Humans set foot on the moon?

[Agent 0659]

You guys just aren't very smart. It's fine, I promise not to hold it against you.

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[fatdaddycool]

You guys just aren't very smart. It's fine, I promise not to hold it against you.

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Actually, quite the opposite. You see it your way, I see it mine. It just depends on what you see it through, of course , your vision would be blurred from all the tongue marks on the glass.:0008

 

[kickserv]

Keep in mind afkaa has a little trouble with that whole math and science thing.

yeah....."humans have never been on the moon".

Yeah....ok:mj07:


Thousands in that cover-up....thousands.

Gimmie a fucking break:facepalm:

 

[ImFeklhr]

I guess that is just how people think and you can't blame people to be a bit pessimistic. We are lied to at birth with fairy tales and people try to guide us with their beliefs from the time we could listen.

This is almost all of it for me. The government and society lie to you constantly, so sometimes your mind goes to "conspiracy theories" to explain some of the bigger events in the world.

Moreover it's a fine line between healthy suspicion and conspiracy theory. If some people too easily believe every contrary theory they hear, there are an equal amount of people who by default believe the "company line" for everything. It's human nature on both ends.

Probably most of us exist somewhere in the middle.
The only way you can ?believe? or know something is true is by evaluating all the available evidence. But with something so expansive as 9/11 or Moon landing no one person has the expertise or time to single handedly understand all the details.
So we are left using our personal judgment of the publicly available evidence to fill in the gaps. The farther removed you are from a situation the harder it is for your judgment to be sufficient.

If your best friend tells you something, you have a certain familiarity with him to judge whether he is full of shit or not. But how do we apply that same judgment to what the government and a group of experts and scientists tell us? Again, most of us don?t have time or expertise to analyze the qualifications of the entire government/scientific community. So our judgment boils down to trust in the system. We trust people rose to the top of their respective fields because they are talented or smart. We then accept what they say, especially if there are a lot of people with similar qualifications who think the same.
It gets tricky when other people, who claim to have the same qualifications disagree! Then who do we believe?

I can?t honestly tell you exactly why I believe certain things and not other things. Can anybody?
Who do you typically believe, and who are you suspicious of? And why?

I like to think I am not just following the crowd, or the most popular beliefs, but isn?t it human nature (and even somewhat smart) to consider the sheer amount of people who believe something in deciding whether you agree. Again, since we can?t figure everything out ourselves, we kinda have to piggy-back our beliefs on others?.

I think so called conspiracy theorists provide a healthy check on the system. I also think people who share the majority opinion on something should be happy there are people constantly questioning things, because that keeps everyone honest, and ultimately makes us all smarter and leads to greater trust in whatever ?truth? is ultimately accepted.

 

[marine]

This is almost all of it for me. The government and society lie to you constantly, so sometimes your mind goes to "conspiracy theories" to explain some of the bigger events in the world.

Moreover it's a fine line between healthy suspicion and conspiracy theory. If some people too easily believe every contrary theory they hear, there are an equal amount of people who by default believe the "company line" for everything. It's human nature on both ends.

Probably most of us exist somewhere in the middle.
The only way you can ?believe? or know something is true is by evaluating all the available evidence. But with something so expansive as 9/11 or Moon landing no one person has the expertise or time to single handedly understand all the details.
So we are left using our personal judgment of the publicly available evidence to fill in the gaps. The farther removed you are from a situation the harder it is for your judgment to be sufficient.

If your best friend tells you something, you have a certain familiarity with him to judge whether he is full of shit or not. But how do we apply that same judgment to what the government and a group of experts and scientists tell us? Again, most of us don?t have time or expertise to analyze the qualifications of the entire government/scientific community. So our judgment boils down to trust in the system. We trust people rose to the top of their respective fields because they are talented or smart. We then accept what they say, especially if there are a lot of people with similar qualifications who think the opposite.
It gets tricky when other people, who claim to have the same qualifications disagree! Then who do we believe?

I can?t honestly tell you exactly why I believe certain things and not other things. Can anybody?
Who do you typically believe, and who are you suspicious of? And why?

I like to think I am not just following the crowd, or the most popular beliefs, but isn?t it human nature (and even somewhat smart) to consider the sheer amount of people who believe something in deciding whether you agree. Again, since we can?t figure everything out ourselves, we kinda have to piggy-back our beliefs on others?.

