose their plans.

?I was present for discussion of those numbers and interpretation of what they meant in terms of how the law would affect individuals,? Gruber said.

Obama previously threw Gruber under the bus, calling him ?some adviser who never worked on our staff? after Gruber?s comments calling the American people ?stupid? and detailing various ObamaCare deceptions came to light.
 

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And Bush knew we were going to be attacked utilizing commercial aircraft and ignored it. Which is more heinous? Seems your panties are in a wad for a pretty petty reason. You don't mind the president letting 3000 citizens get murdered, but God forbid a couple people had to switch health plans. Oh the humanity.

Dumb and dumb post
 

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And Bush knew we were going to be attacked utilizing commercial aircraft and ignored it. Which is more heinous? Seems your panties are in a wad for a pretty petty reason. You don't mind the president letting 3000 citizens get murdered, but God forbid a couple people had to switch health plans. Oh the humanity.

Dumb and dumb post

Meanwhile, Obummer is Droning innocent WOMEN and CHILDREN without the MSM showing the casualties every night.

Nuff Said
 

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And Bush knew we were going to be attacked utilizing commercial aircraft and ignored it. Which is more heinous? Seems your panties are in a wad for a pretty petty reason. You don't mind the president letting 3000 citizens get murdered, but God forbid a couple people had to switch health plans. Oh the humanity.

Dumb and dumb post

"Letting 3k citizens get murdered", ya right.
"A couple people had to switch healthcare plans", Dude you really cant be this stupid !
But thank you for your service
 

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"Letting 3k citizens get murdered", ya right.
"A couple people had to switch healthcare plans", Dude you really cant be this stupid !
But thank you for your service
Stupid how golfer? Exactly how am I fucking stupid?
You think I'm stupid because I stated that Cheney and Bush had several reports of impending attack involving commercial aircraft and that they ignored it? I'm stupid because I reference a WELL DOCUMENTED FACT of an egregious failure by Bush and Cheney? Is it because I find the complaint that "people had to change their plans" ludicrous when millions of seniors were forced to enroll in medicaid part D under Bush thereby being forced to change their health plans, or when every president since Reagan had tried to get some type of health care bill passed and President Obama finally gets it done benefitting millions of people and the you think a few hundred people having to change plans, oftentimes to a better one, is somehow indicative of a failure of his administration. That's a fucking joke and its flat out fucking stupid. What the fuck would you do better golfer? How the fuck so you even know who had to change plans. Did you? I did. Took five minutes and I was done. It's a modern day fucking catastrophe.

Fuck you if you think I'm stupid simply because I don't care for your politics.

I'd suggest you get your facts straight. You can start with the intelligence reports prior to 9/11. Stupid my dying ass.

You know I've tried to be cool to you and you continue to be a dick about shit. I guess that's just the sea you swim in. A sea full ofof

Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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Stupid how golfer? Exactly how am I fucking stupid?
You think I'm stupid because I stated that Cheney and Bush had several reports of impending attack involving commercial aircraft and that they ignored it? I'm stupid because I reference a WELL DOCUMENTED FACT of an egregious failure by Bush and Cheney? Is it because I find the complaint that "people had to change their plans" ludicrous when millions of seniors were forced to enroll in medicaid part D under Bush thereby being forced to change their health plans, or when every president since Reagan had tried to get some type of health care bill passed and President Obama finally gets it done benefitting millions of people and the you think a few hundred people having to change plans, oftentimes to a better one, is somehow indicative of a failure of his administration. That's a fucking joke and its flat out fucking stupid. What the fuck would you do better golfer? How the fuck so you even know who had to change plans. Did you? I did. Took five minutes and I was done. It's a modern day fucking catastrophe.

Fuck you if you think I'm stupid simply because I don't care for your politics.

I'd suggest you get your facts straight. You can start with the intelligence reports prior to 9/11. Stupid my dying ass.

You know I've tried to be cool to you and you continue to be a dick about shit. I guess that's just the sea you swim in. A sea full ofof

Hope this helps,
FDC
Thread is about the healthcare scam and somehow you manage to twist into a blame Bush for this or that.
My question as to your smarts was regarding your statement that a few people had to change health plans, no big deal, which is total fucking bullshit!
 

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When compared to those inconvenienced, which is what we are talking about here, inconvenience, by the medicaid part D fiasco it is no big deal. Your and skull's lack of outrage over that, and the fact that it affected millions more people would indicate that you haven't always thought this to be "fucking bullshit". I would hate to think that you would be taking a hypocritical stance against something. Can you pull up your old posts expressing your outrage then? Can skull I wonder?

Once more, what is fucking bullshit is this propaganda driven ideology of hatred that you and your party have adopted. Relentless ignorance of virtue and ethics dominate your politics and it's fucking bullshit.
 

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When compared to those inconvenienced, which is what we are talking about here, inconvenience, by the medicaid part D fiasco it is no big deal. Your and skull's lack of outrage over that, and the fact that it affected millions more people would indicate that you haven't always thought this to be "fucking bullshit". I would hate to think that you would be taking a hypocritical stance against something. Can you pull up your old posts expressing your outrage then? Can skull I wonder?

