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I chalk that White pick up to them letting Chow have his way on one, since he was vocal he wanted Leinart. Maybe he put the push on for White and they conceeded.

Love the Philly draft so far.
 

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....unless they thought he was too good to pass at that point.....

This and Blackman's points have to be the two reasons.

As far as the Titans knowing what they are doing, can you say "Pac-Man"? ;)
 

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i think it's too early to tell whether pac-man will be a quality corner.....let's see what happens this year or even next year...
 

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I like the Jets, Texans, and Cards as winners.

The Jets have picked up some real talent and like the Texans, they picked up athletes that can help in the next two years. The Cards are looking good, they filled the gaps they had in their system. Lenoard Pope at 72 is a great pickup.

Atlanta and Seattle look like losers to me.

Alt's first pick of J. Williams (VaTech) is a tall 6'2" at corner and his ability in college to make up for technique will hurt him in the pros. I watch a ton of SEC football, I do not see J. Norwoood (Miss. St.) making it in the League. I know he is to replace the outgoing Duckett, but he is not built like Duckett he will be injured before week 3.

Is it possible that a teams best pick is in the Fifth round? S. Alexander loves to run behind a FB and the addition of Kirtman (USC) can be a gem. He needs to be coached up to play in the League, but Seattle can risk the pick on his potential due to having a nice full roster. I think all of Seattle's picks took a leap of faith, but with a roster like Seattle's you can take fllyers.
 

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blazer..

i agree with you about the cards & jets....i think for a new regime the jets mag't. did a fine job...

as i stated before i like the eagles picks...never have enough linemen....

i also like what denver did by trading up for cutler & trading for walker, the wide receiver from gb..

although i think n.e. needs dbacks, i like their first 2 picks...besides bush, maroney was my favorite runner & since they lost a wr to free agency, i think jackson was a good pick...

i definitely don't like what buffalo did...i like whitner....but why did they draft 2 safetys on the first day.....

here is a guy from yahoo raring yesterdays picks....



By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
April 29, 2006


NEW YORK ? Rarely does one draft pick represent both a big win and a big loss, but the Houston Texans and Mario Williams have landed in that awkward intersection.

Williams scored big Saturday, unseating Southern Cal's Reggie Bush as the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft ? a feat that most deemed unimaginable only a few days ago. At the same time, the Texans suffered a public relations loss, walking away from both Bush and Texas' Vince Young, the two most dynamic and electrifying players in college football last season.

It was said that Houston could pass on Young or Bush, but certainly not both. And yet, that's exactly what the Texans did.

"Vince Young was very popular in Houston and Reggie Bush is, too," Texans owner Bob McNair said Saturday. "So you know, it was a tough choice."

It's one that McNair will have to explain in the coming days to Houston's fan base. It's also a decision he will have to repeatedly defend if Bush or Young continue to star in NFL highlight reels. Selling tickets for a 2-14 team is tough enough, but it's even more difficult to urge patience when that same team passes on players that need only to suit up to excite the locals.

Fans believe Reggie Bush could do that. They know Vince Young could, too. What about Mario Williams, he of raw talent and unpolished skills? His selection doesn't exactly elicit faith that last season's futility hasn't spilled into the offseason, too.

"I realize [the frustration] and I think that's going to be a temporary situation," McNair said. "It's up to us to go out and win football games. We win football games, and they are going to say, 'You made the right decision.' If we don't win football games, they say, 'You're stupid.' "

Therein lies the reality. For now, Williams walks into Houston in triumph and McNair returns in public relations defeat. Whether it stays that way has everything to do with the 2006 wins and losses that have yet to be counted.

Here are some other winners and losers on the draft's first day:

THE WINNERS

Arizona Cardinals ? It may not translate onto the field, but Dennis Green sure has a way of looking great on draft day. After landing what was thought to be one of the best draft classes last season, Green shot to the top of the charts again this year. Not only did he land Mr. Golden Boy, Matt Leinart, but he also added massive guard Deuce Lutui in the second. For good measure, he pounced on Leonard Pope in the third round ? a player some teams had rated as the No. 1 tight end.

Green Bay Packers ? The Packers needed an infusion of talent, and just by sheer bulk alone, they may have had the best first day of the draft. Selecting five players in the first 75 picks is always a nice luxury, and Green Bay picked up some quality talent. The Packers added two of the best linebackers in the country in A.J. Hawk and Abdul Hodge to their porous defense, then accentuated their first-day picks with some lesser-known talent like Darryn Colledge, Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz ? three players who could all contribute as early as next season either as starters or special-teams players.


Tennessee Titans ? From a ticket standpoint, the Titans landed marketing whoppers with their lone pair of picks on Day 1. Watch reruns of the national championship game between USC and Texas, and you'll see why it's going to be so easy to sell Vince Young and LenDale White to the fan base. And getting White in the second round ? despite all of his issues ? is a steal.


Ohio State ? Unlike USC, the Buckeyes' prospects realized all of their pre-draft hype. Ohio State placed five players in the first round ? including two in the top eight picks ? and had seven drafted on the first day alone. By the time it's all said and done, 10 Ohio State players could be chosen in this draft.

Atlantic Coast Conference ? The ACC dominated the first round, with a staggering 12 selections. That's a draft record for a conference. The impressive lineup included four players from Florida State and three from North Carolina State, including the overall No. 1 pick in Williams. Even Miami squeaked out another first-round pick (Kelly Jennings to Seattle at No. 31) to extend its streak of first-rounders to 12 consecutive years.

Philadelphia Eagles ? There's nothing like standing pat and striking it rich. The Eagles considered trading up from No. 14 overall and trying to snag one of two players ? Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley or USC's Winston Justice. Instead, the Eagles waited patiently in the first round and Bunkley slid to them ? and then watched Justice fall just far enough for them to trade up to the 39th overall pick and get him, too. It was an amazing coup that probably had Andy Reid wetting his pants. He got not one but two linemen with first-round ratings.


Defensive backs ? A strong class of players always gets swept up in the first round, and the defensive backs have continued the trend of the last few years by landing a large crop in the first 32 choices. This year, 10 first-round picks were lavished on players in the secondary.

Donte Whitner ? If you want the draft's biggest winner, it has to be Whitner. When Ohio State's season ended, the safety was considered a borderline first-round pick. By the time he had gone through the combine, pro day and personal workouts, he'd caught the eye of the Bills, jumping all the way to No. 8 overall. With his hard work in the last four months, he earned himself somewhere around an extra $6 million to $8 million in guaranteed money.

New England Patriots ? Yes, the Patriots need a shot of defensive talent. But it's hard to knock them spending their first two picks on the likes of Minnesota's Laurence Maroney and Florida's Chad Jackson. Maroney becomes the heir apparent to a slowing Corey Dillon, and the blazing Jackson ? a big wideout with a first-round grade ? somehow fell to them in the second round. The skill positions have been replenished nicely.


THE LOSERS

USC ? It's been a rough few days for the Trojans. First, they had a shadow cast over them by the Reggie Bush investigation and Mark Sanchez arrest. Then, on what was expected to be the shining day for their pro prospects, disaster struck. Bush lost what seemed to be a hammerlock on the first overall pick and Leinart slid all the way to No. 10. But the real smack in the face came when both White and Justice plummeted to the second round because of character concerns. And did we mention that Darnell Bing wasn't drafted on the first day?

Wide receiver crop ? The talk that the top receivers had bolstered their status over the last few months turned out to be hype. Santonio Holmes tumbled to the 25th pick and Jackson ? thought to be top-20 material ? fell into the second round. We should have stuck with our assessment that we had going into the combine: This was a truly crummy receiving class.

LenDale White ? Talk about rolling downhill after your star moment. White reached his apex in the Rose Bowl, then plummeted down the side of a mountain without brakes. He showed up overweight at the combine, followed that up with a horrific pro day, then had a report of a failed drug test surface the week of the draft. When his downward spiral came to a rest, White had gone from top-10 material to the 45th overall pick. For those who are counting, that's a loss of about $8 million in guaranteed money.

