holding Crabtree - Y or N? setup a poll?

[tball]

now thats its all over -- would love to get jackers opinions on the last gasp for niners in ez.

was it holding on jimmy smith of michael crabtree?

granted there was handfighting(some) -and a pushoff--and play started at 5 yd line, so well within rules if stopped once got into EZ (unless action in EZ ruled different then reg field of play that im not aware of)- though from what i saw, defender had hands on pads of wr --- and anyone thats played, would know, a simple arm bar is hard enough to fend off (not let it affect your play, nevermind an actual grab)--though too, wasn't a perfect angle for ref to decipher.

im not calling out the refs here, as, maybe they simply didnt see anything, or did and didn't think it flag worthy

im actually of the mindset you let'm play -- unless totallly blantant --and some will say, well that clearly was (blantant) -- or others too, say cant have game decided by refs.... though there truly is a wide range of opinion -that would love to hear

((would love to get a poll going --does anyone know how to setup? - just to tally results)) -as again, stricly curious

i had no dog in this fight, though all depends on how you see it went down, and love to get your idea on

--YES?

--NO?

--Yes, but regardless can't make that call there

--Yes, and regardless of time/situation, a foul is a foul and you should call it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW7qWnMFgW0#t=0m53s slo-mo (if anyone finds better video, feel free to link, embed -thanks - and good/bad call aside, congratulations John Harbaugh / Ravens.

 

[WildBillPicks7]

NO!! The game was called the same the whole game, you could have thrown a flag when Boldin made the 3rd and 1 catch, he was mugged and still caught it.

If you watch close enough Smith had a lil and Crab pushed off - who you gonna call the flag on? Did it change the game? NO!

It's all about execution, not what the refs called or didn't call, this is professional football, not Euro soccer, LOL!

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[gardenweasel]

you could say the same exact thing about frisco`s win over atlanta regarding the gonazalez play over the middle....

at least that was catchable...and gonzales wasn`t pushing off on the defender`s helmet....

sour grapes that won`t change a thing...like flacco getting hit 2 feet out of bounds and the bogus running into the kicker penalty...

 

[shawn555]

no.

Had not been a penalty all game, not sure why it would have been on last play?

Watch the play in real speed and not super slow mo.

 

[shawn555]

you could say the same exact thing about frisco`s win over atlanta regarding the gonazalez play over the middle....

at least that was catchable...and gonzales wasn`t pushing off on the defender`s helmet....

sour grapes that won`t change a thing...like flacco getting hit 2 feet out of bounds and the bogus running into the kicker penalty...

but if it makes people feel better,whine on...

Holy shitballs. I agree.

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[JMize]

had Baltimore..of course biased

but seen a hold and a push off

like announcers said...shouldnt have came to that...u have to get in the endzone

they wont make a call on something like that ..either way most would have won only on the moneyline...they werent covering this game

if the lights dont go out....never would have been a game period!!!

 

[DuckDogs]

It was a penalty, but you can't make that call - poorly called game both ways all night.

I had sf -3.5 and ML:facepalm:

 

[Mr Rattler]

It was holding, HOWEVER, not blatant enough to be called. The crew let a lot of "ticky-tak" stuff go without a call. The no call was consistent with how they called the rest of the game.

Had the shoe been on the other foot, I would have probably kicked the TV screen in or at least took my 9mm to it.

 

[gardenweasel]

had Baltimore..of course biased

but seen a hold and a push off

like announcers said...shouldnt have came to that...u have to get in the endzone

they wont make a call on something like that ..either way most would have won only on the moneyline...they werent covering this game

if the lights dont go out....never would have been a game period!!!

not only that,but,the game was really called loosely....seemed as though there was a directive handed down by the league honchos for the refs to not control the game....it was pretty obvious that they were letting them play....7 penalties called the whole game...and one that i recall was non-discretionary(an obvious offsides)....

if i were a frisco fan or bettor,i`d have a real issue with harbaugh not calling one running play from the five...with gore/james and kaepernick,how did that not happen?....what are the chances that the ravens stop that gang 4 successive times from the 5?........

i think that jim harbaugh is a great young coach...but he seemed to lose his composure at times(some poor timeout decisions..losing his cool and throwing papers and the clipboard around)....it was obvious he wanted it badly...