Once more, what is fucking bullshit is this propaganda driven ideology of hatred that you and your party have adopted. Relentless ignorance of virtue and ethics dominate your politics and it's fucking bullshit.

So what did you do with your $2500 a year in savings by switching to Obama care?
That was bullshit! My cost have gone up over 20%, and deductible almost double, Thats bullshit! One of many lies by our current Prez.
Yeah, I know its Bush's fault, blah blah blah.
 

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So what did you do with your $2500 a year in savings by switching to Obama care?
That was bullshit! My cost have gone up over 20%, and deductible almost double, Thats bullshit! One of many lies by our current Prez.
Yeah, I know its Bush's fault, blah blah blah.
I paid off some bills and I saved far more than that as a small business owner, but that's not what we were talking about is it? We were waiting on your displays of outrage as posted in here upon learning of the indignities and horrifying stories of inconvenience visited upon our precious senior citizens as a result of the mandatory medicaid part D requirements. That way we can see a consistent attitude towards similar incidents over a time line, which would then lend some credence to what I assert is a dumb post. You see, I don't believe you know anyone other than yourself and maybe some friends with a similar mindset or lack thereof that suffered any real harm whatsoever from having to change plans. So the outrage you express at an issue you seem to think is pandemic loses a little steam once we all realize that your anger is propaganda driven rhetoric, which some refer to as "fucking bullshit".

Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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I paid off some bills and I saved far more than that as a small business owner, but that's not what we were talking about is it? We were waiting on your displays of outrage as posted in here upon learning of the indignities and horrifying stories of inconvenience visited upon our precious senior citizens as a result of the mandatory medicaid part D requirements. That way we can see a consistent attitude towards similar incidents over a time line, which would then lend some credence to what I assert is a dumb post. You see, I don't believe you know anyone other than yourself and maybe some friends with a similar mindset or lack thereof that suffered any real harm whatsoever from having to change plans. So the outrage you express at an issue you seem to think is pandemic loses a little steam once we all realize that your anger is propaganda driven rhetoric, which some refer to as "fucking bullshit".

Hope this helps,
FDC

This thread started out about the Gruber videos ,which back up the fact that your hero Obama lied his ass off(AGAIN). Bottom line most people are paying higher premiums and deductibles. Using 10 years worth of funding to pay for six years worth of coverage, thats bullshit. Keep trying to change the subject and use big words, doesn't change the facts .

18 Trillion and going strong---Hope that helps!
 

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This thread started out about the Gruber videos ,which back up the fact that your hero Obama lied his ass off(AGAIN). Bottom line most people are paying higher premiums and deductibles. Using 10 years worth of funding to pay for six years worth of coverage, thats bullshit. Keep trying to change the subject and use big words, doesn't change the facts .

18 Trillion and going strong---Hope that helps!
So which is it? Is it about the Gruber tapes or is it about people getting screwed by the president and his affordable care act? I haven't heard you mention Gruber once until now, so how did I change the subject when you were never on topic in the first place? Do you ever check any facts before you vomit this shit up?
How does someone else's admission become an indictment of the president? Holy shit.
First of all, throw out all the senseless numbers you want, you have no proof of any of it other than media speculation. More specifically, Fox News speculations, so we can throw those away.
I have no heroes.
Funny how you guys treat one media outlet's numbers as if gospel yet when the CBO puts out jobless rates and numbers it's all bullshit.
Also, I want to commend you on your brilliantly original retort of repeating my "moniker", if you will, that never happens.

Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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So which is it? Is it about the Gruber tapes or is it about people getting screwed by the president and his affordable care act? I haven't heard you mention Gruber once until now, so how did I change the subject when you were never on topic in the first place? Do you ever check any facts before you vomit this shit up?
How does someone else's admission become an indictment of the president? Holy shit.
First of all, throw out all the senseless numbers you want, you have no proof of any of it other than media speculation. More specifically, Fox News speculations, so we can throw those away.
I have no heroes.
Funny how you guys treat one media outlet's numbers as if gospel yet when the CBO puts out jobless rates and numbers it's all bullshit.
Also, I want to commend you on your brilliantly original retort of repeating my "moniker", if you will, that never happens.

Hope this helps,
FDC

Seriously?
This is comical.

Start at the top of the thread. Read the title. See my first two post. :sadwave:

Fox speculations? The Architect of Obamacare admits what most of us already knew to be true. Speculation, HA. I suppose you believed Obama when he initially denied even knowing who Gruber was.

Jobless rate? Never mentioned it here????
Who's changing the conversation now?

One Media outlet, I watch many, including, sometimes your beloved MSNBC, (Are you related to Chris Matthews?)

Thanks for the commendation,
I'm only here to annoy you will be my new moniker.

:sadwave:
 

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I've never watched msnbc or Chris Matthews. Not even one.
The author of the ACA is the Heritage Foundation chief. Again, get your facts straight.
I didn't change the subject about anything. I simply made an observation. Judging by your last few posts I'm sure I won't miss anything by not reading
 
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