There has never been a documented proven fix in pro football or the NBA.The instances where point-shaving have been proven are all college and almost always basketball,where one or two key people can effect the outcome.Sorry you lost,but it wasn't fixed,and it was a losing play on the defending superbowl champion (public play).They'll lose a lot more to the number this year,and have in fact lost two in a row at home currently.It wasn't a fix,it was just a losing play.
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Kosar, I honestly don't know what I've ever done or said to you personally to make me your personal dartboard. The last time this happened I apologized to you here at Madjack's and I thought whatever I had done was over. I will try again. I am very sorry for what ever I have ever said or done to you. I ask for your forgiveness and hope we can move on.I don't know what else I can do to get a break from you:shrug: .
To some of the other's who continue to make this personal, I'm sorry that you can't see my side. I want to say this again and maybe someone will read this before saying the same thing over again. I did not overextend myself on last night's game. It was a 5 unit play for me and I don't wager any more tan I can afford to lose. My money management is documented here so please understand that is not the issue. Quit gambling on pro sport's? I am truly considering it. I hope you understand it's not just what's happening in the NFL the last few weekend's, (and please check,I'm ahead of the game moneywise) it's a trend I see becoming consistant. I would be inclined to quit on what I think is to come. What precident is being shown week in, week out. It's like I don't even understand the game or it's rule's anymore. What's scary is I don't think the official's or the guy's in the booth do either. Having said that, I guess whatever happen's from this point forward should not be questioned. With what has gone on inthe NFL the past couple of week's in particular, I think a precident has been set , that in the long run, will make the masses question it's legitamacy.
To some of the other's who continue to make this personal, I'm sorry that you can't see my side. I want to say this again and maybe someone will read this before saying the same thing over again. I did not overextend myself on last night's game. It was a 5 unit play for me and I don't wager any more tan I can afford to lose. My money management is documented here so please understand that is not the issue. Quit gambling on pro sport's? I am truly considering it. I hope you understand it's not just what's happening in the NFL the last few weekend's, (and please check,I'm ahead of the game moneywise) it's a trend I see becoming consistant. I would be inclined to quit on what I think is to come. What precident is being shown week in, week out. It's like I don't even understand the game or it's rule's anymore. What's scary is I don't think the official's or the guy's in the booth do either. Having said that, I guess whatever happen's from this point forward should not be questioned. With what has gone on inthe NFL the past couple of week's in particular, I think a precident has been set , that in the long run, will make the masses question it's legitamacy.
I think Nolan said it right. I mentioned it yesteray in other thread. If a NFL game is going to be fixed you have to get to some very high played players to do so. I dont think some of the lower payed ones can change a game very much. But the week link is the low payed Ref's. At least they think they are low payed considering those they are Refing for. I was a high school Ref for 20 years. And yes I had the power to change the out come of a game. Never ever would I do that. But NFL Ref offered a great sum I don't know. I do know other sports have had this happen. So can it, hell yes. Did it last night or in Philly this weekend. Who knows forsure.
MJB, I love your picks, and you are one of the best guys on here, but please, for the love of all things, please learn how to use apostrophes. It is maddening reading your post. I think I am going to have a seizure.
guys chill and stop assaulting the chubber... while i don't agree that the game was fixed in any way he's no sorry everyday loser and that should earn him at least as much respect to not bash him like u do... look at his record that's what we're here for...
the point i think we can agree on is: it's games like this one yesterday that show why it's called gambling. a perfect example why u should manage your bankroll
i was in a football-chatroom yesterday and asked if anyone bet the under37 when it was 35-28 ... what followed was a lot of lols
take care
the point i think we can agree on is: it's games like this one yesterday that show why it's called gambling. a perfect example why u should manage your bankroll
i was in a football-chatroom yesterday and asked if anyone bet the under37 when it was 35-28 ... what followed was a lot of lols
take care
I am kidding with the Chubber. I love the guy, he is great, a real class act. Everyone has their own opinion.
what amazes me
what amazes me
is some poor s.o.b. takes the bad beat of a lifetime....starts his own thread for a little "scream therapy",and he gets accosted by guys who have been there,i`m sure,themselves many times but seem to get their jollies by having to rub salt in the wound....fixed or not fixed......who cares....cut the guy some slack....
maybe many perceive it as crying.....o.k.,point made....now give it a rest....
everybody wants to throw their t.v. through the window when they lose a game like that...most get along on this forum pretty well....you think he`s stupid for crying fix....maybe he is...
my question is,why are so many in here getting off on raining on this guy`s parade...some sort of gratification?....
for god`s sake....let this thread die...let the guy get it out of his system without all the santimonious "i know i`m right" b.s...
this looks like a thread from the prescription forum....
what amazes me
is some poor s.o.b. takes the bad beat of a lifetime....starts his own thread for a little "scream therapy",and he gets accosted by guys who have been there,i`m sure,themselves many times but seem to get their jollies by having to rub salt in the wound....fixed or not fixed......who cares....cut the guy some slack....
maybe many perceive it as crying.....o.k.,point made....now give it a rest....
everybody wants to throw their t.v. through the window when they lose a game like that...most get along on this forum pretty well....you think he`s stupid for crying fix....maybe he is...
my question is,why are so many in here getting off on raining on this guy`s parade...some sort of gratification?....
for god`s sake....let this thread die...let the guy get it out of his system without all the santimonious "i know i`m right" b.s...
this looks like a thread from the prescription forum....
I agree with michaeljbird. I believe there are several games fixed every week in every sport. Just watch how they play when the point spread is in question. It is obvius.
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The current pay scale has first-year officials making $24,825, fifth-year officials making $30,465, 10-year officials making $40,479, 15-year officials making $53,565 and 20-year officials making $69,990.
If anyone is tempted to fix a game it would be the refs. It seems they would be the easiest to get to with large money offers.
The only thing is that the kind of people that would making the offers, if things didnt go just right we might read about a bullet to the head. I know Nolan would enjoy that much.
There just seems no way that Gruden would have allowed that kind of play from his team at home. It was disgracefull. I have never never seen Gruden coach like that.
He knows how to put teams away. Too many crazy things happened and he seemed like just another observer.
I will make a promise with myself. The next time that there is found to be a fix in the NFL on any team or circumstance that comes out, I will never never play NFL games again.
The dirty bastids got my money !
KOD
Re: what amazes me
Re: what amazes me
Re: what amazes me
That sums it up perfectly. We are above what they do over there. We don't want to turn into them. There are dozens of places like that, and very few places like this. Let's clean it up and get back to 'capping the games.gardenweasel said:
Can I ask one more simple question please? We live in a world where
* popular multi-millionaire athlete's have killed people( as in their ex wife and friend's and chauffer driver's)
* have raped people ( some convicted and 1 who is about to go to trial)
*NFL quarterback in prison for gambling( Art Schliester)
*The greatest hitter of all-time banned from baseball and the HOF for gambling
*The greatest basketball player of all time left the game for baseball over gambling allegation's
*Numerous college player's have been imprisoned and forfeited their entire career (Teddy Dupay-Florida) the most recent
and some of you are outraged I think the game Monday wasn't on the square. Can someone explain that to me please. I placed a couple of link's in Countinguy's thread that is also good reading. Guy's like Lem Banker (probably the biggest and best professional gambler of all time)who have confirmed NFL game tampering. This is a forum where we share gambling information is it not? Why is it so offensive to some of you that it could have happened last night?
* popular multi-millionaire athlete's have killed people( as in their ex wife and friend's and chauffer driver's)
* have raped people ( some convicted and 1 who is about to go to trial)
*NFL quarterback in prison for gambling( Art Schliester)
*The greatest hitter of all-time banned from baseball and the HOF for gambling
*The greatest basketball player of all time left the game for baseball over gambling allegation's
*Numerous college player's have been imprisoned and forfeited their entire career (Teddy Dupay-Florida) the most recent
and some of you are outraged I think the game Monday wasn't on the square. Can someone explain that to me please. I placed a couple of link's in Countinguy's thread that is also good reading. Guy's like Lem Banker (probably the biggest and best professional gambler of all time)who have confirmed NFL game tampering. This is a forum where we share gambling information is it not? Why is it so offensive to some of you that it could have happened last night?
MJB - One question for you. If you really do feel this is such a terrible world (all that raping and murdering and gambling and game-fixing and jay-walking going on)....then WHY DO YOU STILL BET THE GAMES? If you truly believe the games are fixed, why wouldn't you get as far the hell away from the betting world as possible???
Ok, that's 2 questions.
I think maybe you're right, you should quit, and therefore you'll never get burned again. That is unless you can tap into these fixes. Then you can clean up HUGE. Otherwise it's just not smart to be betting, is it?
Ok, that's 2 questions.
I think maybe you're right, you should quit, and therefore you'll never get burned again. That is unless you can tap into these fixes. Then you can clean up HUGE. Otherwise it's just not smart to be betting, is it?
GM, it's not neccesary to be so condesending. I will try to answer your question. Why do I gamble? Well I've been doing it for 30 year's and for the most part it has been alot of fun, financially successful,and I have alway's loved doing the reasearch to find opportunities a linesmaker may have missed. I've alway's enjoyed sport's. Playing different sport's all my life,and watching them on the weekend's. When I was a boy growing up, athlete's were my hero's. Sure there were some stinker's but for the most part they were great people as well as athlete's. I have a whole room in my home full of autograph's I personally recieved from some of the biggest name's in sport's. You know, before they charged $500 for a signed 8 x 10 like they do today. Do I think the sport's world is full of corruption? Well yes I do. Thing's have changed for gambler's the past few year's with the internet and offshore wagering. A guy like me used to have an edge if you did your research to find those game's to bet on. Now information is everywhere. Casino's are everywhere. You an get a bet down, almost anywhere. It's like a circus. When I started gambling, no one had ever heard of a over/ under. Now they are up on every game. You can bet prop's on most every game. It's big business my friend. The truth of the matter is every one has their finger in the pie.I know I'm rambling a little but it sadden's me to even consider giving up what I have loved for all my life, but with the precident being set in the game's being played now, I am certainly considering it. Heck the people that are calling the game's don't even know the rule's anymore. That goes for the one's in the replay booth as well. I hope that answer's your question. I'm just sharing my heart with someone/ anyone who may feel the same way. It is a little disturbing you can't do that here as an adult without getting fleeced.
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I think it might be time for you to throw in the towel, buddy. You appear to be having a core meltdown. If you do choose to continue betting, please remember not to overextend yourself again on one game.
mj
SAY IT AINT SO. JOE !
Eight Men Out: The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series
"I vaguely knew about just what happened during the 1919 World Series, but after reading this I found that there was more to what happened than just eight players throwing the Series for money. Eliot Asinof does a marvelous job of gathering information on the events leading up to and following the 1919 World Series. He recounts how the scandal came about, through the five of seven games the White Sox lost, through the investigation and court proceedings, up to the lives of the eight banished players after baseball. Throughout the book I tried to figure out just who in fact was/were the scapegoat(s) -- Comiskey, the players, or the gamblers -- yet after finishing the book I realize that all are to blame. Though one could argue that Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver should have been reinstated, the fact is that both, even though they may not have participated, allowed the conspiracy to take place by not telling their manager "Kid" Gleason or Comiskey.
There is a scene in the movie "Eight Men Out" where Eddie Cicotte is shown a baseball that would be used the next season. After watching the movie, I had a thought: during the late 1910s the book explains how baseball attendance was notably declining. To bring back the crowds, a different type of baseball was used beginning in the early 1920s--a ball woven tighter for the purposes of traveling farther when hit. (Cicotte noticed this when holding the ball.) This coincided with the launching of Babe Ruth as a baseball icon due to his home-run hitting abilities. As a result, he may have been single-handedly responsible for restoring interest in baseball. Baseball experienced another lull in attendance in late 1994 as the strike approached, and also early in 1995. What did baseball do to bring back the fans? Well, though some speculate that baseballs were juiced in the late 1990s, I can say this: Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in 1996; he never had another season in his career where he hit more than 25."
KOD
SAY IT AINT SO. JOE !