I think so called conspiracy theorists provide a healthy check on the system. I also think people who share the majority opinion on something should be happy there are people constantly questioning things, because that keeps everyone honest, and ultimately makes us all smarter and leads to greater trust in whatever ?truth? is ultimately accepted.

Well written man. well written. While reading it, all I could think of was "RELIGION RELIGION RELIGION".

The battle with disenters vs agreers is that all too often, the people that "question" or disagree with a widely accepted belief do so without any shred of "proof" or evidence to support their claim.

Saying "It was fake, it was rigged, etc etc," is just that. The statements hold no weight and should not even be acknowledged without some semblance of proof/logic/factual basis to support the statement.

Thus, when you have a situation like we have in this thread, where someone believes that we did not really land on the moon because... we only had one tank of gas and couln't possibly get that many miles to the gallon.. it makes it hard to give that any sense of credibility because of the glaring ignorance of the laws of math, science and physics.

We look at those people as fools, dolts, and/or crackpots because of their wild belief in the suspension of reality under their guise of "they are lying to us".
What angers and frustrates the larger group is that these overly vocal 1% tend to be very loud, and very condescending to the people that use logic and evidence to understand things and often call us fool or sheep because we are not able to imagine a world without the laws of math, physics, and sciences and are unable and quite often unwilling to disregard the laws of math, physics, and science that are in place all around us day after day.. so that we can suspend reality and stand on our chair and pretend we are smarter than everyone else because "they faked us out"

 

[marine]

Consider this peculiar fact: in order to reach the surface of the Moon from the surface of the Earth, the Apollo astronauts would have had to travel a minimum of 234,000 miles*. Since the last Apollo flight allegedly returned from the Moon in 1972, the furthest that any astronaut from any country has traveled from the surface of the Earth is about 400 miles. And very few have even gone that far. The primary components of the current U.S. space program ? the space shuttles, the space station, and the Hubble Telescope ? operate at an orbiting altitude of about 200 miles.

(*NASA gives the distance from the center of Earth to the center of the Moon as 239,000 miles. Since the Earth has a radius of about 4,000 miles and the Moon?s radius is roughly 1,000 miles, that leaves a surface-to-surface distance of 234,000 miles. The total distance traveled during the alleged missions, including Earth and Moon orbits, ranged from 622,268 miles for Apollo 13 to 1,484,934 miles for Apollo 17. All on a single tank of gas.)

To briefly recap then, in the twenty-first century, utilizing the most cutting-edge modern technology, the best manned spaceship the U.S. can build will only reach an altitude of 200 miles. But in the 1960s, we built a half-dozen of them that flew almost 1,200 times further into space. And then flew back. And they were able to do that despite the fact that the Saturn V rockets that powered the Apollo flights weighed in at a paltry 3,000 tons, about .004% of the size that the principal designer of those very same Saturn rockets said would be required to actually get to the Moon and back (primarily due to the unfathomably large load of fuel that would be required).

To put that into more Earthly terms, U.S. astronauts today travel no further into space than the distance between the San Fernando Valley and Fresno. The Apollo astronauts, on the other hand, traveled a distance equivalent to circumnavigating the planet around the equator ? nine-and-a-half times! And they did it with roughly the same amount of fuel that it now takes to make that 200 mile journey, which is why I want NASA to build my next car for me. I figure I?ll only have to fill up the tank once and it should last me for the rest of my life.



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According to this logic, GPS (and Dish/Directv) should never exist. All those satellites up there in space orbitting around the earth over and over again.. they should have run out of gas by now!

 

[comfortable1]

Agree with Marine... well written ImFeklhr:0074

Also like Marine's points... on the topic of religion it never ceases to amaze me how people can accept such significant explanations regarding the nature, purpose and morality of humans on blind faith. It's like believing in Santa Claus your whole life.

 

[kickserv]

Yep......one can believe in some all mighty god and some dude that puts every animal on earth on a boat.

Pray to some man in the sky, yeah ok:lol:

Yep....believe in that bullshit.

But......"man on the moon"....cover up for sure:mj07:

Unreal:facepalm:


Oh and gotta love that math from afkaa......:lol:

 

[kickserv]

Twenty-four astronauts have been on or near the Moon. Twelve of these landed on the Moon and actually walked on its surface.


