How did we get into this Financial crisis?

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How did we get into this Financial crisis??

This is really a two part issue..The first, was the reversal of the Glass Seagull Act.

You ask, what is the Glass Seagull Act?

The Glass-Seagull Act was enacted during the Great Depression to restrict the securities activities and affiliations of banks and has long been seen as having separated commercial banking. The act was intended to protect banks, prevent conflicts of interest and other abuses and safeguard the financial system. Rubin said supporters of the act today say Glass-Seagull is necessary to protect the federal deposit insurance system.

This was enacted in 1933 and was the course of business until 1999..When the repeal of the Glass Seagull Act led by Robert Rubin former Treasury Sec. under Bill Clinton and others of the CFR, has produced our current investment dilemma of the breakdown of the residential mortgage investment sector and created financialization, a relatively new term used to discuss the emergence of a new form of capitalism in which financial markets dominate over the traditional industrial economy.

The CFR is The Sovereign in North America's commerce, investment and governmental activity and endeavors and through the CFR and it's agents , primarily Sanford Weill, Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin repealed the Glass Steagall Act in 1999.

It must be said, that to repeal this Act, must come from Congress and it's here, where both Republicans and Democrats rewrote the law and was signed by then, President Bill Clinton.

As mentioned above, the act was the sole purpose to keep Banks, which during this period, was built on a foundation of solid assets and a business model that didn't allow banks to deviate into elements of questionable or gambling assets into the world of derivative trading..

In 1999 when the repeal was signed into law, it was meant to modernize the country's financial system and allow banks to became gambling house i.e.; Banks/Investment Banks..This allowed them to parley or move solid bank assets into tradable securities as in options, convertible bonds, future contracts and on it goes..

So now we come to the Second part of the current Financial crisis which is the Sub-Prime..

When the law was repealed and signed, Bill Clinton, ordered Fannie and Freddie to except loans from local banks in inner city and other minority jurisdictions to back home loans on individuals, who otherwise would not be eligible for such a major acquisition, due to low credit rating and other factors..Local banks were continually pressured by minority groups like Acorn and Congressional Democratic leaders to underwrite these mortgages.

So everything appeared on the surface to be fine, and the ideology that every American has a right to own a home, without showing proper credit rating and questionable employment history finally took a toll.

Banks before the repeal of Glass Steagall had to show a foundation of assets and cash related to debt and in the 1980's a well known practice called Mark to Market..

Mark to Market is an accounting methodology of assigning a value to a position held in a financial instrument based on the current market price for the instrument or similar instruments. When these mortgages became a real issue with respect to delayed payments and foreclosures started to rise, banks took these undesirables and bundled them up as Sub-Prime and went into the world of Wall Street as a trading instrument and many world banks came onboard and everyone was in money heaven.

The foreclosure rate started to rise at a rapid rate and remember, Fannie and Freddie continued to underwrite and back these banks holding these mortgages from defaulting...Banks as they do, is to protect their assets and maintain the requirements within banking regulatory laws were concerned with Mark to Market accounting, that when said property goes to 0 balance or worth, balance sheets and asset base, could present a imbalance and make the banks appear insolvent..

As we now have experienced, many banks went under and since they kept many of these notes on their books and with Mark to Market had no choice.

This of course also effected the underwriter, Fannie and Freddie holding assets that were virtually or near worthless..

Then the domino effect began and a major meltdown occurred as we now know, is a severe collapse of the world Financial Institutions.

Through it's infamous wisdom, the government without addressing the Mark to Market accounting, just went on as usual and infused large capital into banks and Fannie and Freddie..All this did was try to fill the void, or large hole to shore up these same institutions to no avail..This problem became so severe that the first Tarp was sucked up like a huge vacuum cleaner with little resolve.

So now we have this spending/stimulus package that will not work and only create down the road a major global disaster not seen since the great depression..The reason why I say this, is history has repeatedly dictated that unwise spending does not work and only exacerbates and compounds the problem going out. In the short term, this may work, but the cusp of the problem is the burden of debt it carries..Normally under this scenario, foreign countries have always been eager to buy US debt through Bonds and safe US Treasury notes as a safe haven..The only problem is, all these countries are facing similar problems and have no more investment capital let alone to carry their own debt.

Japan is a perfect example why spending doesn't work..They, for years spent on infrastructure and built many "Bridges to No Where" and now we have learned they are contracting at an alarming rate, now over 10%..This is not good and others will follow.

Since almost every country in the world is in the same predicament, countries that traditionally buy up foreign debt and the hallmark of this was USA safe haven securities, will not happen and some have eluded that China will own the foreign debt is as well, a non-starter.

This spending package is nothing more than Toxic Financing or Spiral Financing that will effect you in ways unimaginable..Obama promised a middle tax cut, this is delusional thinking on his part...If I had to make an assessment, your taxes will rise at a rate never seen in this country..This spending package will have your taxes raised every year for the next 30 years at additional $2800 for every taxpayer and still we will never get even.

And now they are talking about another round of spending to again, shore up the Auto Industry and Financial sector..

What is the outlook? World leaders will not have a choice but to bring into order a "NEW WORLD Order" that will affect your life and your children not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire.

Of course this is my take.

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You def. are a right wing conservitive,no doubt.
Your posts are totally anti-liberal.
I found your take interesting.
Some of it might in fact be true,but not all of it.

Lets be realistic,theres plenty of blame to go around.If you told me to jump of a bridge would I??The banks,The Auto Industry, have to take some blame for there actions.Dont care what was act was in place,or fazed out.

Irresponsible ways by these industries are the main reason for the mess there in.GM is a joke,it was all them that took them down.That started in the mid 80s.Hopefully they survive this mess.

IMO,the money spent on the Iraq liberation mission and the money spent on retail giant Wal*Mart by the republican run government has had a huge strain on this nation.

Wal*Mart is the sleeping giant,that gets a free ride in this country.While costing this country millions of taxpayers money that could be better used elswere.
 

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I enjoy reading your posts and hope you continue to do so.

To argue blame is beside the point, as he is clearly defining steps taken by Congress and the resulting factors.
 

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Rusty, stop going to Wal-Mart. TIA.

Just get a kick of the people who cry our nation is
gonna get killed by the stimulas package ,as far as taxes,and the creation of jobs and the bill our kids are gonna pay.

When in fact its been going on right under our noses with wal-mart:mj07: The friggin money were paying for them to exist in our country.
But keep it under hat weve got some great deals coming ,its pathetic,no??
 

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Just get a kick of the people who cry our nation is
gonna get killed by the stimulas package ,as far as taxes,and the creation of jobs and the bill our kids are gonna pay.

When in fact its been going on right under our noses with wal-mart:mj07: The friggin money were paying for them to exist in our country.
But keep it under hat weve got some great deals coming ,its pathetic,no??

The Obama young Democrats will get the bill down the road, I just hope they make good use of their education, so they can pay their TAX BILL.
 

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How did we get into this Financial crisis??

This is really a two part issue..The first, was the reversal of the Glass Seagull Act.

You ask, what is the Glass Seagull Act?

The Glass-Seagull Act was enacted during the Great Depression to restrict the securities activities and affiliations of banks and has long been seen as having separated commercial banking. The act was intended to protect banks, prevent conflicts of interest and other abuses and safeguard the financial system. Rubin said supporters of the act today say Glass-Seagull is necessary to protect the federal deposit insurance system.

This was enacted in 1933 and was the course of business until 1999..When the repeal of the Glass Seagull Act led by Robert Rubin former Treasury Sec. under Bill Clinton and others of the CFR, has produced our current investment dilemma of the breakdown of the residential mortgage investment sector and created financialization, a relatively new term used to discuss the emergence of a new form of capitalism in which financial markets dominate over the traditional industrial economy.

The CFR is The Sovereign in North America's commerce, investment and governmental activity and endeavors and through the CFR and it's agents , primarily Sanford Weill, Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin repealed the Glass Steagall Act in 1999.

It must be said, that to repeal this Act, must come from Congress and it's here, where both Republicans and Democrats rewrote the law and was signed by then, President Bill Clinton.

As mentioned above, the act was the sole purpose to keep Banks, which during this period, was built on a foundation of solid assets and a business model that didn't allow banks to deviate into elements of questionable or gambling assets into the world of derivative trading..

In 1999 when the repeal was signed into law, it was meant to modernize the country's financial system and allow banks to became gambling house i.e.; Banks/Investment Banks..This allowed them to parley or move solid bank assets into tradable securities as in options, convertible bonds, future contracts and on it goes..

So now we come to the Second part of the current Financial crisis which is the Sub-Prime..

When the law was repealed and signed, Bill Clinton, ordered Fannie and Freddie to except loans from local banks in inner city and other minority jurisdictions to back home loans on individuals, who otherwise would not be eligible for such a major acquisition, due to low credit rating and other factors..Local banks were continually pressured by minority groups like Acorn and Congressional Democratic leaders to underwrite these mortgages.

So everything appeared on the surface to be fine, and the ideology that every American has a right to own a home, without showing proper credit rating and questionable employment history finally took a toll.

Banks before the repeal of Glass Steagall had to show a foundation of assets and cash related to debt and in the 1980's a well known practice called Mark to Market..

Mark to Market is an accounting methodology of assigning a value to a position held in a financial instrument based on the current market price for the instrument or similar instruments. When these mortgages became a real issue with respect to delayed payments and foreclosures started to rise, banks took these undesirables and bundled them up as Sub-Prime and went into the world of Wall Street as a trading instrument and many world banks came onboard and everyone was in money heaven.

The foreclosure rate started to rise at a rapid rate and remember, Fannie and Freddie continued to underwrite and back these banks holding these mortgages from defaulting...Banks as they do, is to protect their assets and maintain the requirements within banking regulatory laws were concerned with Mark to Market accounting, that when said property goes to 0 balance or worth, balance sheets and asset base, could present a imbalance and make the banks appear insolvent..

As we now have experienced, many banks went under and since they kept many of these notes on their books and with Mark to Market had no choice.

This of course also effected the underwriter, Fannie and Freddie holding assets that were virtually or near worthless..

Then the domino effect began and a major meltdown occurred as we now know, is a severe collapse of the world Financial Institutions.

Through it's infamous wisdom, the government without addressing the Mark to Market accounting, just went on as usual and infused large capital into banks and Fannie and Freddie..All this did was try to fill the void, or large hole to shore up these same institutions to no avail..This problem became so severe that the first Tarp was sucked up like a huge vacuum cleaner with little resolve.

So now we have this spending/stimulus package that will not work and only create down the road a major global disaster not seen since the great depression..The reason why I say this, is history has repeatedly dictated that unwise spending does not work and only exacerbates and compounds the problem going out. In the short term, this may work, but the cusp of the problem is the burden of debt it carries..Normally under this scenario, foreign countries have always been eager to buy US debt through Bonds and safe US Treasury notes as a safe haven..The only problem is, all these countries are facing similar problems and have no more investment capital let alone to carry their own debt.

Japan is a perfect example why spending doesn't work..They, for years spent on infrastructure and built many "Bridges to No Where" and now we have learned they are contracting at an alarming rate, now over 10%..This is not good and others will follow.

Since almost every country in the world is in the same predicament, countries that traditionally buy up foreign debt and the hallmark of this was USA safe haven securities, will not happen and some have eluded that China will own the foreign debt is as well, a non-starter.

This spending package is nothing more than Toxic Financing or Spiral Financing that will effect you in ways unimaginable..Obama promised a middle tax cut, this is delusional thinking on his part...If I had to make an assessment, your taxes will rise at a rate never seen in this country..This spending package will have your taxes raised every year for the next 30 years at additional $2800 for every taxpayer and still we will never get even.

And now they are talking about another round of spending to again, shore up the Auto Industry and Financial sector..

What is the outlook? World leaders will not have a choice but to bring into order a "NEW WORLD Order" that will affect your life and your children not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire.

Of course this is my take.

Have a good day
Varok
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Where investors build their portfolio one stock at a time.

Another very accurate post!! Essentially, what the Clinton Administration did was tell banks "you better" start loaning money out to any and all people or we're going to come down hard on you.

For those ignorant dems that want to point fingers at Bush for the mess we are in right now, they should check the history books.

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Im sorry but folks are not buying this one is on Clinton. Maybe in his last year they started to losen up the banks. So Bush had 8 years to stop and make changes. What he do. Gave tax breaks to the rich. And ran a 1.2 trillion dollar war in Iraq on a credit card. And let rest of country go to chit.
 

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Im sorry but folks are not buying this one is on Clinton. Maybe in his last year they started to losen up the banks. So Bush had 8 years to stop and make changes. What he do. Gave tax breaks to the rich. And ran a 1.2 trillion dollar war in Iraq on a credit card. And let rest of country go to chit.

Come on, stop with the DENIAL. TIA.

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Im sorry but folks are not buying this one is on Clinton. Maybe in his last year they started to losen up the banks. So Bush had 8 years to stop and make changes. What he do. Gave tax breaks to the rich. And ran a 1.2 trillion dollar war in Iraq on a credit card. And let rest of country go to chit.

Valid points in the first sentence. 8 years. The rest is of opinion.
 

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For those ignorant dems that want to point fingers at Bush for the mess we are in right now, they should check the history books.

kneifl


Just wondering are any of u righties gonna take any blame for the disaster reasonable thinkers call "the last eight years?" I know its tough. Heck even when Fox told the flock that Bush inherited 9/11 i got a good laugh. Lets say this is true and we will leave Phil Grahm out of the mess. Where was the foresight? Should i blame my father for every losing pick i purchased because he was the one who taught me how to handicap? Any chance any of u cancers to the country will take responsibility for anything on ur watch? How about the deficit? At least take that one. It is a hard one to get away with since it always sky rockets anytime and anywhere a Republican is in charge of anything. How about Iraq? Whose fault was that one? I haven't heard the spin on that one just yet. Come on Kneif give us another good laugh. You are on a roll. Let people know who have lost half of their life savings, on how it was Clintons fault or maybe Carters.
 
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As I posted elsewhere, the roots of our financial crisis partially comes outta decade old attempts to get home ownership into the lowest working-income households.

Both parties and numerous administrations have worked toward this goal, with the growing and intolerable bad combination of goverment subsidizing the risk but the profits staying in private sector.

Bush and his administration did warn of the problems, and took some steps to try and stop it. Mostly after the 2002-2003 videos you see here. Admin didn't put much effort into it, and I'm sure now regret that--they totally blew that. Bush Screwed up! Partial list of those efforts below. You can google and find many, many more.

But they tried (tho not very hard), which is more than the opposition did. Bush admin knew they couldn't get anything past Democrats on Banking and Ways and Means, who never-ever!-would brook talk of restrictions in these lending programs.

And the notion that an alternative Democratic admin might have put in curbs to restrict low-income loans to poor working class folks, side with big bankers criticizing Fannie Mae and Mac, and/or get Allan Greenspan to puncture the bubble so these folks can't get these home is totally, metphysically absurd! :mj07:

mess we have would be the same, if not worse.


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from a post I made last Oct:

In case you missed the many actions and warning of Bush admin, here of few of dozens:

President's Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)


Piece from NY Times on Bush admin proposal for Fannie Mac oversight in 2003.

Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America? Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs ? and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

Bush had warning on Freddie mac in his state of Union address earlier this year.

Now, Bush ain't blame-free. He didn't fight congress at all to try and get any reforms passed. The two fine economists who chair is Council of Econ Advisors have been screaming warnings at top of thier lungs for years about dangers of GSEs, but Admin didn't do all that much about it but talk and put on few bills. But more than most did..
 
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As I posted elsewhere, the roots of our financial crisis partially comes outta decade old attempts to get home ownership into the lowest working-income households.

Both parties and numerous administrations have worked toward this goal, with the growing and intolerable bad combination of goverment subsidizing the risk but the profits staying in private sector.

Bush and his administration did warn of the problems, and took some steps to try and stop it. Mostly after the 2002-2003 videos you see here. Admin didn't put much effort into it, and I'm sure now regret that--they totally blew that. Bush Screwed up! Partial list of those efforts below. You can google and find many, many more.

But they tried (tho not very hard), which is more than the opposition did. Bush admin knew they couldn't get anything past Democrats on Banking and Ways and Means, who never-ever!-would brook talk of restrictions in these lending programs.

And the notion that an alternative Democratic admin might have put in curbs to restrict low-income loans to poor working class folks, side with big bankers criticizing Fannie Mae and Mac, and/or get Allan Greenspan to puncture the bubble so these folks can't get these home is totally, metphysically absurd! :mj07:

mess we have would be the same, if not worse.


......

from a post I made last Oct:

In case you missed the many actions and warning of Bush admin, here of few of dozens:

President's Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)


Piece from NY Times on Bush admin proposal for Fannie Mac oversight in 2003.

Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America? Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs ? and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

Bush had warning on Freddie mac in his state of Union address earlier this year.

Now, Bush ain't blame-free. He didn't fight congress at all to try and get any reforms passed. The two fine economists who chair is Council of Econ Advisors have been screaming warnings at top of thier lungs for years about dangers of GSEs, but Admin didn't do all that much about it but talk and put on few bills. But more than most did..

Has nothing to do with adjustable rate loans that were handed out duringthe Bush adminstration that the banks new were unpayable....
 

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Rusty may I ask you how old you are? Don't take this personal but you sound like a young college age fella hyped up on lattes. I have read these political posts for several weeks without responding, because frankly there was little substance. But what Equity trader posted is solid proven facts. There is no blame to be put on any one pair of shoulders, it was a snowball that rolled and rolled and simply turned into a mountain of Poo. It is pretty pathetic to constantly here Bush this, obama that, clinton this and bla bla bla. Until people realize that the system in place (Washington as a whole) is not what our founding forefathers invisioned IT IS GOING TO WORSEN NO MATTER WHO IS RUNNING THE SHOW. Don't get me wrong, we still live in the greatest nation on earth. BUT, you can only tax so much before the public dumps the frikin tea overboard. History can provide so much information on what can, and what cannot work. Too bad it's being used so little. One last tip America, cut your fuckin plastic up. This country has turned into a credit hell. If you do not have the money management know how, to save up for that 55 inch plasma. Then no fukin tv for you. Stop charging EVERYTHING. Alright back to your scheduled Bush this, obama that, bullshit.
 
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