How man of you have changed....

[dogface]

How many of you have changed careers?

I am getting tired of the travel of sales, and feel I need to stay home a bit more for my son. I don't travel as much as some but I feel like I would stop that portion.

Now, I have teaching and sales in my history. I cannot get back into teaching, all though that is my passion. Pay is one issue, but with the cuts every freakin year, it is like playing roulette to get back in.

Maybe Marine can check in as well, curious as to a transition from my sales and education background into Purchasing, or Training and Development.

Just tossing my thoughts around, I would like to be in my passion a bit more.


dogface

 

[THE KOD]

i have changed careers 3 times over the years.

You have to be able to get up in the morning and enjoy going to work. Thats the first rule.


If your passion is teaching that dont mean you have to teach in school.

It takes a certain type of person to be patient with teaching ppl how to do things.

you could be a instructor for something you love doing. Teach ppl how to use a water craft for instance. I think your into that so thats a example.

there are so many options for that field .

For quite awhile in my life I wanted to teach seminars. Too much travel in that though.

 

[dogface]

Good point about teaching, that is why I figured training and development.... I wonder how I would get into other positions, what a blast doing things like that... No necessarily water craft, as I may break a wake rule when family is in the other boat! LOL!

More reaearch... the differentiator that convers me is that I will be 41, and going against more experienced people in this economy/business climate. But man, I truly gotta do something I can be passionate about again, which is surely my issue.

Thanks for chiming in....


dogface

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Good point about teaching, that is why I figured training and development.... I wonder how I would get into other positions, what a blast doing things like that... No necessarily water craft, as I may break a wake rule when family is in the other boat! LOL!

More reaearch... the differentiator that convers me is that I will be 41, and going against more experienced people in this economy/business climate. But man, I truly gotta do something I can be passionate about again, which is surely my issue.

Thanks for chiming in....


dogface

Already a good start. You need position yourself on paper to be an educator. While a lot of companies produce their own training departments, if a department kind of sucks, they may be willing to look outside for a professional to help improve programs and processes.

Fuck purchasing. Those jobs get cut every time there's a lay off, the job is boring as hell, and companies are actively trying to figure out how someone in the Philippines can do it cheaper. I had a role that involved a little bit of this and one thing I found out quickly: the people I dealt with at the small suppliers were scary stupid. I wouldn't trust them to coordinate my trash pick up but I had to rely on them to get me a part without shutting the factory down.

 

[marine]

I'm not a fan of people changing career choices.

i'm being brief, but will throw an answer up. when i say "you" i do not mean you personally.

if you are trying to change your area of "functional work" there are some challenges.

1. You are going to want the same salary for the new job (or more) that you earned at your old job.

- now that is understandable, because you have a quality of life to maintain and bills to pay
- you're paid on the value you bring to your job though. you likely don't have the same skills in the new functional skill choice that you did in your old one.

That's what stops most people right there from switching careers.


2. I, as an employer, want to hire someone with skills in the right area. unless i am looking for an entry level, don't come to me asking for an experienced person salary with zero skills in that area.
It is a buyer's market right now. I'm not going to roll the dice and hire someone without the right pedigree.



Best thing I can recommend you to do. Take some kind of transfer at your current company to a functional area that you want. That way you can build up some sort of base of skills for yourself, while still working for a company that knows who you are, values you, and would be more willing to keep your salary range.

As a sidenote - salespeople always have a tough time changing careers because of the sales track record on your resume.
I, for one, simply delete the resume. Most sales people have big fat egos because you make your compay a lot of money by being good at selling. Which means, YOU make a lot of money as well.
don't have much time to get into it right now, but in my opinion, there are really bad stereotypes around sales spots. you'll need to really fight hard to get past that stereotype - and i would hazard a guess that if you are able to find a new employer that will let you take the new functional area, it will be from within your immediate circle of friends that know who you are personally and have an established trust with you.


just my 2 cents.

 

[THE KOD]

, but in my opinion, there are really bad stereotypes around sales spots. you'll need to really fight hard to get past that stereotype -.

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what are you talking about ?

please explain that part

 

[MadJack]

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what are you talking about ?

please explain that part

drinking and whoring around :facepalm:

 

[THE KOD]

drinking and whoring around :facepalm:

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oh then now I understand :142smilie

 

[marine]

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what are you talking about ?

please explain that part

Your success is measured by the amount of $$$ you make your company/ how many sales you made - and there is nothing wrong with that at all. seriously. make money. it is good.

it is very individual based

when a "great" sales guy tries to tell me what a great team player he is, how its always "win-win" with him, and what great leadership skills they have; i throw up in my mouth.


I dislike sales guys because I can't have a normal conversation with them about anything at all - work, social, football, cars - without them interjecting 17 times in the conversation that "they can help with that" and trying to sell me whatever product it is.

 

[MadJack]

Your success is measured by the amount of $$$ you make your company/ how many sales you made - and there is nothing wrong with that at all. seriously. make money. it is good.

it is very individual based

when a "great" sales guy tries to tell me what a great team player he is, how its always "win-win" with him, and what great leadership skills they have; i throw up in my mouth.