All covered up huh......:facepalm:

Yep........thousand and thousand of people involved.

Yep:mj07:

Of course you really can only go about 400 miles according to afkaa math:mj07:

 

[zig]

Yep......one can believe in some all mighty god and some dude that puts every animal on earth on a boat.

Pray to some man in the sky, yeah ok:lol:

Yep....believe in that bullshit.

But......"man on the moon"....cover up for sure:mj07:

Unreal:facepalm:


Oh and gotta love that math from afkaa......:lol:

I agree with some of your points, but why always so condescending to people who don't happen to agree with you?

 

[kickserv]

I am going to update my "cover up" list.......


1. Ferdinand Magellan was not the first circumnavigate the Earth.

Reason: He actually only sailed for 7 km, he sank and drowned off coast of Portugal. Trip lasted 1 hour. Cover up involved entire nation of Portugal. Even today Portuguese will tell you that Magellan made the trip.

2. No human being has ever climbed Everest. Ever.

Reason: It is slippery and very cold. Come on people, obvious cover up. Oh and all the Sherpas are in fact aliens from the planet Zoltar.

3. Human Beings have never been into space.....ever.

Reason: I mean come on people it is a long way up, let's be real. There is a giant net right before ya hit the ozone layer. Any flying apparatus is caught in the net if you get up that high. There are roughly 67 thousand people involved in this cover-up.

4. No human being has ever been to the North Pole

Reason: It is cold, I mean come on people, it is really cold. Any photos and video you see form the North Pole was actually filmed in comfortable1's backyard.

5. Titanic never really sank

Reason: Back in 1912 James Cameron grandfather orchestrated the cover-up. 85 years later James rolled in the dough making the movie. One of the best cover-ups ever:SIB

And I say again, in 2012 you can't really hide too much from the population of the world. Yet for years and years thousands of people are involved in the biggest cover-up in human history. Yeah ok:facepalm:

 

[kickserv]

Zig....I do agree with you on my point about being condescending towards those that don't believe any of the 24 astronauts were anywhere near the moon.

I consider myself a very open person and always listen to each person's thoughts and reasons why one viewpoint is better then the other.

But when it comes to "the moon landing" being covered up by thousands of people for almost 50 years, I draw the line.

I mean come on.

And then when you read the complete bullshit math from afkaa you can't help from being condescending.

It is hard enough to get 10 people in a room to keep a secret. Let alone thousands and thousands and thousands of people and 100's of millions of dollars and numerous countries to all agree on a massive cover-up of an epic scale.

It really is comical.


There are/were 19 different countries involved in the numerous missions to the moon.

All involved in the cover-up for sure:lol:

 

[zig]

Actually that's where I agree with you. I was referring to you bringing God into your argument. You've stated before that you don't believe. That's fine. I just think it's not cool to laugh at people because they do.

 

[kickserv]

Zig.......fair enough:0008

Note: Better to laugh then to be judged as evil, just sayin'

And good to see I am not the only one stunned by this poll. I thought maybe 1 person would be on the "cover up" side of things. Boy was I wrong.

 

[PRO ONE NINETY]

Looks like I'm the only one correct....

Armstrong stepped on the Moon on July 21 1969...
Space Travel is Officially recorded in UTC Time..

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Kickserve: Was it the winner gets a 50ltr Keg of MooseHead and a Official Maple Leaf Jersey... :lol:

 

[kickserv]

My part in the "cover up" gets me a Maple Leaf Jersey...sweet:00hour

 

[Agent 0659]

This should keep the hamsters busy for a while.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6rAUaeL-rY

 

[kickserv]

afkaa.....I was waiting for your math tutorial.

And nice video:142smilie

 

[ImFeklhr]

This should keep the hamsters busy for a while.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6rAUaeL-rY

The user name of the person who uploaded that video seems familiar: pt1gard
Wasn't that a madjacker?

Interesting pictures, but the conversations in the comments is full of the most immature vitrol I have seen.

I'd be interested in some of the explanations for no tire tracks, but they basically devolve into middle school insults.

 

[MadJack]

The user name of the person who uploaded that video seems familiar: pt1gard
Wasn't that a madjacker?

Interesting pictures, but the conversations in the comments is full of the most immature vitrol I have seen.

I'd be interested in some of the explanations for no tire tracks, but they basically devolve into middle school insults.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295205

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