Hard-core conservative Cal Thomas writes about current government spending

kosar

Centrist
Forum Member
Nov 27, 1999
11,112
55
0
ft myers, fl
Not so long ago, in a country that now seems far, far away, Ronald Reagan told the nation: "we don't have deficits because people are taxed too little. We have deficits because big government spends too much."

He uttered those words in a year when Democrats controlled the House (the body in which spending legislation originates) and the national debt, according to the Bureau of Public Debt, was $2.3 trillion.

Last week, a Republican Senate voted to raise the debt ceiling to nearly $9 trillion. Senators quickly passed a record $2.8 trillion budget. What would Reagan say now? He said then, ".the federal deficit is outrageous. For years I've asked that we stop pushing onto our children the excesses of our government." He called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution and labeled the budget process a "sorry spectacle." That Republicans are outspending the most reckless 1980s Democrat (and 1960s Great Society Democrats and 1940s FDR Democrats) is the sorriest spectacle of all.


The Senate vote increased the debt ceiling for the fourth time in five years. The statutory debt limit has now risen by more than $3 trillion since President Bush took office. That any Republican majority could preside over such fiscally irresponsible spending ought to be grounds for revoking their party membership.

This is mostly about politics, not terrorism. Republicans fear that only gobs of money will endear them to voters in sufficient numbers to re-elect their increasingly precarious majority. Why should Republicans be re-elected when one of the major reasons the GOP exists is to reduce the size and cost of government and free more people to do for themselves instead of restricting their liberties through costly and overreaching big government?

Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican, rightly blamed out-of-control spending on his colleagues' political nervousness: "They want to go and say they are helping people, but we are not helping people when we are selling out their future."

DeMint might have added that it doesn't help people to cause them to rely on and pay for ever-expanding government. Such a policy stifles initiative and personal responsibility and discourages incentive. It goes against the "Puritan ethic" that was one of America's foundational principles.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, observed, "This budget could be the final nail in our coffin if we don't watch it." Graham said Republican spending habits are demoralizing voters: "I don't think we properly understand the keys to our electoral success."

Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania Republican, defended spending an additional $7 billion for health and education programs, claiming those areas have lacked money in recent years. Is he kidding? The Bush administration has sired the biggest new entitlement program in history - a prescription drug benefit for the elderly. And let's not forget "No Child Left Behind," which massively increased federal education spending when there is no evidence of a connection between money and academic achievement.

Perhaps the real culprit is not Congress, but us. The Pew Research Center poll of March 14 found that only 55 percent of Americans rate the deficit as a "top priority." That contrasts with the 1990s when the deficit resonated more strongly with voters. As long as we are willing to take the money in exchange for our votes, politicians will give it to us. This must change, not only because we are in debt up to our eyeballs, but also because many of the note holders are, or might become, our enemies.

Means testing for all government programs and term limits for Congress are the answer to never-ending debt, but neither is likely to happen.

Reagan said his favorite president was Calvin Coolidge. In 1923, when Coolidge was vice president, he said, "After order and liberty, economy is one of the highest essentials of a free government."

Coolidge left the presidency with a surplus. So did Bill Clinton. That a Republican Congress and administration are engaging in such promiscuous spending is obscene. If voting in Democrats -who in the past engaged in deficit spending - punishes Republicans, little will change. What to do?

Maybe it's time for a strong third party, or failing that, another revolution.

Cal Thomas is the co-author of Blinded By Might.

Copyright
 

Nosigar

53%
Forum Member
Jul 5, 2000
2,487
9
0
Florida
Agree. If Republicans wanna continue to be viewed as conservatives, things gotta change.... in a hurry. If not, they're almost the same chit.


This is mostly about politics, not terrorism. Republicans fear that only gobs of money will endear them to voters in sufficient numbers to re-elect their increasingly precarious majority. Why should Republicans be re-elected when one of the major reasons the GOP exists is to reduce the size and cost of government and free more people to do for themselves instead of restricting their liberties through costly and overreaching big government?
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
Country is so ripe for a 3rd party. There are many Republicans I like, but not many of them have stood up to the administration. Time for a mutiny.

Then again, when you observe Cheney tell Paul Wellstone that he will suffer "dire consequences" for opposing Bush on Iraq - then a month later Wellstone and his entire family are killed when his plane mysteriously goes down ....ehh, I guess it makes you think twice abiout standing up.
 

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
Maybe it's time Jesse Ventura cut off all the facial braids, got back in the political arena and teamed up with Ted Nugent to form a blood-red party or some such thing.

Actually, the Cheney/Nugent Hunting Party would be a pretty powerful duo in some circles.

Shall we start the Letterman Top 10 3rd Party combo list now?
 

AR182

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 9, 2000
18,654
87
0
Scottsdale,AZ
Maybe it's time for a strong third party, or failing that, another revolution.

i would love for a 3rd party.....

and i think giuliani would be a perfect choice....

sorry chadman....

i wouldn't vote for ventura for dog catcher.....
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
Chadman said:
Shall we start the Letterman Top 10 3rd Party combo list now?
Good idea. I'm thinking Newt Gingrich's sister and Rosie O'donnell go well together.

Bush-Abdullah '08! Why mess around, that's who we voted for the last 2 elections...
Bush&Abdullah.jpg

gaaaaaaad, our prez is such a tool.
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
AR182 said:
...or failing that, another revolution.
dude, you been hanging out with dawgball or something? conservatives have gotten all liberal whacko on me lately.
 

bjfinste

Registered User
Forum Member
Mar 14, 2001
5,462
18
0
AZ
Saul- he was quoting the article, not actually calling for a revolution! :)
 

kosar

Centrist
Forum Member
Nov 27, 1999
11,112
55
0
ft myers, fl
smurphy said:
dude, you been hanging out with dawgball or something? conservatives have gotten all liberal whacko on me lately.

He was quoting the author. He hasn't figured out how to use the quote feature yet in his 6 years here.
 

AR182

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 9, 2000
18,654
87
0
Scottsdale,AZ
He was quoting the author. He hasn't figured out how to use the quote feature yet in his 6 years here.

you got that right.....but please don't make fun of us who are challenged........

and please murph...don't refer to me as a conservative.....i'm part of the 40% or so who are moderates..........
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
At least DTB puts a barrier down to keep the groceries separated. Sorry, AR.

Moderate - yeah right - we're all just a bunch of moderates up in this mutha.
 

Nosigar

53%
Forum Member
Jul 5, 2000
2,487
9
0
Florida
smurphy said:
Moderate - yeah right - we're all just a bunch of moderates up in this mutha.

I ain't no moderate. I'm a proud conservative.

Centrists or moderates, in my humble opinion, simply don't know the facts, also theyll as wish to avoid conflict and maintain some degree of the status quo.

Of course, liberals ar simply f'***'d up :SIB
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
Was that a Freudian slip, spelling "are" like that? Cuz if you got a problem with AR ....well, I guess Phoenix is becoming the madjacks fight mecca.

So Mr. willing to confront all conflicts with force - please tell us of your star-spangled war experience. ....I'm willing to go out on a limb and say you aint got none - same with Manson et all. Cuz 95% of those who do come away with an entirely different attitude. You definitely don't hear DTB throwing around that kind of junk. You, Bush, Cheney, Manson and the rest of the chickenhawks are an embarrasment. All flag waving rhetoric, but no brains or judgement whatsoever.

....That is just my uninformed f*d up opinion. Feel free to become furious.
 

kosar

Centrist
Forum Member
Nov 27, 1999
11,112
55
0
ft myers, fl
smurphy said:
At least DTB puts a barrier down to keep the groceries separated. Sorry, AR.

Not sure what this comment specifically refers to, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

The LATEST situation goes as follows:

I have 3 or 4 items in the express lane. Only one person is behind me, a tiny old lady who has a carton of juice. She puts in on the belt AT LEAST two feet behind my items.

She stretches across the belt trying to reach a stick, but fails. She misses by a few inches. She then asks me to get one. I do, and she places it in between our groceries.

AS IF THE CLERK DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS WHOSE.

It's not just little old ladies. It's everybody. IF THERE IS F*CKING SPACE BETWEEN THE ITEMS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

I refuse to ever use a stick. I constantly see the panic in whoever is behind me if there isn't a stick in between. As if the clerk is going to run the belt the whole way down, scan all the shit from 5 different people without anyone saying anything, and leaving it to us to figure out who owes who what.

Smurphy, is this you? Are you like this?
 

bjfinste

Registered User
Forum Member
Mar 14, 2001
5,462
18
0
AZ
Kosar, what's even worse is what I just experienced tonight. I go to buy two bottles of wine for tomorrow and a pizza to eat during the games tonight. 80-year old lady is in front of me buying some radishes or some other veggie. Busts out the ol' checkbook. Now, she's getting up there in years, so her ability to write with a pen for her purchase of $3.17 isn't what it used to be. After finishing the check, she balances her checkbook before ripping the check out to give to the cashier. It takes like five full minutes for her to buy her radishes. Sorta defeats the purpose of the "express" lane. When I use a check card, it takes about 20 seconds to go through. Just a little pet peeve of mine.
 

kosar

Centrist
Forum Member
Nov 27, 1999
11,112
55
0
ft myers, fl
Yes, that's simply ridiculous, BJ. Happens all the time here and although I am very laid back, i'm not sure I can take it anymore.

My annoyance nadir was reached about a year or two ago when some lady, at a 7-11, said that she needed 3 seperate checks for three different types of cigarettes that she bought. I almost punched her.
 

AR182

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 9, 2000
18,654
87
0
Scottsdale,AZ
murphy....

i'm hurt that you don't think that i'm a moderate....next time i see i'll show you my voting card that shows i'm an independent....

as i said a few times...some issues i lean towards the conservative side & some towards the more liberal side....


"Centrists or moderates, in my humble opinion, simply don't know the facts, also theyll as wish to avoid conflict and maintain some degree of the status quo."

i like to think that moderates are more open to different ideas & don't blindly follow their respective parties....

bjfiniste....

you're first mistake is buying pizza in a grocery store.....that's like eating cardboard with tomato sauce......
 
Last edited:

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
Those Cali Pizza Kitchen frozen pizzas are real good. Spicy Thai Chicken - top notch - me so hungry.
 

djv

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 4, 2000
13,817
17
0
I can see a MC Cain as Pres. With a Dem congress and together a heck of a lot better run country.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top