If OU plays USC tomorrow on a neutral field, what is the spread?

[Pujo21]

Questions: do they still have this Computer Mumbo Jumbo this year?

Because i was wondering what impact Notre Dame would have on some of the ratings ?

Now that Notre Dame beat Tennessee And then what happens if they beat Southern Cal.

 

[bbk]

Great post OKC you are so right. Everyone in this forum knows that Sagarin ratings are flawed that is why people dont go by them. I love the stats THIS YEAR that show how DOMINANT the big xII has been against the Toilet 9. You can't get better proof than heads up competition. An Oreg team that was one catch away from beating the "so called" :142lmao: number one team Cal at Cal; that got dominated by OU. Its funny people forget OU's horrible secondary held Oreg to 7 pts their lowest output in what 10 or 20 years and now they are horrible. OSU beating up on UCLA team that scott himself said could upset USC (that shows how bad the PAC 10 really is) and the cellar dwellers of the big XII beating Wash State. No hidind from those facts.
As far as Auburn the only problem I have with them is their non conf schedule, they had a horrible non conf sched and at if you look at USC with the Vtech game and OU with Houston, BG, and Oreg that is respectible. I think you have to look at the overrall schedule. Auburn basically has 2 good wins; at Tenn and at home against LSU in a game they should have dominated but needed a late td and a missed extra point to win it; other than that they have no other imressive wins; that is why they are behind in the BCS; what if there was no champ game would a win over Geog and a win over Bama a team that could have 4 losses when you play them be enough. Is a win at home against Georgia bigger than a win against 10-1 Texas team on a neutral field. Its a tough call
That is why we need a playoff. But like I have always said I believe someone will lose and things will take care of each other.

 

[Master Capper]

Scott,


Each time you post your myopic ignorant USC rants they are flawed and illogical. First of all, you still have failed to address the question of what is the Pac 10's record against the Big 12 this year? Secondly, you have attacked Sagarin rankings in the past but now that they are skewed to fit in the parameter of your argument they are acceptable? Scott, no matter how much you rant and rave about USC and the Pac 10 let's face the facts the conference is a two horse league with a dramatic drop-off between the second and third place teams and the bottom of the league is absolutely brutal with Arizona and Washington! The middle of the league is what it is consisting of teams that are good enough to beat bad teams out of conf but not strong enough to play with the big boys. For what reason other than SOS do you have to support that USC deserves to go to a championship game over Auburn, Okie or Wisc if they all finish undefeated? Please don't tell me the polls as the polls do not reflect what is transpiring on the gridiron and we both know that USC would have to lose a game to fall from number one even of Okie, Wisc and Aub all collectively won their final games by a average of over 40 points. You should your inability to rationalize about USC in another thread when they struggled against a average to below average OSU team, blaming it on fog is weak! If the sock was on the other foot and Okie struggled against someone due to weather you would ridicule them and downgrade their performance but yet it is acceptable to have excuses about USC performance against a team that was absolutely pummeled by another unbeaten team Boise State.

 

[Scott4USC]

BBK

love the stats THIS YEAR that show how DOMINANT the big xII has been against the Toilet 9. You can't get better proof than heads up competition.

Since the Pac 10 is 6-2 vs. the SEC in their last 8 meetings, I guess the Pac 10 hands down is better than the SEC in the last few years according to YOUR logic. So I guess you can stop the talk about how the SEC is superior to the Pac 10. Please don't take offense to me using your own words against you BBK.

Great post OKC you are so right. Everyone in this forum knows that Sagarin ratings are flawed that is why people dont go by them.

You say his ratings are flawed, but you fail to explain why? Is Sagarin bias? Why are they flawed?

Master Capper

Each time you post your myopic ignorant USC rants they are flawed and illogical.

I not only explained but proved why your arguments were flawed. You failed to explain why mine are? When you compare USC schedule to OU you cannot include OU playing OU to strengthen your argument.

Secondly, you have attacked Sagarin rankings in the past but now that they are skewed to fit in the parameter of your argument they are acceptable?

Where did I attack Sagarin's rankings in the past? I never did. I have attacked the computer polls for not distinguishing between home/away games and margin of victory. That is where I disagree with computer polls and SOS. Much much harder to win on the road vs at home.

I agree with you MC that the Pac 10 drops off after USC and CAL. I also agree Arizona and UW are bad teams. #3-#6 in the Pac 10 is solid/talented, #7 &#8 is average at best but are competitive. I think you can say that about every conference.

