If We Drill in the US, We Don't Get the Oil

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Amazing the objections the left is coming up with when they see bulk of americans want to drill and there stance will be a negative come November.

1st it was --you have millions of acres leased already--drill on them--but when it was noted most these properties don't have enough oil to make drilling feasible they come up with this slight of hand.

Does Cenk Uyger expect people in U.S. to sell oil on their land at half the price of world oil price?

Free enterprise sets world prices for oil--we buy oil at same price China or others do--where it comes from doesn't make any diff--the crux of matter is factors that establish price of oil. Does supply demand ring any bells.

Will the 1st Dem step forward and tell us if we (or other countries) have more oil it won't deter Opec and others from naming their price.
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and Matt on your--

"3/03- 1.15/gallon

7/08- 4.00+/gallon

Big f*cking coincidence, huh, Wease?"
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What was price of oil during those times--if your going to use coincidences as such lets get time frame a little closer--

Give us your take on this--
before dems controled congress--after the promise :)

Pelosi: ?With Skyrocketing Gas Prices, Americans Can No Longer Afford Rubber Stamp Congress?
Monday, April 24, 2006

Contact: Brendan Daly/Jennifer Crider, 202-226-7616

Washington, D.C. ? House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on President Bush?s, Speaker Hastert?s, and the Republican Congress? empty rhetoric on gas prices. Key facts on the Majority's failure to address gas prices follows Pelosi?s statement.

With skyrocketing gas prices, it is clear that the American people can no longer afford the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress and its failure to stand up to Republican big oil and gas company cronies. Americans this week are paying $2.91 a gallon on average for regular gasoline ? 33 cents higher than last month, and double the price than when President Bush first came to office.

?With record gas prices, record CEO pay packages, and record oil company profits, Speaker Hastert and the Majority Congress continue to give the American people empty rhetoric rather than join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now.

?Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.?
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fact of the matter dems nor rebs can control price of oil/gas -- other than use less or produce more.

I agree, Wayne. Just a stupid 'campaign promise' from the dems. It's funny that you cite Pelosi for not correcting what this admin caused without mentioning the actual cause.

There is absolutely no question that our Iraq adventure caused this and there is no end in sight on our occupation or the gas prices.

And if W and/or Israel pulls off an attack on Iran before he leaves, 4 dollars will look like a great bargain.
 

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I agree, Wayne. Just a stupid 'campaign promise' from the dems. It's funny that you cite Pelosi for not correcting what this admin caused without mentioning the actual cause.

There is absolutely no question that our Iraq adventure caused this and there is no end in sight on our occupation or the gas prices.

And if W and/or Israel pulls off an attack on Iran before he leaves, 4 dollars will look like a great bargain.

I think Iraq has had very little impact on spike of oil Matt.
If so it would have occurred during start of war and not when war was under control

Would agree whole heartedly that attack on Iran regardless of who is in charge would create huge spike in oil prices "temorarily"--but what is worser of evils--Iran going nuclear or high gas short term.

We agree also on campaign promises from both parties are just that--promises with little consequences or impact on reality.
 

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I think Iraq has had very little impact on spike of oil Matt.
If so it would have occurred during start of war and not when war was under control

Would agree whole heartedly that attack on Iran regardless of who is in charge would create huge spike in oil prices "temorarily"--but what is worser of evils--Iran going nuclear or high gas short term.

We agree also on campaign promises from both parties are just that--promises with little consequences or impact on reality.

The price of gas has been on a sharply upward trend since 3/03, when we invaded and occupied Iraq. It *did* start at the beginning of the war and it continues as the war is 'under control.'

If you're saying it's a coincidence, then fine, but prices started going up immediately after we invaded.

As far as Iran goes?

For one thing, there would be nothing temporary about the spike in fuel pirces.

More importantly, please provide any halfway reliable source that Iran is anywhere near having a nuclear weapon without using the word 'Israel.'.

Haven't we, America, just seen this movie?

Can we actually be this dumb? Again?
 

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Can we be this dumb again? I think this will be answered in NOV. It maybe one reason the change in W DC must be big. And change to John might not be enough. He sounds more like Bush.
One thing forsure drill/drill is not near enough answer for what we need to do.
And service stations who can give 10 cents a gallon disount if you get a car wash. They can stop saying they only make 1 to 2 cents per gallon.
 
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"and yes...mentioning clinton in this discussion is very relevant...he vetoed an entire budget in 95`that opened up federal lands to drilling (i believe) to block the drilling that would have circumvented THIS oil crisis..."

speaking of mental impairment.........

Remind me again of the legislation put forward by the republican controlled congress and Bush from 2000-2006 pushing for more domestic drilling? Remind me again when Bush Jr. repealed his father's ban on increased domestic drilling? It is empty campaign rhetoric put out by the Hannities of the world and lapped up and regurgitated by the weasels of the world.

it was budget related.. the dems were blocking it and the republicans relented on the drilling just so they could get a budget through...

i`m not saying bush isn`t without blame here...i`m honest enough(as many dems on this forum aren`t when bush does something right)to swat his ass when he does the wrong thing...

but,he has come to his senses...mccain,another stupid wanker on this issue...has come to his senses....

many democrats...have come to their senses....

but,there are 2 fossils that lead congress,and they`re in the pockets of the environmentalists.... ..

what`s worse,is the fact that i believe they`re doing it for political reasons,the country be damned...the people be dmaned..

"why not use the lands that are already parcelled?"

because it`s believed that there isn`t squadouche on those parcels...and time`s a wasting...

they know exactly where these huge oil deposits are..they know where the oil shale is in colorado.....they know that nuclear power would be an enormous help...

but,the dems want this country hamstrung through the election....they want the economy to continue to tank...

somebody needs to print the names of those who vote against drilling and nuclear power, so the next time they or their constituents whine about gas prices, it can be thrown back in their faces....

i'm so sick of the hypocrisy....

this is the same f-cking bunch who scream that we didn't connect the dots before 9/11, then when we try and connect the dots, we're invading people's privacy. ....but if we get hit again, why didn't we connect the dots?...

i think this could be a turning point in this election if hammered home.....the one issue that may f-ck the dems....

the dem leadership is trying like hell to shoot themselves in the foot...

hopefully,the republicans get smart and hang this albatross around their necks... morning,noon and night...

wouldn`t it be great, if when gas finally hits $5 a gallon...when the people finally have had enough and these rank populist opportunists would be willing to drill into their own mother's heads for oil,that it`ll be too late and it costs them yet another election...

in a perfect world....



http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/05/despite-oil-crisis-democrats-again.html

willful idiots and stupidos...
 

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The price of gas has been on a sharply upward trend since 3/03, when we invaded and occupied Iraq. It *did* start at the beginning of the war and it continues as the war is 'under control.'

If you're saying it's a coincidence, then fine, but prices started going up immediately after we invaded.

As far as Iran goes?

For one thing, there would be nothing temporary about the spike in fuel pirces.

More importantly, please provide any halfway reliable source that Iran is anywhere near having a nuclear weapon without using the word 'Israel.'.

Haven't we, America, just seen this movie?

Can we actually be this dumb? Again?

Oil/gas has been on upward trend for a decade-
The increase from demand standpoint from developing coutries China-India etc has been staggering--
I'll submit this link--as my basis of assumption of cause
http://www.freedomprize.org/resources/docs/OPEC_CIBC report.pdf

---and be glad to listen to your theory on how iraq war caused it.
 

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Oil/gas has been on upward trend for a decade-
The increase from demand standpoint from developing coutries China-India etc has been staggering--
I'll submit this link--as my basis of assumption of cause
http://www.freedomprize.org/resources/docs/OPEC_CIBC report.pdf

---and be glad to listen to your theory on how iraq war caused it.

I'm going by memory, i'll bet i'm pretty close. From 1998-2003, the price of gas fluctuated between 95 cents- 1.15 a gallon, with most of that time in the 1.05 range.

From 2003-2008, it has gone from 1.15 to 4.20 or so.

So yeah, technically over the 'last decade' fuel has trended upward. Pretty big differences in those 5 year 'trends', though.

As far as my 'theory' goes? You just agreed with me in this thread that fuel will go up even more if Iran gets attacked, but somehow you can't correlate our 5 year invasion/occupation of their next door neighbor to fuel prices?
 

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I once knew a half ass pool player named weasel in knoxville,tn.Weasel ran around with a champion player named billy johnson.This is a true story.Weasel loved to take it in the ASS. When it was a republican that did the deed Weasel called it SEX. When it was a dem he said it was RAPE. Might you be the same weasel.:shrug:

"i`m not a fool because i`m like this...

i`m like this because i`m a fool"....

/don s......

:SIB

i`m not a republican...i`m a conservative..theres a difference..

btw...that was unnecessary,dontcha think?
 
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i`m not a republican...i`m a conservative..theres a difference..

btw...that was unnecessary,dontcha think?

Yeah big difference. You had and ultra conservative named Ron Paul running on the republican ticket and you ran as fast as you could from him while supporting every failed Bush policy. You are a phony conservative in my book. Nothing conservative about you. Maybe anti American worker would be a better description. Hell, wasn't it just the other day you were calling people fools who had a chance to lose a portion of their money in banks they had for years because the money was only insured up to 100 thousand? These are the kind of views a thief would be proud of.
 

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Yeah big difference. You had and ultra conservative named Ron Paul running on the republican ticket and you ran as fast as you could from him while supporting every failed Bush policy. You are a phony conservative in my book. Nothing conservative about you. Maybe anti American worker would be a better description. Hell, wasn't it just the other day you were calling people fools who had a chance to lose a portion of their money in banks they had for years because the money was only insured up to 100 thousand? These are the kind of views a thief would be proud of.

paul is a wingnut....just like buchanan..

the difference between the lame republicans and the lame demcrats is that the republicans treat these fringe idiots like lepers(paul) or chuck them down the memory hole(buchanan)...

the dems embrace their mowrons.....
 

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paul is a wingnut....just like buchanan..

the difference between the lame republicans and the lame demcrats is that the republicans treat these fringe idiots like lepers(paul) or chuck them down the memory hole(buchanan)...

the dems embrace their mowrons.....

Yes GW the Repubs treat everyone who was correct about what would happen if we inaded Iraq like lepers while they embrace all of the scum that was wrong.
 

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Yes GW the Repubs treat everyone who was correct about what would happen if we inaded Iraq like lepers while they embrace all of the scum that was wrong.


well,it looks like a happy ending may be coming stevie...no saddam invading his neighbors,threatening israel,pursuing wmd`s when the focus is off him...no more hit contracts on u.s. presidents...no more inspection ruses from the u.n....no more paydays for suicide bombers......the sunnis are no longer running roughshod over the majority.....

the oil production will surpass saddam`s best by years end...

so by invading iraq,that`s all been reconciled...and as an added bonus,qaddafi` shit his pants worrying that he might be next and gave up his nuclear ambitions...

i`m glad you`re happy about these positive developments...

if not,keep your eyes peeled for the next stw "troop death count" post....;)


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well,it looks like a happy ending may be coming stevie...no saddam invading his neighbors,threatening israel,pursuing wmd`s when the focus is off him...no more hit contracts on u.s. presidents...no more inspection ruses from the u.n....no more paydays for suicide bombers......the sunnis are no longer running roughshod over the majority.....

the oil production will surpass saddam`s best by years end...

so by invading iraq,that`s all been reconciled...and as an added bonus,qaddafi` shit his pants worrying that he might be next and gave up his nuclear ambitions...

i`m glad you`re happy about these positive developments...

if not,keep your eyes peeled for the next stw "troop death count" post....;)


...

Just check the deficit. As for your happy ending then I guess you are ready to pull out?
 

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I'm going by memory, i'll bet i'm pretty close. From 1998-2003, the price of gas fluctuated between 95 cents- 1.15 a gallon, with most of that time in the 1.05 range.

From 2003-2008, it has gone from 1.15 to 4.20 or so.

So yeah, technically over the 'last decade' fuel has trended upward. Pretty big differences in those 5 year 'trends', though.

As far as my 'theory' goes? You just agreed with me in this thread that fuel will go up even more if Iran gets attacked, but somehow you can't correlate our 5 year invasion/occupation of their next door neighbor to fuel prices?

It did go up temporarily when war started (supply cut)and again "slightly" each time terrorist sabataged pipeline (supply again ) but war with Iran would cut off oil from Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as it is shipped through the strait of homuz--which iran contols now and would for short time till thumping took effect. :)

Would still be residual effects however as Irans oil would take some time to get back up and running.
 

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Just check the deficit. As for your happy ending then I guess you are ready to pull out?

---and what do you think his never ending and escalating social programs will do to deficeit--especially now when he wants to escalate funding of war in afgan also.

:0corn

---and while on topic while he's discussing all these wonderful new social programs has he ever discussed how he's going to pay for those in arrears now--wouldn't think adding more before you can pay for those you got is being fiscally responsible--but then again he and wife were ivy league grads and still renting and paying off credit card debt in their 40's--so maybe you have your
1st example of experience and qualifications. :)

---and what say you?
 

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It did go up temporarily when war started (supply cut)and again "slightly" each time terrorist sabataged pipeline (supply again ) but war with Iran would cut off oil from Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as it is shipped through the strait of homuz--which iran contols now and would for short time till thumping took effect. :)

Would still be residual effects however as Irans oil would take some time to get back up and running.

Ok, I got it. It was a coincidence. That's all you had to say.

It went up 'temporarily?' It's been 5 1/2 years, my man. It's tripled. It's gone up almost every week/month since we occupied.

Is that really 'temporary?'
 
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