Eight Men Out: The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series
"I vaguely knew about just what happened during the 1919 World Series, but after reading this I found that there was more to what happened than just eight players throwing the Series for money. Eliot Asinof does a marvelous job of gathering information on the events leading up to and following the 1919 World Series. He recounts how the scandal came about, through the five of seven games the White Sox lost, through the investigation and court proceedings, up to the lives of the eight banished players after baseball. Throughout the book I tried to figure out just who in fact was/were the scapegoat(s) -- Comiskey, the players, or the gamblers -- yet after finishing the book I realize that all are to blame. Though one could argue that Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver should have been reinstated, the fact is that both, even though they may not have participated, allowed the conspiracy to take place by not telling their manager "Kid" Gleason or Comiskey.
There is a scene in the movie "Eight Men Out" where Eddie Cicotte is shown a baseball that would be used the next season. After watching the movie, I had a thought: during the late 1910s the book explains how baseball attendance was notably declining. To bring back the crowds, a different type of baseball was used beginning in the early 1920s--a ball woven tighter for the purposes of traveling farther when hit. (Cicotte noticed this when holding the ball.) This coincided with the launching of Babe Ruth as a baseball icon due to his home-run hitting abilities. As a result, he may have been single-handedly responsible for restoring interest in baseball. Baseball experienced another lull in attendance in late 1994 as the strike approached, and also early in 1995. What did baseball do to bring back the fans? Well, though some speculate that baseballs were juiced in the late 1990s, I can say this: Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in 1996; he never had another season in his career where he hit more than 25."
KOD
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kosar
I love the way you assume that mj lost big on the Tampa game.
You don't know what he lost and its no ones business.
For you to comment on his emotional status is incomprehensible.
You are missing the point entirely as usual.
Use your soothsaying abilitys to post a few plays and then you got room to talk.
KOD
Kosar, what is it man? I know you read my post a couple before this one ,where the entire first paragraph is directed to you as an apology to whatever I've ever done to you. Are you just a cruel person?
Scotty,
What is the point that i'm missing?
Jbird,
I saw your other post, but you have nothing to apologize for. Nobody has anything to apologize to me for. Well, maybe Nolan Dalla and JSmooth for each of them stiffing me for 500 bucks, but I digress. It's just that every year during football season, this fix crap gets starts up. And after a weird game like monday nights, it turns into an avalanche. I think that people that cry fix are whiners, sore losers and need not gamble if they can't handle a bad beat.
I think that you need to take a break, man. I'm worried about you a little bit.
What is the point that i'm missing?
Jbird,
I saw your other post, but you have nothing to apologize for. Nobody has anything to apologize to me for. Well, maybe Nolan Dalla and JSmooth for each of them stiffing me for 500 bucks, but I digress. It's just that every year during football season, this fix crap gets starts up. And after a weird game like monday nights, it turns into an avalanche. I think that people that cry fix are whiners, sore losers and need not gamble if they can't handle a bad beat.
I think that you need to take a break, man. I'm worried about you a little bit.
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kosar
The point that your missing is that mj is a respected capper here that has won alot more games than he has lost. There has been all kind of chubby chubby .
We care about him. I care about him.
We don't want him to leave unless thats the best thing for him.
There is no need to make remarks like the bad beat statement.
This thing we call gambling will get to you once in awhile and it usually means its time for a break. And whether they come back later or not at all its ok by me if thats the best thing for them.
The other point is if you dont believe that the Tampa game had some very strange chit going on starting at half-time and then also at the end, then you didnt see the game. I dont think I have ever said fix since I been here but this just wasnt right. Maybe thats why there was so much confusion by the refs. Maybe it was stress related.
"I think it might be time for you to throw in the towel, buddy. You appear to be having a core meltdown."/kosar
How would you describe this core meltdown ?
Maybe you didnt mean it exactly the way you said it.
After all its just someone expressing his views.
Well, money talks and ducks walk.
And to quote a famous madjacker who said " I don't care if the games are fixed I will just try and bet the side its fixed to. "
I have to agree with that statement because I aint quitting.
KOD
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I'm worried about him also, Scotty, that's why I posted. I agree with you that he should take some time off and that it's getting to him. I'm sure that if and when he comes back, his chubby plays will be bigger and better for the bettor than ever.