For what reason other than SOS do you have to support that USC deserves to go to a championship game over Auburn, Okie or Wisc if they all finish undefeated?[/QUOTE]

How can you compare teams if you cannot compare who they played? Doesn't make sense MC. USC played more road games and against tougher opponents depending on who your comparing USC against. (OU played less road games but against some quality competition and in tough places. AU road schedule is joke. WIscy competition is a joke)

OU like USC has played a lot tougher SOS thus far compared to Wiscy and AU. What arguments do you have against USC being #1? I don't think you can make ANY argument for Wiscy. AU you can't make much of an argument either to be ranked #1. OU you can make somewhat of an argument but it would have helped if they played better the last 2 weeks. OU is fortunate enough not to have 1-2 losses and needed, i repeat NEEDED big breaks. Everyone knows that. USC didn't need or get BIG BREAKS in any of their close victories. USC had a few close victories or tight ball games up until the 2h or 4th quarter. Facts are facts.

Back to OU, I do not think their defense is as bad as people say. OU gave up a lot of $hitty pts especially against Oklahoma St. For example run backs or block punts or fake punts/FG's. Can't blame the OU defense for that. I think OU defense given up 21pts in each of their last 2 games which is not too bad. People are too harsh on OU and their secondary. OU is not a fundamentally sound team and makes way too many mistakes. You agree?

TAKE A LOOK AT HISTORY MC. Teams OFTEN struggle in bad weather. UPSETS happen ALL the time in bad weather or close games happen ALL the time in bad weather. Without question the FOG played a major part in the game. Take a look at the pictures and it will change your opinion! Plus this game was ON THE ROAD!

Fog Pic 1

Fog Pic 2

Fog Pic 3

Fog Pic 4

Give me a break, you still think the Fog played no part?

 

[CWood97]

Give me a break, you still think the Fog played no part?

thats funny, I thought both teams had to play in the fog :shrug:

 

[Master Capper]

1. Anderson didn't seem to struggle in the fog

2. 3-6 are solid above average teams in the Pac 10, I am assuming that these teams would be ASU, Oreg and UCLA? Didn't Oreg get punked by Okie and UCLA at home was destroyed in the trenches by Okie St. ASU peaked at game five and their defense has reverted back to a typical Pac 10 soft defense!

3. Okie's soft def against Okie St, come on Scott, this is the same Okie State team that ran wild on UCLA! How about USC giving up points to Stanford? There is no way Stanford is a better team than Okie State, so where is the criticism of USC defense against a weak Stanford team?

4. Scott, I have pointed out your flaws you just choose to ignore the facts.

5. Road wins are more important than SOS, well I hope your not basing this on USC beating Col State as the Rams have their worse team in Lubbicks career. Thats the only true road game USC has played out of conf.

6. How do you figure that USC has played tougher teams then Okie? Surely even you must admit that the Big 12 South is a pretty strong leagues this year when compared to the Pac 10! Are you basing this on out of conf? USC has played to date Col St, BYU which neither is a juggernaut and Va Tech which is a good team. Okie has played Oreg (whom you claim is above average) and BGSU which is a better team than Col St or BYU at this point in the season.

7. USC has not needed a break this year to win their close games, have you forgot about the phantom interference call vs VA Tech? Or the punt return last week?

8. You still have failed to provide any reason other than your SOS on why USC deserves anything more than Wisky, Aub or Okie!

9. You have still failed to address what is the Pac 10's record against the inferior Big 12?

 

[Pujo21]

I just read THE BCS SYSTEM @ www.bcsfootball.org

Six computer rankings are used :
* Jeff Sagarin
* Anderson & Hester
* Richard Billingley
* Colley Matrix
* Kenneth Massey
* Dr. Peter Wolfe

The teams highest and lowest computer ranking will be will be discarded and the remaining will be averaged. THEN.......

The COMPUTER RANKINGS will be combined with the human element, Associated Press Poll and The ESPN/USA TODAY COACHES Poll and averaged to acsertain a team's BCS Standing.



UTAH the Rodney Dangerfield.

 

[Master Capper]

Personally I hope six teams finish undefeated and the public outcry forces the NCAA's hand and we get rid of this flawed system. The odds are highly unlikely that all six will run the table but I think we can assume that Okie will run the table with Neb, Baylor and then they will play one of the weaker teams from the north in the title game. If Auburn gets by Georgia then I feel they will beat a injury riddled Bama team and will face a Vol's team that has issues at QB. USC should run the table as they play a dreadful Zona, catch ND at home and play a UCLA team that could create some problems. Wisky, should beat MSU this week as their offense just is not the same without Stanton but then they travel to Iowa where the Hawkeyes have not lost in the last 18 games at home. Utah may have a slight struggle with Wyoming this week and then plays BYU at home so the odds are likely that they will lrun the table. Boise should beat San Jose (the 11th member of the Pac 10) and La Tech but they may be in for a wild shootout against Neveda.

 

[volfan]

"Since the Pac 10 is 6-2 vs. the SEC in their last 8 meetings, I guess the Pac 10 hands down is better than the SEC in the last few years according to YOUR logic. So I guess you can stop the talk about how the SEC is superior to the Pac 10."


Scott I admire your passion for your team but I think that this is a stupid statement. I know it was someone else's analogy but it wasn't worth a repeat. Everyone compares apples and oranges, then argue over scenarios that may never play out. WHAT IS THE POINT?????? Wait till bowl season then go at it
I want the ACC in the Peach bowl DAM IT! Got to win one sometime...

 

[Nole]

I want the ACC in the Peach bowl DAM IT! Got to win one sometime...

You want no part of Chris Rix and the mighty Seminoles volfan and you know it!!!

:142lmao:

nole

 

[ET4646]

Exactly, OU squeeked past OKST, granted a rivalry. Than OKST gets rolled by Texas and T A&M. None of this means a dam thing. Anyone can beat anyone

 

[Scott4USC]

volfan

I agree it is somewhat a stupid argument but I enjoy outwitting BBK. Using his own words against him is quite funny.

Master Capper

For starters USC played Colorado St. at USC but I agree they are not very good.

As for the fog, I don't care if OSU struggled or not with the Fog. I know for a fact the Fog had an effect on the USC players AND the coaching staff. Plus the game was at OSU so that helped Anderson. Maybe OSU is used to playing up north in fog. I dunno and don't really care. I think it is very hard to judge teams when they play in $hit weather.

3. Okie's soft def against Okie St, come on Scott, this is the same Okie State team that ran wild on UCLA! How about USC giving up points to Stanford? There is no way Stanford is a better team than Okie State, so where is the criticism of USC defense against a weak Stanford team?

From what I recall, OU defense gave up around 21pts in each of the last 2 games. I do not think that is too bad and I do not just look at stats. As for OSU running wild on UCLA, so have many OTHER teams! UCLA lost 6 seniors from their DL last year and do not have much talent there this year. I think OSU is better than Stanford but when USC played AT Stanford, the QB played awesome and the team played great. But Stanford got a lot of their pts off fluke plays which misleads you into thinking their offense played well against USC. Stanford scored 1 TD off fake FG, 1 TD with 80 yard run with 5 sec. left in 1h, and 1 TD off a tipped INT that put Stanford deep into USC field. 2h USC defense completely dominated Stanford.

6. How do you figure that USC has played tougher teams then Okie? Surely even you must admit that the Big 12 South is a pretty strong leagues this year when compared to the Pac 10! Are you basing this on out of conf? USC has played to date Col St, BYU which neither is a juggernaut and Va Tech which is a good team. Okie has played Oreg (whom you claim is above average) and BGSU which is a better team than Col St or BYU at this point in the season.

For starters OU opened the year playing 4 or 5 straight home games. That does not impress me. OU's most impressive win is against Texas who does not impress me as a top 10 team. Texas is not a great team at all. USC biggest win was against CAL and they are a great team. OU has struggled in 3 games and all 3 games were ON THE ROAD. What if OU played 3 of their first 4 games on the road like USC did? Think about it.
I never said USC has played a MUCH tougher SOS than OU, but USC has played a MUCH tougher SOS than AU.

7. USC has not needed a break this year to win their close games, have you forgot about the phantom interference call vs VA Tech? Or the punt return last week?

That PI was somewhat legit. The WR did in FACT have his hand on the USC DB. If you watched the replay of the game you would see he did have his hand on the DB's back. So right there it does not qualify as a phantom PI. In addition, the ESPN camera DID NOT show the view the SIDELINE REF had when he threw the call. ESPN Camera only showed one side of the play and it was NOT the view the official saw. So how could you call it a phantom PI???? You can't. As for the punt return that is part of the game and everybody in the country knows Bush is an awesome player. As for OU, they received TURNOVERS, for example on kickoff start of 3q the Aggie player cannot even field the ball. BS and pure break for OU. A sound team does not make that mistake and give OU the TD there. Did the OU win impress you? They received a lot of help and you know it. Just like OSU received a lot of help when the played OU. (OU mistakes)

8. You still have failed to provide any reason other than your SOS on why USC deserves anything more than Wisky, Aub or Okie!

Let me spell it out to you again. I compare wins/losses and who you play and where you play in determining my rankings. So I need to factor in SOS and home/away wins. You have not provided reasons for USC not to be #1.

9. You have still failed to address what is the Pac 10's record against the inferior Big 12?

Thought someone in this thread already stated the record? Pac 10 is 0-3 against the Big 12 this year.

 

[Pujo21]

Exactly rite T VOL F.-

it's all a moot point..all that matters is The BCS Rankings and then
the only thing that really matters is THE LINE.


one thing i will say , if USC makes it.. they aint coming cheap...they are going to make you pay this time after their last 2 Bowl games.