Iraq Only 87 Billion

[hellah10]

rebuilding a society??!?!??

riiiiight...if thats the case...why not build the continent of Africa!!! Why mess with a country! ohhhhh thats right, Africa dont have the resources that Iraq offers...hmmm

the people over there are being treated like shit dude. I mean complete and total garbage. We are taking their god givin will to even fawking speak! I had to tell these people time and time again to shut up just because my commander wanted some shut eye....are you fawking kidding me!!! dude, the hell with this policy?!??!?!?

This wasnt a war...

It was an invansion to save the US Dollar - because no matter what resources you have...your currency is what makes your country strong.

Canadians...whats the exchange rate these days?!?! I bet the worsy in decades...

Iam more worried about walking in Detroit at 3am then some bogus terroist threat

everytime we get these "threats" it costs money...MY money...YOUR money...

and who's to say these threats are even real!?!?! We dont know that...you dont know that...

iam sorry to say this, but the opionions here by american civilians just dont matter becuase they really dont know whats going on there...Fox - CNN - MSNBC is your source

there are BIGGER problems in this world then Saddam.

what would I do to eliminate the threat??? Well sure as hell wouldnt invade countries....how about telling the CIA to do their job..or the NSA

 

[Rudy]

OK, so you don't believe the threat is real. Did the WTC Towers fall by themselves? Did the USS Cole strike an iceberg? Did the marine barracks in Beirut blow up because of a faulty furnace?

Radical Islam is biggest macro threat to the world we'll see in our lifetime and probably our children's lifetime and you wonder whether it's real? Get serious.

 

[hellah10]

lmao - so your telling me every single phone call made is a threat now?? ok man, paranoidddddd

i suggest watching bowling for columbine...

I hope gas goes to 4 dollars a gallon :lol:

by the way, the barracks in beruit where blown up becauseeeeeee, oh yeaaa prolly cuz the Lebanese didnt want the US troops there...but the US is the worlds baby-sitter right? Well, the US is gonna baby-sit the wrong area one day, and boom.

 

[Rudy]

Islamic Jihad claimed credit for the Beirut bombing. They are a Palestinian terrorist organization, funded by Iran.

Who said anything about phone calls? