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Terryray

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...I just don't see how it could possibly make that kind of sense to spread it across that many plays...unless, of course, it was really chump change that you were playing with.

heck, I've bet and posted here to a 102-72 ATS record in just NCAAFB alone this season! (less said about the NFL record, and the chump change, the better:rolleyes: )

but this system I'm working might just be better at 10 or so 'best bets'- which would be much easier to work and post, for sure...

and one advantage of spreading "it across that many plays" is that the risk is spread also, the roller coaster ride top and down is less.

Yup, echoing the Moran from Colorado, I started my sportsbetting education years ago reading pieces from J. R. Miller:


"Professional sports bettors, by comparison, rarely sustain a long term winning percentage higher than 57 or 58 percent, and it's often as low as 54 or 55 percent. People find that hard to believe, and they understandably get even more skeptical when told that, for a genuine professional-level sports bettor, a long term winning expectation of 60% or more is actually too high.

That last paragraph sounds crazy at first, but as crazy as it may seem there is a simple explanation: If a bettor has five bets on a given day, risking $110 to win $100 on each bet, and wins three of them, that's a great winning ratio of 60% and a net profit for the day of 80 dollars. (The bettor wins $300 and loses 220 dollars.) If another bettor has fourteen bets on that same day, risking $110 to win $100 on each one, and wins eight of them, that's a much poorer winning percentage of only 57%, - but almost twice as much profit for the day of 140 dollars. (The bettor wins $800 and loses 660 dollars.)

The second bettor was not necessarily less skilled at picking winners than the first bettor; the second bettor may simply have chosen to apply all his advantages - including those which had less than a 60% chance of winning in the first place. If the ultimate goal is to make money, it is obvious which of those two bettors was more successful. The real goal is, of course, to make money. The measure of success of a sports handicapper is not his percentage of winning bets, but the relative amount of profit he made over any given period of time.

Although there are, indeed, propositions that offer more than a 60% expectation of winning, such propositions are relatively few and far between, and are only a very small part of the overall picture. With the break-even point at about 53%, genuine professional bettors know there is no tenable excuse to pass up propositions offering expectations of higher than, say, 55 percent. A small advantage applied over and over is awesomely effective."
 

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This is no different than hanging out in a bar, except there are no drinks being served.

You hear a million guys talking about what they bet, and what the bet on.

(And the same guys can't find their checkbooks when they owe $50 to someone on here......go figure.)

To take YYZ's point and run a bit with it....

As much as some people want to believe those who post that they play 2 dimes or more per game on 10-15 plays a week, the reality is they most likely don't. You have to remind yourself that this is cyberspace....you can be whomever you want to be and wager whatever you want and I can choose to believe you or not....Its like YYZ said--this place is like a bar--only if some jaggoff is running his mouth in a bar about how he bets 2 dimes a game; you, the guy that DOES wager 2 dimes a game can offer to bet him juice free on a game you mutually agree on. Then you can find out if the dude really does wager 2 dimes a game or if he is just a braggart...
of course, he could agree to the bet then not pay you when you win.....:shrug:
 

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That being said, I don't bet much. I had my run at a younger age when I would fire up to $1,000. Now? My standard bet is $25-$50. Can I afford more, absolutely, but that isn't the point.

How can you make that drop in wager amount and still get a thrill from those bets?
 

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How can you make that drop in wager amount and still get a thrill from those bets?

I'll pose a guess on this question. For a guy like agent (and we are similar on this one), it is more important to be RIGHT than it is to be paid sometimes.

I get a feeling that this applies to him more than me but probably not much.

:0corn
 

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I don't care about wins and losses when the service I use rates there plays. I can be 4 - 6 and still be up or I can be 6 - 4 and be down $$$. I post my plays with how much I actually put on them. Really no reason for it other than one service that I use ranks by stars and the other by units so I try to convert the stars to units but I just post the dollar amount. The amount I am posting is the actual amount that I am playing. No lying about that.

I have been on this site since March and I have been following these two services since then.. I wouldn't post there plays if I didn't think those who followed would win. I also follow / check certain posts and if my service matches plays with certain cappers on this site then I may play it for more.
 

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How can you make that drop in wager amount and still get a thrill from those bets?

I didn't bet a grand on a regular basis. My regular bets were $100-200, but several times I did the ole double or nothing right before payday. Like if I was up $500, I would bet $500 on 1 game. Or, if I was down, I tried the same thing. Without getting into a long story, it all changed for me on Thanksgiving several years ago when I went all in on a Pacer game (Captain Morgan was my betting partner). Here I was sitting with the family and was supposed to be having fun, and I'm sweating my bag off in this game. Actually went and threw up once and it wasn't from the Cranberry Salad! Decided right then and there things had to change.

Dawgball hit the nail on the head, it's as much about trying to beat the game as it is making $$$. I have an awesome local who doesn't charge juice on $25 bets. If I win, at the end of the year I take the $$$ and do something fun. :shrug: $50 still keeps me interested in the games, but doesn't keep me up at night if I take a beat.
 

