How did UNC get 1 seed over Arizona or UK ?

[lowell]

Before you rest your hat on the fact they won the ACC regular season take a look at the unbalanced conference schedule.
UNC only beat 1 of the top 11 teams in the conference in a road game. It was a close win over Wake Forest.
They lost at Duke, UVA, Miami and at number 11 Ga Tech. They did not have to play at FSU, Louisville, Notre Dame , Va Tech and Syracuse. Duke did travel to UVA, UNC, Miami, Louisville, ND,Va Tech , Wake and Syracuse.
UNC's best win away from home was over Wisconsin and it was on a neutral court. Their toughest
road nonconference game was a blowout loss to Indiana.
Due to the expanded conferences for TV money you have unbalanced schedules. I think the committee needs to give more weight to conference tournaments and road wins whil giving less to regular season conference winners.
That being said if UNC advances to regional final versus Kentucky in Memphis they will think they are playing a road game. UK fans travel well.

 

[ormond80]

Duke should be the #1 seed, not UNC, Arizona or Kentucky.:SIB

 

[lowell]

I am Duke fan and am happy with number 2. Having to maybe play a lower seed South Carolina in South Carolina will be loud as UNC fans will join Gamecock fans booing Duke.
Beating Clemson, Louisville! UNC and Norte Dame in 4 days was some feat. If Duke plays well they will be fine in the regional,

 

[MONEYBAGS]

I think Arizona should've def got a 1 seed, but they were never gonna give two west coast teams a 1 seeds. I think UNC was more deserving then kentucky.

 

[WildBillPicks7]

Before you rest your hat on the fact they won the ACC regular season take a look at the unbalanced conference schedule.
UNC only beat 1 of the top 11 teams in the conference in a road game. It was a close win over Wake Forest.
They lost at Duke, UVA, Miami and at number 11 Ga Tech. They did not have to play at FSU, Louisville, Notre Dame , Va Tech and Syracuse. Duke did travel to UVA, UNC, Miami, Louisville, ND,Va Tech , Wake and Syracuse.
UNC's best win away from home was over Wisconsin and it was on a neutral court. Their toughest
road nonconference game was a blowout loss to Indiana.
Due to the expanded conferences for TV money you have unbalanced schedules. I think the committee needs to give more weight to conference tournaments and road wins whil giving less to regular season conference winners.
That being said if UNC advances to regional final versus Kentucky in Memphis they will think they are playing a road game. UK fans travel well.

So Lowell, a Duke fan right? How did Duke get a #2 seed losing on the rd to Syracuse, Va Tech, Flo St, L'ville, Miami, ? Lost at home vs N C State? :mj07::mj07::mj07: UNC had road losses to nationally ranked teams, Indiana at the time was #13 early in the year, they also lost to Kentucky, ranked in top 7 basically all year long, they lost at G Tech which was a bad loss, got smoked at Virginia and lost at Miami, Miami played one of the strongest schedules in the nation.

You can't compare apples to oranges on why a seed is #1 or #2 when talking about UNC and Duke.......

Look at the other #1 seeds and compare schedules and compare road wins and average margin of victories vs the Top 10, Top 25 and Top 50 and you'll have your answer why UNC is a #1 seed.

Gonzaga beat nationally ranked teams at the time, Iowa St, Arizona, and swept St Mary's another ranked team which should have been in the Top 25 at all, 3 straight games, none that were even really close.

Nova is an overall #1 seed and they lost games as well!!! Losing to ranked Butler on the rd and at home, on the road to MQ on the road in a game they were leading by 10 points going into the final 2 minutes.

Arizona you stated should have been a #1 seed? WHY? Arizona lost to Butler (Ranked team), Gonzaga a #1 seed, at Oregon by a huge blowout, UNC didn't lose badly to anyone on the road and badly meaning by double digits other than Virginia, Arizona was down nearly 50 points to Oregon until Dana Altman put in the scrubs and they lost at Arizona State, as bad a loss as Duke's loss to NC State in my opinion.

The #1 seeds were ranked properly and fairly I believe and you can listen to Joe Lunardi or Jerry Palm and they both had the top 4 teams/seeds basically there the last 2-3 weeks of the season.

 

[MONEYBAGS]

Arizona was missing their best player for the butler and the gonzaga game, and had recently gotten him back before the @oregon loss. (they only have 4 losses, compared to 7 for north carolina) None of arizonas losses are as bad as UNC losses to- Indiana, and georgia tech. AZ also beat UCLA and Oregon(two of the teams they lost to earlier in the yr), and won the pac 12 tourney.

 

[WildBillPicks7]

Arizona was missing their best player for the butler and the gonzaga game, and had recently gotten him back before the @oregon loss. (they only have 4 losses, compared to 7 for north carolina) None of arizonas losses are as bad as UNC losses to- Indiana, and georgia tech. AZ also beat UCLA and Oregon(two of the teams they lost to earlier in the yr), and won the pac 12 tourney.

Great point, however, the committee I'm sure knew that, they look at the overall body of work, not what happened early or late in the year.

 

[lowell]

On the road UNC lost by 9 to Indiana, 15 to Miami , 12 to Ga Tech!!! 8 to Duke
along with 10 pt loss to UVA.
Not playing the top ACC teams on the road I believe will make a difference in the tournament.
UNC may be playing UK in Memphis and Zona in Phoenix before the dance is over.
I never said Duke deserved the number 1 seed. Several of Duke's losses came when they were without their coach and with injured players.
Nonetheless Duke had more top wins versus top 25 and top 50 teams than anyone else.
They also beat UNC twice. Beating Clemson,Louisville, UNC and ND in 4 days to win the ACC Tournament will prepare Duke for what is ahead. If they play well they will be fine.

 

[IX_Bender]

but how will they do without the ACC crew to ref their games????


BWUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[Big G21]

As a UK fan i am totally fine with a 2 seed however i think the south bracket is ridiculous.....especially UK's road....wichita/dayton 10/7, ucla, unc....i would not be surprised if they lost any of those. Honestly i think ucla gets them. Idk...the whole field is good this year. Louisville's 2nd rd games are tough too. To me the east and west looks the easiest (the left side). Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Go Cats!

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

So much is made from #1 and #2 seeds and who should've been what. Fact of the matter is it really doesn't matter if you're a #1 or #2...location is likely the teams main preference. And you're going to play a pretty damn good team from the Sweet 16 on. I would rather just have an easier little 4 team bracket in the first 2 games than worry about #1 or #2.

UNC/Zona, IMO have the easiest paths to the Elite 8.

Duke has the easiest first 2 games. They are going to destroy Troy(ha!) and Marquette can score, but can't stop Duke. SCarolina is just lucky they started the season hot on a weak schedule otherwise they're lucky to even be in the tournament.

Nova and KU are in for a real test in their 2nd game. I'm sure both would be more than happy to swap Duke.

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

Arizona was missing their best player for the butler and the gonzaga game, and had recently gotten him back before the @oregon loss. (they only have 4 losses, compared to 7 for north carolina) None of arizonas losses are as bad as UNC losses to- Indiana, and georgia tech. AZ also beat UCLA and Oregon(two of the teams they lost to earlier in the yr), and won the pac 12 tourney.

Calling UNC's loss @ IU a bad loss is like hindsight. At the time IU was being billed as a title contender. Then they lost their starting back court basically. Blackman came back eventually, but OG Anunoby was their go-to guy and just simply weren't the same after they lost him. Crean really did a bad job this year with that team, but they were destroyed by injuries to key players.

G Tech was a bubble team until the last 2 weeks of the season when they fell flat. They were tough as nails at home and have a true road win @ VCU and beat FSU/ND.

All teams have some questionable performances, close wins, iffy losses.

I personally thought UNC was a #2 or #3 seed all season but they were rewarded for winning the deepest conference. They certainly weren't rewarded by having to play UCLA or Kentucky in the Elite 8. 2 teams who 1 are probably going to be guaranteed to be there at the elite 8 level. Not sure you can say that about any other region where you're confident either the 2 or 3 seed will definitely be there minus save Zona.

I'm sure UK/UCLA are going to be trendy vegas picks to win at 15:1 and 12:1

I'm not big on conference tournaments virtually wiping out entire season conference play. Duke lost 3 of their last 4 was struggling to stay in the top 20 and all the sudden people want to make them a 1 seed lol.

Personally, I thought the top 1 seeds aside from considering geography, should've been Nova, Zona, Gonzaga, Kansas. 2-seeds UCLA, Kentucky, UNC, Oregon, and then Duke, Louisville, Baylor, and SMU/WVU as the 3-seeds.

 

[MONEYBAGS]

I wasn't saying they were bad losses, I was saying that the were worse than any of the 4 losses AZ had( butler(wout Trier, Zaga wout Trier, Oregon, UCLA), and they have less total losses than UNC bye 3. THey also beat the two teams that beat them at full strength(Oregon in the conf champ game, and UCLA in semis, and @UCLA).
They just weren't going to put two west coast teams at 1, so making AZ a 1 meant they would've had to take gonzaga off the one line.

IMOP the seeding should've been in this order- Villanova, Gonzaga, AZ, kansas, UNC, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, Oregon, Lousiville. (and oregon is only behind Duke and Kentucky because of Bouchers injury).

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

Fair point. UNC Also played in a significantly better conference. As did all the other ACC teams(in reference to each teams losses). The PAC 12 was 3 great teams and really really poor outside of that. USC was basically playing its way out. I think they beat Providence though.