I dislike sales guys because I can't have a normal conversation with them about anything at all - work, social, football, cars - without them interjecting 17 times in the conversation that "they can help with that" and trying to sell me whatever product it is.

You just don't like salesman. Period.

 

[Chadman]

Hey, dog, I guess I'm looking at things from a bit of a different perspective, FWIW. I realize the money aspect, but you mention two important issues that I think deserve some focus. You say you love teaching, you clearly can do that, and you want to think about staying at home more for your son.

Other than making more money, what would be better for your self-gratification and being home for your son (more gratification) than being a teacher? You'd make decent money, good benefits, be home every night (early, actually) and weekend, have summers off, and would have extra time to do other things to make some more money.

Just saying... maybe your question has a more basic answer than you are giving it credit for. You'd be true to yourself, your son, happier (in most ways), with a much better schedule, and you could always supplement income in other ways, if you feel thats important.

Maybe I'm WAY off here, just trying to give you a different perspective. Maybe you should listen to some of what you are saying, in your own evaluation of your place in life, and what's important? GOOD luck to you - always a great idea to evaluate things, and you have a great perspective and value set to think about it.

 

[UGA12]

Hey, dog, I guess I'm looking at things from a bit of a different perspective, FWIW. I realize the money aspect, but you mention two important issues that I think deserve some focus. You say you love teaching, you clearly can do that, and you want to think about staying at home more for your son.

Other than making more money, what would be better for your self-gratification and being home for your son (more gratification) than being a teacher? You'd make decent money, good benefits, be home every night (early, actually) and weekend, have summers off, and would have extra time to do other things to make some more money.

Just saying... maybe your question has a more basic answer than you are giving it credit for. You'd be true to yourself, your son, happier (in most ways), with a much better schedule, and you could always supplement income in other ways, if you feel thats important.

Maybe I'm WAY off here, just trying to give you a different perspective. Maybe you should listen to some of what you are saying, in your own evaluation of your place in life, and what's important? GOOD luck to you - always a great idea to evaluate things, and you have a great perspective and value set to think about it.

FWIW I am a teacher and 100% fall into this category.

 

[marine]

You just don't like salesman. Period.

i was a salesman for awhile myself.. i hated me too. LOL

outside of work, they are fine. as soon as they even hint at talking work.. conversation over.

 

[lawtchan]

i was a salesman for awhile myself.. i hated me too. LOL

outside of work, they are fine. as soon as they even hint at talking work.. conversation over.

good,

I'm in the dreaded 'Pharamceutical sales'...

I NEVER bring up work in social events unless asked specific question.....

and NO, I won't tell you how good I am..I am humbled to have a job that offers me the flexibility/ownership of my business...:0008 :0008


I don't know if I could sit behind a desk for 8 hours anymore....

 

[marine]

good,

I'm in the dreaded 'Pharamceutical sales'...

I NEVER bring up work in social events unless asked specific question.....

and NO, I won't tell you how good I am..I am humbled to have a job that offers me the flexibility/ownership of my business...:0008 :0008


I don't know if I could sit behind a desk for 8 hours anymore....

i'm kinda in the same boat as you.. love my flexibility.
and i will lie my ass off to people about what i do. as soon as i say recruiter.. 15 people think i am their best fucking friend.. LOL.

 

[The Joker]

Changing careers in 2011 - totally new for me - never been a part of this field until 2011.

 

[dawgball]

i'm kinda in the same boat as you.. love my flexibility.
and i will lie my ass off to people about what i do. as soon as i say recruiter.. 15 people think i am their best fucking friend.. LOL.

The way you describe sales people is the way I think about recruiters (and realtors).

I'm friends with a few recruiters but my stomach turns when they start talking about work.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

The way you describe sales people is the way I think about recruiters.

I thought the same thing. :mj07:

 

[marine]

The way you describe sales people is the way I think about recruiters (and realtors).

I'm friends with a few recruiters but my stomach turns when they start talking about work.

for what it's worth, I feel the same way about the 3rd party recruiters & staffing firms.

on the totem pole that life is, they are the slimiest of them all.


This summer I happened to be invited to a small gathering to welcome home a good friend of mine from iraq. Hadn't seen him in about 5 years and he's been through 3 deployments over there. Got there, and his wife is a 3rd party recruiter and started telling me how she could solve all my problems... said hi, and bye to my buddy in one breath.

they are sneaky, unethical, self serving, shitballs.

 

[saint]

Insurance sales reps are the worst IMO.

I got a call from the wife of a dental school classmate. Not really a friend, but I know him from school.

She talked my staff into getting me up from seeing someone's child to talk to her. I at first felt terrible because I thought I must have met her and didn't remember.

So I get up, unglove, go to a private phone....and the fucking cunt tries to sell me insurance. I swear my head almost exploded My BP is going up just think of the dumb bitch.

I have a rule now, if you refuse to tell my front desk why you are calling, or you leave me a voice mail and are unknown and you don't identify what you do or why you are calling, there is a 99% chance they are trying to sell me something and a 100% chance I'm not calling back.

Sorry to derail the thread :sadwave: