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[Scott4USC]

if you believe that san antonio may have won games 3 or 4 if they had gotten calls, you have to also believe that detroit might have won games 1 and 2 if not for all the ticky tack fouls. there is a happy medium and hopefully the refs will let the players decide who is the best team over the next 3 games.

osc

The problem with your statement is in SA they generally call fouls by the book. You don't see nearly as many horrible calls going SA way. That is the way Spurs play. By the book. Pistons play street ball and get in your face. That is not basketball by rule book.

Games 3 and 4 you clearly see fouls Detroit made that were not called. In games 1 and 2 it is just ticky tack fouls being called against Detroit but everyone agrees for most part, they are fouls. How many blatant fouls were not called against Detroit in SA? Now compare that # to how many no calls Spurs are getting in games 3 and 4. Also explain why Spurs players fall down every time they drive and shoot? My guess is they are horrible athletes with horrible balance. Now which way is fairly officiated?

How can Duncan score by getting WHACKED in the arm? BOOOM! Just that "one" blown call a 5pt swing in Detroits favor @Detroit where fans go wild and team now has confidence and lead. Think about it. NO EXCUSES FOR NOT CALLING THAT A FOUL! I am not making anything up. Just posting what my eyes are seeing.

 

[oldschoolcapper]

by the book?

what do you call by the book? ben wallace having position getting knocked down by gino and its a defensive foul? anyone from the spurs driving in the lane and getting freebies if a pistons player is within an arm's reach? give me a break. that's not basketball. give the pistons some credit. their "streetball" got them the championship last year and the worst they'll do this year is second place.

were some calls missed? yes, but that's basketball.
were too many calls made in the first two games? yes, but that's basketball.

if it comes down to game 7, i hope the refs let them play and don't give it to the spurs because they're at home.

osc

 

[Bombs]

Officiating is all a matter of perspective, but, in my mind, the officiating in San Antonio was an absolute joke. And, especially in Game 1, every important call in the fourth quarter went the Spurs way.

In Detroit, these were just beatdowns. The "5 point swing" 5 minutes into the game did not cause the beatdown. In both of the first two games, San Antonio repeatedly got momentum from the refs. By the end of Game 2, it was completely in the Pistons' heads and they were just whining about everything. It took them completely out of their game. Contrast this to the situation here, where the Spurs were just getting waxed off the court, and were making the "sad Spurs faces".

 

[Scott4USC]

Difference between officiating in games 1/2 vs 3/4 is players getting hacked. Obvious fouls not being called in games 3/4 and ticky tack (but contact fouls) that are being called. TV REPLAYS SHOW IT! No contest, Pistons getting away with more "obvious" fouls in gamed 3/4 vs Spurs getting away with "obvious" fouls in 1/2. That is calling a game by the book vs street ball. Pistons make contact on defense, foul is called in SA but not in Detroit. Now what does the "book" say? Spurs cannot play when they get completely hacked and no officials have the balls to make a call against the home team. Yes a 5pt swing in 1q got Pistons off to tremendous start and no doubt gave them confidence and "room for error" while Spurs started having little room for error and became frustrated. I don't there there were ANY plays where Duncan hit a Pistons players arm and not touch ball and no foul was called. If there were, did it result in a 5pt swing?

Pistons won NBA championsip last year largly because every opponent they faced suffered a crucial injury to star player. EVERY OPPONENT! Amazing huh? This year, Pistons benefited from Indiana and Miami missing star players and having star players playing injured. How do they do it? Those are facts nobody can dispute about the Pistons and there sucess. For some reason, media never mentions it. Look at Spurs in finals. Duncan not 100%, Gino not 100%, Devin Brown was key player for Spurs in season who isn't really in playoff rotation because of injury suffered. Pistons always seem to catch a break.

 

[maverick2112]

The problem with your statement is in SA they generally call fouls by the book. You don't see nearly as many horrible calls going SA way. That is the way Spurs play. By the book. Pistons play street ball and get in your face. That is not basketball by rule book.

Scott if you think gm 1 and 2 were called fairly and games 3 and 4 were not then there is no hope for your bias opinion.........

I am pulling for Detroit and I will admit it but I can say without a doubt........Last year 5 games and this year 4 games......thats 9 games total.......

THE HOME TEAM IN THE NBA IS GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT........THERE IS NO ARGUING THIS POINT..........IN FACT AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER IN THE NBA PLAYOFFS THE ROAD TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE TO WIN A GAME DESPITE THE REFS. THATS JUST HOW IT IS.........IF YOU WANNA WIN A ROAD GAME YOU BETTER DOMINATE ENOUGH TO NOT LET IT BE DECIDED BY THE REFS OR YOU ARE SCREWED........

SA got just as much benefit in the first 2 gms as Det has these last 2.......if you remember it was Detroit that was in foul trouble constantly in SA.......

 

[pt1gard]

congrats mav, your deet future is looking more and more promising ... I will be first to admit I thought spurs for sure would win 1 in deet if not 2 ... but i dont see them winning any now --- they have a coach who has appeared to half quit and TD's expression was shellshock late in game on bench ... deet is getting HUGE contributions from LH and Dice now ... if thats gonna happen then spurs have no chance in auburn hills and things dont look so good at home either ... Mav you made comment that maybe deet was drained in opening 2 games, it might be so .. and Ben is monster again now, like he's playing with Flubber on his soles

sports are a great, humbling thing to skeptics ... we'd thnik we'd all learn by now ... i recall my lil brother flying to NYC (hes huge yankee fan, and Im talking roy white/Murcer days) when they played braves for first time in ages in WS and ATL beat NY something like 14-0 and 12-1, then Braves went home and lost 4 straight after that .... shoot who knows for sure, and this series has proven that once again ... I really like deet in game 5, I mean minus 3 again??!! ... thats just no respect, theyve blown Spurs doors off and humbled them into pygmies just like they did lakers in Detroit last year ... this is the Piston team we all recall in Finals LY ... and spurs now look like woosies ...

I love it, im cold as sturgeon on ice but I def. will bet Deet in game 5; they have all the answers in regards to defense, TD cant make headway ... I couldnt even watch 4q, went to store for juice bars and almonds hehe

have a great day
gregg

 

[MrChristo]

if you believe that san antonio may have won games 3 or 4 if they had gotten calls, you have to also believe that detroit might have won games 1 and 2 if not for all the ticky tack fouls. there is a happy medium and hopefully the refs will let the players decide who is the best team over the next 3 games.

osc

Absolutely, 100%, perfectly CORRECT! :mj14: :clap:

Pistons always seem to catch a break.

Yeah, ****ing amazing how lucky they've been to have the best D in the last 2 years and how they play as the best team in the NBA.

Bloody hell, it's the Laker crowd all over again!! :mj07:

 

[maverick2112]

I'll say this...............after watching Boston come back from 0-3 last yr against the Yanks...........you will never hear me saying its over until the final horn is sounded.........

I couldnt believe how many posts saying this series is over after the spurs 2-0 start............I have come to believe its hard as hell to win on a good teams home court in the NBA........

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott if you think gm 1 and 2 were called fairly and games 3 and 4 were not then there is no hope for your bias opinion................

Where did I say games 1 and 2 were called fairly? I said games 1/2 were officiated differently than games 3/4. Spurs played better than Pistons for 7 quarters officiated one way and Pistons played better than Spurs for 7 quarters officiated other way. Unfortunately for Pistons, 2 of the next 3 are going to be officiated the way Spurs like it.

THE HOME TEAM IN THE NBA IS GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT........THERE IS NO ARGUING THIS POINT..........IN FACT AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER IN THE NBA PLAYOFFS THE ROAD TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE TO WIN A GAME DESPITE THE REFS. THATS JUST HOW IT IS.........IF YOU WANNA WIN A ROAD GAME YOU BETTER DOMINATE ENOUGH TO NOT LET IT BE DECIDED BY THE REFS OR YOU ARE SCREWED......

I agree and that is what I hate about the NBA. I wonder how this series would go and turn out if it was played on neutral court. Amazing how the refs are swayed by home crowd. At least I hope its the home crowd swaying the refs! But not calling a player for a foul who WHACKS someone in arm and not even touch the ball is not acceptable. I did not see those type of calls in SA but I have seen far more in the 2 games @Detroit. That is the basis of my argument. On the either way calls, sure give home team benefit but please don't let home team get away with blatant fouls. 1 blatant foul is 1 foul too many because all obvious fouls should be called especially when it is against one of the top players in the NBA! No excuses and that is my opinion. I have been extremely board watching these last 4 games and i have thousands riding on them. I wished the NBA cleaned up its act.

SA got just as much benefit in the first 2 gms as Det has these last 2.......if you remember it was Detroit that was in foul trouble constantly in SA.......

Not exactly. Detroit has been getting away with a lot more @Detroit vs SA getting away with @SA. Especially when they are blatant calls. You might find ticky tack $hit that wasn't called on SA but you won't find too many blatant calls. Game 1 in SA the Spurs were called for 5-6 fouls before Detroit was called for 1. Don't forget that!

I thought game 1 was officiated pretty fairly with maybe SA getting slight slant but they were home team. Games 2, 3, and 4 were all slanted to home team. It is not only about the fouls called. It is about fouls "not" called, fairness to both teams, and style.

Absolutely, 100%, perfectly CORRECT! :mj14: :clap:

Pistons always seem to catch a break.

Yeah, ****ing amazing how lucky they've been to have the best D in the last 2 years and how they play as the best team in the NBA.

Bloody hell, it's the Laker crowd all over again!! :mj07:

I said they were lucky and fortunate because they didn't beat a healthy team in last years playoffs. Every playoff opponent Pistons played and beat was not healthy and missing star player or top 3 scoring option. This year Pistons played and beat Indiana and Miami, 2 teams who had star players not play or play injured. Spurs are not 100% healthy but everyone is playing. So please stop the BS how great the Pistons are. They still have to beat a healthy team for me to be convinced. I wagered on them because of there luck and fortunate breaks! I might have lucked out again! I lucked out against Miami.

 

[MrChristo]

SA are lucky that they haven't had to face a team who plays a lick of D in the play-offs this year either??

Spurs won't dump three straight to anyone from the East, no matter who is hurt.

(No offence), but a typical attitude. The East play low-scoring, scrappy ball, so they must be crap! The top 5-6 teams in the East would play better defense than just about anyone in the West. (SA, Houston maybe?)

Were Detroit lucky to beat SA 110-101 @ home on March 20 aswell?
Lucky to get within 3 points @ SA, despite shooting 35%?
Lucky to beat LAL @ home last reg season?

I'm not saying they're great, but ffs, they are certainly due a hell of a lot more respect than anyone seems to be giving them!

(Maybe New England have been lucky for a while now too )

 

[Scott4USC]

SA are lucky that they haven't had to face a team who plays a lick of D in the play-offs this year either??

I dunno. Spurs had to play the hottest team in NBA 2h of year and hottest team entering playoffs. NUGGETS! Then Spurs beat a depleted Sonics squad who played excellent basketball games 3-6. Western Conference finals Spurs beat the #1 team in the NBA in terms of wins and didn't have home court advantage. (although I think that is a positive thing) Spurs won all 3 games on road in that series with Nash/Amare having flawless playoff games. No tandom played as well as them this year in playoffs. These guys wouldn't miss.

Were Detroit lucky to beat SA 110-101 @ home on March 20 aswell?)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duncan only played 2 min.

Lucky to get within 3 points @ SA, despite shooting 35%??)

No, but didn't they have to battle back from being down 18pts?

Lucky to beat LAL @ home last reg season???)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lakers 3rd best player and scorer Karl Malone was severly injured. That is like taking out Tony Parker for Spurs or R. Wallace for Pistons. On top of that, Lakers had HORRIBLE role players. Junk! All role players couldn't create there own shot so they were even easier to defend. If I remember correctly, Kobe wasn't 100% either. But could be wrong on that. I do know Shaq was overweight and extremely lazy on defense and boards.

I'm not saying they're great, but ffs, they are certainly due a hell of a lot more respect than anyone seems to be giving them!

I can't fully respect a team who gets the opportunity to take advantage of these circumstances. Think about it. This team is very fortunate. Yes they are good team and they can't control the hand they were dealt with. They get my respect for winning but they are not a great team because of that. I wish I could see them beat healthy opponents and I am not sure they beat Miami with Wade and Shaq injured. That was #1 reason I took Detroit to win it all because of Shaq and I still had to sweat bullets and have Wade injured.

(Maybe New England have been lucky for a while now too )

Only against Raiders in playoffs! Last year Pats were "unlucky" with injuries and overcame them. Give them MORE respect.



If Pistons blow out Spurs in game 5, I will be impressed.

 

[MrChristo]

You, my friend, are an idiot....

...and I venture to say that if Detroit blow SA out again, there'll be some reason why it means nothing to you....and that, in turn, will mean nothing to the rest of us who's vision isn't clouded by ex-Presidents.

Hey, all the best financially for sure!...I've got nothing riding on this series, and find sometimes it's good to just sit back with no 'worries' and just appreciate things for what they are.

 

[MrChristo]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lakers 3rd best player and scorer Karl Malone was severly injured. That is like taking out Tony Parker for Spurs or R. Wallace for Pistons.

Oh, and this is quite possibly the most rediculous statement I have ever seen. But anyway......

 

[Jalen45]

I couldnt believe how many posts saying this series is over after the spurs 2-0 start............I have come to believe its hard as hell to win on a good teams home court in the NBA........

i agree with both of those statements. you cant run and say its over just because a team wins 2 home games in a row. its typical the way the mind works. everyone assumes.


well assume this: pistons still play another in detroit, and if they win on sunday, call me RASHEED, but i am guaranteeing they win this series.

all you public all over the spurs after games one and two are shaking in your shit right now, arent you??????????? step up and play the game. SA looks like garbage, and i dont think its going to get better. the pistons defense (not offense) is going to win this series. when you only turn the ball over 4 times, you ARENT going to lose the game, even if you shoot 35%. thats a fact, and thats how detroit plays. what a series this has turned out to be.

 

[Jalen45]

Originally Posted by Scott4USC
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lakers 3rd best player and scorer Karl Malone was severly injured. That is like taking out Tony Parker for Spurs or R. Wallace for Pistons.

WOW!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? RASHEED WALLACE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF LAST YEARS MALONE?? YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY WATCH THESE GAMES, INSTEAD OF READING BOX SCORES PAL. THEN GO AND APOLOGIZE FOR THAT STATEMENT AND CORRECT IT. ALSO, MALONE DOESNT EVEN MATCH UP TO TONY PARKER EITHER!!!

 

[Mephisto]

I was sure wrong, that injury must have been much more than I'd thought, seemed Manu had no lift at all, didn't see much second half but saw him drive to basket where he'd usually power jam, he just threw up weak layups. He seemed very tentative throughout and lost some silly turnovers.

Honestly, I backed the Spurs last night and at times it was like watching the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters.

Game 4 was the one SA needed, it'll be hard to stop Detroit in game 5. Agree with PT that best to rest Manu and hope they can stem the tide on home court. Congrats to Detroit backers.

 

[Coug LJ]

I thought the Pistons had the edge last night and should again on Sunday, but I don't think the series will be over. It won't be easy for the Pistons to win in San Antonio. As much of a problem as it has been to play in Detroit for the Spurs, home cooking should be that much of a lift.

 

[ocelot]

I didn't even watch the last 2 games but from the scores it is pretty obvious that SA never showed up. Hard to blame a 30 point smackdown on refereeing. I DID see the 1st 2 games and ref'ing was lame. But so was Detroit's play.

Anyway, who were the refs last night? Were they the guys that Det always seems to win with?

 

[maverick2112]

Where did I say games 1 and 2 were called fairly? I said games 1/2 were officiated differently than games 3/4.

Scott.....I didnt hear you saying this after games 1 and 2.......only after the drubbing in gms 1 and 2

I wonder how this series would go and turn out if it was played on neutral court.

You better be glad this isnt on a neutral court.....otherwise Sa may be down 3-1......dont see the Spurs coming back from 17-4 deficit on the road........

I said they were lucky and fortunate because they didn't beat a healthy team in last years playoffs. Every playoff opponent Pistons played and beat was not healthy and missing star player or top 3 scoring option

You keep saying this baloney.......who was injured on Milwaukee, who was hurt on NJ?? Dont say Jason Kidd.....he played full minutes on all games...........Who was hurt on Indiana???
Even though Malone was injured, do you really think it would have made that much of a difference, I mean the guy was like 40 yrs old and the Pistons almost swept....maybe if he played the whole series the Lakers would have won a couple of games but no way they win 4.......Its about time you start giving these Pistons some respect.........even though Wade was hurt he still played in gm 7 and the Pistons still won......

 

[Scott4USC]

MrChristo

You immaturely call me an idiot but don't explain why? I expressed my opinions and explained why I feel that way. That is an example of someone being intelligent. You do not have to agree with my opinion, but calling me an idiot displays a bad reflection on your character. I am disappointed in you.

Oh, and this is quite possibly the most rediculous statement I have ever seen. But anyway......

Malone was the 3rd scoring option for Lakers and 3rd best player. I think 90% would agree to this. Certainly Lakers organization has made it clear. So I suppose that is a fact. I think Parker is the 3rd best player and scoring option for Spurs and R. Wallace is as well for Pistons. So if you take out the 3rd best player for Lakers, why not take out 3rd best player for either of those teams? Sure doesn't seem like a "ridiculous statement" to me.

Scott.....I didnt hear you saying this after games 1 and 2.......only after the drubbing in gms 1 and 2......

I said I felt game 1 was fairly officiated especially with Pistons not being called for a foul until half way through 1q and Spurs picking up 6 or so. It evened out at end with Spurs getting slightly more calls but no blatantly missed calls in game 1. Game 2 Spurs were slanted and I said so and I remember correctly I admitted that and pointed out "some" bad calls that went Detroit?s way as well. I don't see any bad calls going Spurs way in Detroit and Detroit is getting away with "blatant" fouls in Detroit. But what happens when they must come to SA? They will NOT be allowed to play that way and Spurs are almost unbeatable in SA. Detroit offense SUCKS if they can't create turnovers and Detroit cannot create turnovers without playing street ball. On top of that, Spurs play pretty good defense at home, wouldn't you say? Spurs shooting horribly in Detroit (props to Detroit) and turning the ball over at high rate (props to Detroit) but both of those stats will turn around when they play @SA. What do Pistons do? Remember, Spurs did hang with Pistons for 3q's playing bad vs Pistons playing very good in game 3.

You better be glad this isn?t on a neutral court.....otherwise Sa may be down 3-1......don?t see the Spurs coming back from 17-4 deficit on the road..............

I would like to see games played on neutral court if it means being officiated fairly for "both" teams.
Spurs have huge advantage with home court AND the way finals are played. Having both games 6 and 7 at home is unfair to Pistons and forcing Pistons to win 3 straight games against quality opponent is tough even at home. I just don't like the way NBA is runned and if it weren't for betting I prob. never watch it if Lakers were out.

You keep saying this baloney.......who was injured on Milwaukee, who was hurt on NJ?? Don?t say Jason Kidd.....he played full minutes on all games...........Who was hurt on Indiana???......

It is not baloney. I can't dig up data because my computer currently has java disabled but I will get back to you on the top 3 players playing injured or missing against Pistons in last years playoffs AND 3 teams Pistons played this year. Media never talks about it but Pistons have had a free ride!

Even though Malone was injured, do you really think it would have made that much of a difference, I mean the guy was like 40 yrs old and the Pistons almost swept....maybe if he played the whole series the Lakers would have won a couple of games but no way they win 4.......

For starters Lakers had no backup center, and no backup PF's. So if Lakers best PF and 3rd best player and 3rd best scorer can't play, it would be more devastating than Tony Parker not playing for Spurs and R. Wallace not playing for Pistons. That laker roster outside of Kobe, Shaq, and Malone was GARBAGE! Malone was still playing great as Laker. Defense and offensively. Maybe you think Brian Cook and Slava are outstanding centers and PF's? That is what Lakers had! It was no contest. Top that off with Shaq being overweight and lazy. Defensively Lakers had nobody and offensively Lakers had only shaq. shaq played well offensively but got tired at end of 3/5 games.

Its about time you start giving these Pistons some respect.........even though Wade was hurt he still played in gm 7 and the Pistons still won......

I respect them as NBA champions but I think they have had a free pass. I respected them enough to wager couple grand on them to win it all but that was mainly due to shaq not being healthy (pistons being fortunate). They are very good team with bunch of really good players. Just wish they could prove it to me beating healthy squads.

I thought Pistons would beat Heat with shaq not 100%. They looked BAD! Pistons tied 2-2 and Wade gets injured in game and Pistons lost. Now Pistons down 3-2 and Wade doesn't play. In game 7, Wade played extremely injured and only played 1 good half. What if he played 2 good halves? He was not very good in 1h which obviously helped Pistons. I also think Indiana would have beaten Pistons if Ron Artest was playing and Tinsely AND Oneal 100%. Not to mention R. Miller wouldn't be so tired from Boston series going 7 because he would not have had to carry team. If Ron Artest didn't get suspended, I was going to drop a big futures bet on Pacers. Now Pistons play Spurs in finals. Duncan is not 100% with 2 ankles, Ginobili is not 100% for games 3 and 4, and Devin Brown who was a solid contributor for Spurs and I think 4th scoring option is basically out of playoff rotation due to missing so many games. These are the facts! You can come up with your own conclusion but you know exactly how I feel!

WOW!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? RASHEED WALLACE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF LAST YEARS MALONE?? YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY WATCH THESE GAMES, INSTEAD OF READING BOX SCORES PAL. THEN GO AND APOLOGIZE FOR THAT STATEMENT AND CORRECT IT. ALSO, MALONE DOESNT EVEN MATCH UP TO TONY PARKER EITHER!!!

Read my reply to maverick if you want an answer. I never said R. Wallace is equal to Malone. I said take out 3rd best player for Lakers and take out 3rd best player for Spurs/Pistons. That is a fair comparison.