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Poaching a lion of course has nothing to do with starving children. The analogy is that people care more about an animal's death than they do about a child or multiple children's deaths.

The other issue is people calling for the violent death of a man BC he killed a lion with a name. There's far more uproar here on this site for a dead animal than there is for dead people all the time.

1) poaching this lion was wrong, and the dentist should be prosecuted.
2) the dentist does not deserve death or torture.
3) animals are not equal to humans no matter how despicable the human is.
4) I support legal hunting endeavors.
5) I support full prosecution and penalties whether monetary, loss of privileges, or incarceration for crimes committed against animals, poaching, trespassing, or hunting out of season, and I personally have been involved in his process where I live.
6) if you support this dentist being put into a cage with a lion to meet his gruesome death head-on, you are a sick person.

I concur will all of this. I think the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion but holy hell some of the stuff you guys are writing is plain ridiculous. I was brought up a hunter (mostly deer and turkeys). Don't really have the time to do it right anymore and its too easy to go across the street for a Delmonico when I want a slab of meat. I'm sure most here that think hunting is cruel are meat eaters themselves, but have no clue of the "cruelty" that happened to that Angus steer before that steak hit your plate.
 

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Poaching a lion of course has nothing to do with starving children. The analogy is that people care more about an animal's death than they do about a child or multiple children's deaths.

Cecil was worth a million $ a year in tourist dollars for Zimbabwe - quite a few of those dollars were used in a meaningful way I would assume. Therefor this particular lion's death is in fact directly related to African poverty and starving children. Mr. Palmer and the poachers are responsible for this.
 

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I concur will all of this. I think the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion but holy hell some of the stuff you guys are writing is plain ridiculous. I was brought up a hunter (mostly deer and turkeys). Don't really have the time to do it right anymore and its too easy to go across the street for a Delmonico when I want a slab of meat. I'm sure most here that think hunting is cruel are meat eaters themselves, but have no clue of the "cruelty" that happened to that Angus steer before that steak hit your plate.

sprint..when was the last time you had a lion steak or had lion for thanksgiving dinner?.... wore lion-skin shoes?
 

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sprint..when was the last time you had a lion steak or had lion for thanksgiving dinner?.... wore lion-skin shoes?

Never. I thought I was quite clear mentioning that the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion? Furthermore deserves a hefty punishment. But the death penalty? Torture? What the fuck? The way kick is acting he's making Jerry Sandusky look like a saint!
 

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Never. I thought I was quite clear mentioning that the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion? Furthermore deserves a hefty punishment. But the death penalty? Torture? What the fuck? The way kick is acting he's making Jerry Sandusky look like a saint!

gotcha....:toast:
 

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I concur will all of this. I think the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion but holy hell some of the stuff you guys are writing is plain ridiculous. I was brought up a hunter (mostly deer and turkeys). Don't really have the time to do it right anymore and its too easy to go across the street for a Delmonico when I want a slab of meat. I'm sure most here that think hunting is cruel are meat eaters themselves, but have no clue of the "cruelty" that happened to that Angus steer before that steak hit your plate.

Idiot, nahhh. Evil scumbag is more like it.

Im ok with legal hunting for sport, and I fish deep water for tuna, wahoo, mahi, marlin (release) a couple of times annually. I dont hunt, and it is unlikely i ever will, but yours is a lame and overused argument since the angus you refer to is bred to feed humans. As you know, humans need to eat animals to survive. We struggle to feed the worlds population as is, so removing animals as a food source would be disastrous. Middle class 1st world hunters, like yourself, 6'5", my father, dozens of my friends, etc, are doing it for sport, not sustenance, regardless if you eat your kill. Same with me and my fishing brethren.

I will add that trophy hunting elephants, giraffes, bears, big cats, etc. is despicable on the surface based in my limited knowledge of this practice.
 

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Never. I thought I was quite clear mentioning that the guy was an idiot for illegally killing the lion? Furthermore deserves a hefty punishment. But the death penalty? Torture? What the fuck? The way kick is acting he's making Jerry Sandusky look like a saint!

So, are you saying killing this lion illegally by drawing him away from the preserve and remiving hia collar is the issue, but you are OK with trophy hunting lions within the law?
 

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Cecil was worth a million $ a year in tourist dollars for Zimbabwe - quite a few of those dollars were used in a meaningful way I would assume. Therefor this particular lion's death is in fact directly related to African poverty and starving children. Mr. Palmer and the poachers are responsible for this.

Doubtful that he was the only lion at the preserve and doubtful that him being gone will stop tourist dollars. The park actually got publicity and ink from this Sad story, so I would expect increased revenues.
 

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I don't think I know one hunter. Hunting is much like religion, you are either brought up with it or you were not. If you were brought up with either hunting or religion then you believe in religion and in hunting. Just my opinion.

Lots of truth to that.
 

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So, are you saying killing this lion illegally by drawing him away from the preserve and remiving hia collar is the issue, but you are OK with trophy hunting lions within the law?

I don't know about lions, but you do know there are 1000's of places that have fenced in areas where the rich folk pay ridiculous $$$ to walk in a couple acre pen and kill a "trophy" bear, deer, boar, ect? Wouldn't these animals have been raised to kill (kinda like the angus beef you spoke of)? So to answer you question, yeah if some dolt wants to drop 50K to hang a head on his wall and it's done legally, I don't have a bitch in that. I personally would get no satisfaction in it.
 

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I don't know about lions, but you do know there are 1000's of places that have fenced in areas where the rich folk pay ridiculous $$$ to walk in a couple acre pen and kill a "trophy" bear, deer, boar, ect? Wouldn't these animals have been raised to kill (kinda like the angus beef you spoke of)? So to answer you question, yeah if some dolt wants to drop 50K to hang a head on his wall and it's done legally, I don't have a bitch in that. I personally would get no satisfaction in it.
Pay attention, raised to eat vs. raised to kill as trophies.

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Doubtful that he was the only lion at the preserve and doubtful that him being gone will stop tourist dollars. The park actually got publicity and ink from this Sad story, so I would expect increased revenues.
Read up some more and you'll find smurphy is correct in his assertion that this particular lion was a top attraction and source if revenue........ if the reports are true, that is



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Pay attention, raised to eat vs. raised to kill as trophies.

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So you are cool with this then?

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Because this is how your steak starts out before you buy it at the grocery store.
 

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So you are cool with this then?

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1_aL94_10YE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Because this is how your steak starts out before you buy it at the grocery store.

I won't be playing the video.

I buy organic grass fed beef and organic free range chicken, but realize that all beef and chicken can't be raised by those standards. As mentioned, meat is necessary to feed humanity, so conventionally raised beef and chicken are a necessary "evil", for lack of a better term.

Back to the point, trophy hunting big cats, elephants, etc is a despicable practice in my book. Illegally hunting any animal should be a felony.
 

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Fukin' poachers. This asshole didn't learn this first time when he was charged with poaching a bear. Now a Lion???? Seriuosly???? Lions are endangered are they not? I'm not a hunter, but having nothing against people who hunt for food legally. I'm totally against these Africian trophy hunting safari's for Lions, Elephants, Cheetahs etc that people pay to do. I'd like 60 seconds in a steel cage with this idiot. That's something I'd pay to do.
 
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I won't be playing the video.

I buy organic grass fed beef and organic free range chicken, but realize that all beef and chicken can't be raised by those standards. As mentioned, meat is necessary to feed humanity, so conventionally raised beef and chicken are a necessary "evil", for lack of a better term.

Back to the point, trophy hunting big cats, elephants, etc is a despicable practice in my book. Illegally hunting any animal should be a felony.

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