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I have a friend who bets EVERY game-college & pro. He is nuts. I think it is up to each person to deceie how many games and how much. I only bet college and bet about 12-15 games from Thurs thru Saturday. The older I get the less games I seem to bet. Don't do it for a living-jusut for fun and the competition. I bet the same $$ amount on each game.
 

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I didn't bet a grand on a regular basis. My regular bets were $100-200, but several times I did the ole double or nothing right before payday. Like if I was up $500, I would bet $500 on 1 game. Or, if I was down, I tried the same thing. Without getting into a long story, it all changed for me on Thanksgiving several years ago when I went all in on a Pacer game (Captain Morgan was my betting partner). Here I was sitting with the family and was supposed to be having fun, and I'm sweating my bag off in this game. Actually went and threw up once and it wasn't from the Cranberry Salad! Decided right then and there things had to change.

Dawgball hit the nail on the head, it's as much about trying to beat the game as it is making $$$. I have an awesome local who doesn't charge juice on $25 bets. If I win, at the end of the year I take the $$$ and do something fun. :shrug: $50 still keeps me interested in the games, but doesn't keep me up at night if I take a beat.


Did you win that game?
 

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Ill add to this a little bit also..

I use to bet 5-10 team parlays and not even remember what I had in each one. Flipping through the channels, staring at my computer every minute. Getting pissed then happy after one inning.

Then I use to have to bet a game regardless if I had no idea who would win. It was just for the action. I lost a lot of money for a long time.

I could win 5k in 2 weeks time and blow it in one weekend of football.

I couldnt imagine following someone who bets that many games when I use to do it and get killed.
 

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I'll pose a guess on this question. For a guy like agent (and we are similar on this one), it is more important to be RIGHT than it is to be paid sometimes.

I get a feeling that this applies to him more than me but probably not much.

:0corn

I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but this post really resonates with me. The absolute WORST feeling for me is not betting on a game, then finding out I would have won if I had actually bet it. Absolutely kills me. I would much rather play a game and lose, then miss out on what could have/should have been a winner. I hate being right, yet not getting paid for it.

My other quirk is that I have a very hard time watching games I bet on. And it has nothing to do with wager size. It wouldn't matter if I had $10 on a game; I'm so damn competitive that I can't enjoy the game because I'm scrutinizing and agonizing over every play. I've been told 1,000 times I should have been a coach because my 'side' could play a damn near perfect game, yet afterwards I'm complaining about the things they did wrong.

I've always found it funny/ironic that these boards probably make me look a lot more intense than I really am. For the most part I'm pretty laid back, but sports and sports handicapping bring out a totally different side of me.
 

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i do alot of if bets and great money mangment
that way you can bet alot of games and its safe
your first games wins and you good to go:00hour
craib is great for if bet or if bet parlay:00hour
 

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Didn't this happen to Brandon in 90210 back in 92? 10K on the Lakers or some shit?

Seriously though, I think you said it best, it's about winning, not the monetary gain.

Well put.

Yeah, but Ned(owner of the Peach Pit), paid the debt and put Brandon on a payment plan to pay him back.

He didn't tell Brandon, though. So the bookie and a thug show up at the Peach Pit where brandon was working and grab Brandon and take him out in the alley. He's scared shitless and they start to throw a punch, then pull up and say, 'you're really lucky you have such a good friend.'

Taught Brandon a much needed lesson.

A true cautionary tale about the dangers of gambling.

Good call, woodson.
 

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Yeah, but Ned(owner of the Peach Pit), paid the debt and put Brandon on a payment plan to pay him back.

He didn't tell Brandon, though. So the bookie and a thug show up at the Peach Pit where brandon was working and grab Brandon and take him out in the alley. He's scared shitless and they start to throw a punch, then pull up and say, 'you're really lucky you have such a good friend.'

Taught Brandon a much needed lesson.

A true cautionary tale about the dangers of gambling.

Good call, woodson.

how about when Kelly Kapowski started turning tricks to pay off her gambling debts?
 

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Yeah, but Ned(owner of the Peach Pit), paid the debt and put Brandon on a payment plan to pay him back.

He didn't tell Brandon, though. So the bookie and a thug show up at the Peach Pit where brandon was working and grab Brandon and take him out in the alley. He's scared shitless and they start to throw a punch, then pull up and say, 'you're really lucky you have such a good friend.'

Taught Brandon a much needed lesson.

A true cautionary tale about the dangers of gambling.

Good call, woodson.
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Yeah, but Ned(owner of the Peach Pit), paid the debt and put Brandon on a payment plan to pay him back.

He didn't tell Brandon, though. So the bookie and a thug show up at the Peach Pit where brandon was working and grab Brandon and take him out in the alley. He's scared shitless and they start to throw a punch, then pull up and say, 'you're really lucky you have such a good friend.'

Taught Brandon a much needed lesson.

A true cautionary tale about the dangers of gambling.

Good call, woodson.


Indeed. Though the owner of the Peach Pit, and the adjacent "After-Dark" which Dylan Mc Kay ended up owning, was "Nat" not "Ned" :shrug:

You may also fondly recall Brandon at a charity "casino night" contintuously asking for more chips and losing at blackjack, much to the shagrin of his girlfriend Susan who called him out on his addicition, but I digress......Good thread actually, have a few things to say myself
 
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