Winston Justice ? It was hard to figure out how Justice went from being a potential top 10 to 15 pick to falling into the second round, particularly after having such an impressive pro day. The buzz on Saturday was that teams weren't sold on Justice's character, stemming from his year-long suspension in 2004.

Kurt Warner ? How many times is Warner going to get nailed by the youth movement? First, he got toppled by Marc Bulger in St. Louis, then he had to go through the dread and awkwardness of the Eli Manning experience in New York. And just when it looked like he had found some solid ground in Arizona, Leinart arrives. In a perfect society, Leinart will have to wait his turn, but we know people will ask questions about starting Leinart right away. Maybe Leinart's rookie season will go down like Carson Palmer's first year when he warmed the bench in Cincinnati. But for Warner, it's more likely to be flashbacks of New York.

Ashley Lelie ? Javon Walker is coming to town. So much for Lelie's shot at the No. 1 wide receiver job.

Washington Redskins ? The Redskins traded three draft picks ? including their second-rounder in 2007 ? to move up 18 spots and draft Roger McIntosh in the second round. This is supposed to soothe the pain of letting LaVar Arrington go. We'll see. Roger McIntosh highlight reel
 

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AR182,

I agree

Cutler is a great fit in Denver. Big arm and steady leadership. He is also a good fit for Denver as a city.

Lienhart would have been a square peg in Nashville. A west coast guy that may/may not have hooked up with Paris Hilton would not fare well here. I guess the Titans are destined to be a 3-yards and a pile of dust team and Nashville should enjoy being a "big-town" city.
 

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Lienhart would have been a square peg in Nashville.

Then, if not Leinart, take Cutler who has the potential to run an offense. I think Bud Adams is more concerned about selling jerseys than winning games.

AR -- I have no patience for a thug like Pacman Jones. On-field performance can rarely make up for it. I tried to like him this season, but he just kept on making terrible decisions off the field. And it didn't help that he aboslutely SUCKED on the field. He is a cancer to a team, and I can not wait until his tenure here is done.

Vince Young is not a thug from what I know, but I like to see slightly more intelligent people running an offense that I am pulling for. Man, I hate to see McNair go! The Titans, in general, this offseason have just really turned me off as a fan.
 

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dawgball....

i can understand how you feel....

in another thread i thought the titans should have traded their pick for a later pick in round 1 but no later that #10 (make sure that they were in front of az) & then take cutler....

i'm confused with what the giants did with their first pick...they have 2 all-pro defensive ends...they drafted a guy named tuck from nd last year & he played well this year...it makes no sense to me what the giants did....
 

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I hear you dawg. I think Young would have been there much later in the draft (if that had to be thier man) and the Titans could have parlayed anothr pick even if that was a 2nd rounder.

I think Cutler or even Croyle could be a good fit after sitting for a year behind Volek.
 

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Alt's first pick of J. Williams (VaTech) is a tall 6'2" at corner and his ability in college to make up for technique will hurt him in the pros.
Also, Williams might be a bigger jerk than Marcus Vick. He seems like the kind of guy who'll get paid and never improve. I guess D'Angelo Hall vouched for him and might be able to mentor him a bit, but I wouldn't count on it.

Like last year, I loved the Cards draft. This team is doing the right things and it will have start showing eventually.
 

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I think the Cowboys draft was good, but not as good as last year. The big winners in this draft were the Cardinals, Packers, Titans, and Texans in this years draft. Texans will make an impact on their team immediately with Mario Williams who will be a star in the NFL. Packers got safest pic of the draft in Hawk. Cardinals get Leinhart, not a bad move if Warner is to mentor him the kid could be good - got a great QB situation there. Titans get Young, who will nicely replace McNair - a fit for their franchise situation.

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Titans get Young, who will nicely replace McNair - a fit for their franchise situation.

In my opinion, the only thing that McNair and Young have in common is the color of thier skin.

"Air" McNair is known for his arm not his legs.

With that being said, I only hope I am wrong about this kid because I think he is going to be awful in the pros. He is not Michael Vick.
 
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