Has a Cop ever searched your car on a stop ?

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The other thread about guns got me to thinking about this and I was wondering if anyone has been in this situation.

I watch Cops on TV all the time. So many instances where the cop will start out with,
do you have any tanks, guns, drugs, in your car?

Civilian - Uh no

Cop - then you don't mind if I search it right.

Lets say you have a gun in your car but no permit. In most states its allowed in glove box or out in the open on the seat as long as your not a felon or something. I guess you could say no, but lieing to cops is not good.

I have never been asked this by a cop but they seem to do it routinely on the Cops show.

If you say ... No way I know my civil rights.

Then they call the drug dogs or make you wait while they get a warrant ?

Or would there be times when they just backed off and let you go ? Somehow I doubt it.

I know they have a gut instinct about it, but it really seems unfair at times when they do it on every stop.

The people on that show have got to be idiots to carry drugs and paraphinalia in their cars. I guess they are addicts and just cant help themselves.
 
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scott...

as you probably know my wife is canadian.i once was driving up to see her with a friend in a rented car. when we got to the border, the agents found a joint in my friend's marlboro box. they brought us in separate rooms, stripped search us (even looked up our asses) & practically took the rented vehicle apart looking for other drugs....which they didn't find.after about 3 hours we had a to pay a $250 fine right on the spot in order to leave...
 
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damn

They were looking pretty hard to look in a marlboro box .

I guess over the years they know all the good places to hide stuff in a car.

Oh yeh officer, I do have a joint I keep up my
ars :shrug: :shrug: wtf
 

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damn

They were looking pretty hard to look in a marlboro box .

I guess over the years they know all the good places to hide stuff in a car.

Oh yeh officer, I do have a joint I keep up my
ars :shrug: :shrug: wtf

scott....

my friend left the marlboro box on the front dashboard....
 

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MR AR , Hold still , I think I found a
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Traffic Stop Scenario


In any given traffic stop, with a few notable exceptions, the below rules will help protect your civil rights and improve your chances of driving away safely?so you don't have to be a legal expert to say and do the right thing.

1) Keep Your Private Items Out of View

This is common sense: Always keep any private items that you don't want others to see out of sight. Legally speaking, police do not need a search warrant in order to confiscate any illegal items that are in plain view.

2) Be Courteous & Non-Confrontational

If you are pulled over, the first thing you should to do is turn your car off, turn the dome light on (if it's nighttime), roll down the window, and keep your hands on the steering wheel. Don't immediately reach into your glove compartment for your license and registration. Officers want to be able to see your hands for their own safety. Wait until the officer asks to see your paperwork before retrieving your documents.

The first thing you should say to the officer
is, "Hello officer. Can you tell me why I am being pulled over?" The officer may give you a hard time or say, "Why do you think I pulled you over?" Tell the officer you don't know. Most importantly, do not apologize after you get stopped, because that can be considered an admission of guilt and could be used against you later in court.

Show your identification if it's requested. Be respectful and non-confrontational. Refer to the police as "Sir," "Ma'am," or "Officer." Remain calm and quiet while the officer is reviewing your documents. If the officer writes you a ticket, accept it quietly and never complain. Listen to any instruction on paying the fine or contesting the ticket, and drive away slowly.

3) Just Say "No" to Warrantless Searches

Warning: If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent. The only reason he's asking you is because he doesn't have enough evidence to search without your consent. If you consent to a search request you give up one of the most important constitutional rights you have?your Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

A majority of avoidable police searches occur because citizens naively waive their Fourth Amendment rights by consenting to warrantless searches. As a general rule, if a person consents to a warrantless search, the search automatically becomes reasonable and therefore legal. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during such a search can be used to convict the person.

Don't expect a police officer to tell you about your right not to consent. Police officers are not required by law to inform you of your rights before asking you to consent to a search. In addition, police officers are trained to use their authority to get people to consent to a search, and most people are predisposed to comply with any request a police officer makes. For example, the average motorist stopped by a police officer who asks them, "Would you mind if I search your vehicle, please?" will probably consent to the officer's search without realizing that they have every right to deny the officer's request.

If, for any reason you don't want the officer digging through your belongings, you should refuse to consent by saying something like, "Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I do not consent to any searches of my private property." If the officer still proceeds to search you and finds illegal contraband, your attorney can argue that the contraband was discovered through an illegal search and hence should be thrown out of court.

You should never hesitate to assert your constitutional rights. Just say "no!"

4) Determine if You Can Leave

You have the right to terminate an encounter with a police officer unless you are being detained under police custody or have been arrested. The general rule is that you don't have to answer any questions that the police ask you. This rule comes from the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects you against self-incrimination. If you cannot tell if you are allowed to leave, say to the officer, "I have to be on my way. Am I free to go?"

If the officer says "Yes," tell him to have a nice day, and leave immediately. If the officer's answer is ambiguous, or if he asks you another unrelated question, persist by asking "am I being detained, or can I go now?" If the officer says "No," you are being detained, and you may be placed under arrest. If this is the case, reassert your rights as outlined above, and follow Rules #5 and #6.

5) Do Not Answer Questions without Your Attorney Present

There is no reason to worry that your failure to answer the officer's questions will later be used against you. The truth is just the opposite: Anything you say can, and probably will, be used against you.

In just about any case imaginable, a person is best off not answering any questions about his involvement in anything illegal. Assert your Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights by saying these exact words: "Officer, I have nothing to say until I speak with a lawyer."

*Remember- If you do choose to answer any of the officer's questions, always be honest. Police are not easily tricked and will often become hostile if they feel disrespected. If you feel it is best not to answer truthfully, then don't say anything at all.

6) Do Not Physically Resist

If the police proceed to detain, search, or arrest you despite your wishes?do not physically resist. You may state clearly but non-confrontationally: "Officer, I am not resisting arrest and I do not consent to any searches." Or you may assert your rights by simply saying nothing until you can speak with an attorney.
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This seems to indicate that the policeman will back off if he does not have probable cause.

I guess the people on the Cops show just are ignorant of their rights as it happens over and over. They also talk and admit things over and over not knowing their rights.
 
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One time when I was about 16 me and a friend of mine decided to hitch hike to Montreal Canada.

We were going to see some girls my friend knew lived there.

It was dead of winter in Vermont.

We made it to Burlington and couldnt get a ride. So we decided to take a bus. It was pretty cheap and we figured we would be warm and not have to worry about it.

We forgot that the Canadians come on board and check who is on the bus. When they came on the bus , me and my friend were sitting there trying to look nonchalant. They asked us where we were going and how much money we had.

We told them to visit friends and we had about ten bucks between us.

They pulled us off the bus for questioning. So as we are sitting in the lobby of the Canadian Customs , I remember that I got a hunting knife on me about 10 inchs long. I had it hidden in the lining of my winter jacket. I was freaking they would search me and I would go to jail or they would start looking up my ars or worse.

They took us to a holding cell for questioning. I told the guy I had to go to the bathroom real bad. He let me go out and in the bathroom I dumped the knife in a trash can without anyone seeing me.

After about 3 hours they let us go and we walked back into America about 8 oclock at night. There were no buses coming that day. So we started hitchhiking.

This farmer guy comes in and he is talking with the customs people. I guess they knew him. So he stops and lets us get in the back of his pickup. It was snowing like a bitch almost a blizzard.

The farmer drives us about 10 miles, stops and says this is as far as I am going. And we get out in the middle of bum fawk egypt in a snowstorm.

There were no cars for miles so we were walking almost frozen. After about two hours we were almost frostbitten snowmen.

We finally see a car headlights coming.

It was a volkswagon bus with 2 hippie guys and 3 girls.

They stopped for us and it ended up being a cheech and chong ride. We had a very nice time as the girls felt sorry for us and warmed us up.

That was the first time I realized that there was
a God and he was watching over my dumb ass.

Those were the days of adventure.
 
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scott...

as you probably know my wife is canadian.i once was driving up to see her with a friend in a rented car. when we got to the border, the agents found a joint in my friend's marlboro box. they brought us in separate rooms, stripped search us (even looked up our asses) & practically took the rented vehicle apart looking for other drugs....which they didn't find.after about 3 hours we had a to pay a $250 fine right on the spot in order to leave...


at the border, twice they had the dogs sniff my vehicle... i always mention to them..."Do i look like a drug dealer"?
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If you say ... No way I know my civil rights.

if you just tell them to "go fuk off" that usually works pretty good.
 

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Remember a few weeks ago when I said people make police officers nervous? This week we learned how police handle that. Basically, the answer boils down to control. Police officers want to control everything they can about a situation, from how close they stand to someone to who's talking when. The tools they use to maintain that control range from a stern voice to a loaded gun.
"People think sometimes we're rude, we're mean, we use excessive force, but there's a reason we do a lot of things we do," said Bryan Weatherford, an 18-year veteran of the RPD and the department's use of force training officer. "We need to basically be ready and prepared and know what's happening."
But even in Rosemount things can escalate. In those situations police have options ranging from batons to pepper spray to Tazers to guns, and they have strict instructions on when they should use what option. There's a chart and everything. Basically, though, the idea is to stay one step ahead of the bad guy. If they have a stick, you have a Tazer. If they have a knife, you have a gun. It sounds a little bit like Sean Connery's speech from the Untouchables (If they send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue) but fortunately nobody gets clubbed with a baseball bat.
Just about everything police are trained to do is designed to get control of people without causing permanent damage. Even when they're clubbing someone with their baton, their first option is to go for the calf, the thigh, the forearm and the upper arm, areas that have large nerve clusters but where permanent damage isn't likely. Police officers know where to find all kinds of nerve clusters and pressure points to make people do what they want. In other words, you don't want to get into a wrestling match with a cop.
Of course, if those spots don't work, Weatherford said, they're swinging for the joints.
The tool most police officers are excited about is the Tazer. It's a lot easier to carry all day than the baton, and officers can use it from as far away as 25 feet. And, as I've mentioned before in this blog, it hurts like a sumbitch without doing permanent damage. The Tazers keep track of every time the trigger is pulled, and when one of the cartridges is fired it sprays confetti-sized disks called aphids onto the ground. Those aphids can be tracked to the department or individual who bought the cartridge, so there is a record whenever police Taze someone.
Rosemount police haven't used their Tazers on a person in the year they've been carrying them -- there might have been a use on an out-of-control dog, but that wasn't entirely clear -- but most are happy to have the option.
Even when the situation seems to be under control -- when it's time to handcuff a bad guy -- things can get out of hand. John Sommers, another force training officer, said handcuffing is about the most dangerous thing police officers do on a regular basis.
"If they're going to fight, it's going to happen when you put that first cuff on," Sommers said. "They might cooperate up until, 'click-click.'"
Then, not only is someone fighting but they have a fairly heavy piece of metal swinging from their wrist.
Rosemount police don't use their guns often. When they do, it's usually just to euthanize a deer that's been hit by a car.
Rosemount police have only shot and killed one person in the city's history. That was on a domestic violence call a few years ago, when the suspect charged police with a baseball bat.