 

[tball]

i for one probably dont call that there

was there a foul to be called? perhaps

for me, unless the ball was on crabtrees back shoulder (more catchable ball) and he went to jump - and became obvious where defender's hands were; i'd then probably flag it --even then, thats alotta ifs, and wasn't the case.

holding is a call totally independant of the ball being catchbale (unlike PI) though there wasnt enough --clearly evidnet in that instance to warrant imho

not to try and take any shine off Raven's suceess btw - as was a good game (i thought)

 

[tball]

if i were a frisco fan or bettor,i`d have a real issue with harbaugh not calling one erunning play from the five...with gore/james and kaepernick,how did that not happen?....what are the chances that the ravens stop that gang 4 successive times from the 5?........

i second that^

i think if they were able to get qb run off, before timeout for delay of game, mighta got in there --though 2 downs of running gets you in? prolly right. perhaps they were expecting balt to sell out runstop that a throw would be that much easier (than ended up being)

 

[JMize]

good points Garden Weasel

totally agree on why sfran didnt run from the 5? especially with Kaepernick? i would have ran him twice

was wondering same things about the refs in throwing little flags out there....how about the fighting going on...one raven actually pushed a ref...normally thats a automatic being throwen out of the game and maybe a fine as well...but no flag :shrug:

either way everyone here has gotten bad breaks....so move on

 

[Shleprock]

who's more qualified to answer than former players actually hall of famers. Deion sanders said "no it was officiated that way whole game and look at crabtrees reation exactly there was none what nfl receiver doesn't react in that situation one that knows its not a penalty". Marshall faulk said no. Michael Irving no Crabtree slowed his route mistake 1 he initiated contact mistake 2 ref can't make that call. Good enough for me.

 

[DZ]

you could say the same exact thing about frisco`s win over atlanta regarding the gonazalez play over the middle....

at least that was catchable...and gonzales wasn`t pushing off on the defender`s helmet....

sour grapes that won`t change a thing...like flacco getting hit 2 feet out of bounds and the bogus running into the kicker penalty...

This exactly :iagree:

 

[Shleprock]

good points Garden Weasel

totally agree on why sfran didnt run from the 5? especially with Kaepernick? i would have ran him twice

was wondering same things about the refs in throwing little flags out there....how about the fighting going on...one raven actually pushed a ref...normally thats a automatic being throwen out of the game and maybe a fine as well...but no flag :shrug:

either way everyone here has gotten bad breaks....so move on

Koepernick audibled to the pass he screwed up.

 

[DZ]

Koepernick audibled to the pass he screwed up.

The pass was also not catchable, which makes it extremely hard for the refs to throw the flag there.

 

[tball]

The pass was also not catchable, which makes it extremely hard for the refs to throw the flag there.

for pi yes,
though for holding shouldnt matter

(but easier call if more in vicinity)

you dont even have to be thrown to, and can get a holding

 

[DuckDogs]

The pass was also not catchable, which makes it extremely hard for the refs to throw the flag there.

Disregard- Tball beat me to it:toast:

Does "catchable" come into play on holding or illegal contact, I thought it was only applicable to pass interference penalties? I could be wrong.

 

[DZ]

Disregard- Tball beat me to it:toast:

Does "catchable" come into play on holding or illegal contact, I thought it was only applicable to pass interference penalties? I could be wrong.

No you're right. But I guess you could say crabtree was holding the other guy's helmet too.

I dunno, I would think there'd be much more of an uproar had that call been made and SF scored on the next play and won the Super Bowl than the way it turned out.

 

[DuckDogs]

No you're right. But I guess you could say crabtree was holding the other guy's helmet too.

I dunno, I would think there'd be much more of an uproar had that call been made and SF scored on the next play and won the Super Bowl than the way it turned out.

I agree 100%- letter of the law- it was a penalty, but they can't make that call- they had been letting them play all night