It's hard to make too many jokes about drunk driving. Rosemount police take the subject pretty seriously. If you're out on the road around closing time and police see a reason to stop you -- from weaving to speeding to a burned-out headlight -- you're probably going to get stopped. According to RPD sergeant Jim O'Leary, statistics suggest one in seven drivers on the road after midnight has a blood alcohol level over .08. O'Leary hasn't seen the evidence of that himself, but he and others figure it's better to send someone on his way with a warning than to leave a drunk driver on the road.
"The only way you get drunk drivers is to stop everything that moves," O'Leary said. "We get 'em at 10 in the morning. We get them at 2 in the afternoon. People who drink a lot, they can be over (.08) on the way to work."
Rosemount police are always on the lookout for signs of a drunk driver, and it's not always the weaving people tend to associate with drunk driving.
"It might be not dimming his headlights. Stopping before the intersection. The guys who look for them get more."
Officer David Addleman is one of the officers who look for them. He leads the department with 27 DUI arrests this year.
"Typically it's not the guy shoulder-to-shoulder hitting curbs," Addleman said. "Typically it's the little violations."
When Addleman stops someone for one of those little violations -- whether it's the intersection thing O'Leary mentioned or a broken taillight -- he is immediately on the lookout for signs someone has been drinking. He looks for glossy or bloodshot eyes. And he uses his nose.
"I'm waiting for that smell to hit me," he said. "Most of the time it won't, but on a good, still night it comes out of the car like somebody's smoking in the car."
The department has the right to seize the car of anyone convicted of a first degree DUI, but they usually won't if the person owes too much on it or if it's not worth the extra expense.


High tension

Here's the thing about being a cop: ordinary people scare the bejeebers out of you, like, all the time.
Seriously, even on what police refer to as a routine traffic stop there are about 16,000 things that can go wrong. Someone could have drugs. Someone could have a gun. Someone could try to make a run for it. And while most traffic stops actually are routine, a police officer has to be ready for all of that. So, what's a police officer to do? The answer seems to lie in the advice of Dalton, Patrick Swayze's inexplicably famous bouncer character from the classic American movie Road House: "You be nice until it's time not to be nice." In other words, be civil to everybody you stop but know in the back of your head that they could be about to pull a gun on you. So, there's a word of advice: Never do anything to make a police officer think you might be about to pull a gun on him.
"You don't want to make the police nervous," officer Jeremiah Simonson said at Thursday's Academy session.
Consider all the things a police officer goes through every time he stops a car: Even before you've pulled over, he's checking your license plates, making sure you're not a dangerous criminal. When he walks up to your car, he checks the trunk to make sure it's not open. Basically, he wants to be certain nobody's going to pop out and ambush him. And he does this EVERY TIME. Of course, if you get stopped at night you don't see that because there is a really bright spotlight shining at you. That's so you can't see where the cop is coming from. Police officers like to use their lights to make sure they can see you better than you can see them.
Even the way a police officer parks when he stops you is deliberate -- a little farther into the traffic lane than your car, so there is room to walk without worrying so much about getting hit by a car and with the wheels turned to the outside of the road so if a car does hit the squad car the squad gets pushed into the ditch, not into the officer and the car he has stopped. And just about every cop can tell you a story about nearly getting hit during a traffic stop.
"I want to be safe. I want to go home every night. That's my goal," Simonson said. "I could car less how many tickets I write.
"There's nothing routine about this job. Especially traffic stops."
It's a lot to keep track of. Trust me. I tried my hand at a simulated traffic stop Thursday and I'm pretty sure that, if it had been real, I would have died about six times. First, the driver and passenger, played all night by a pair of RPD reserve officers, got out of the car. By the time they had responded to my frantic shouts for them to stop, I had somehow stepped into traffic. Then, after being reminded to check the trunk AND to look into the car, I spotted a marijuana pipe sticking out from under the driver's seat but not the gun on the passenger side. I was completely disoriented. And I even KNEW nobody was going to come after me.
So, that's routine stops. Speeding. Broken headlights. Things like that. The kind of stop any cop makes 10 times a day. That's when it's time for cops to at least start out being nice.
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maybe lewehands would start a thread called "ask me anything about being an indiana cop"

lewehands?
 
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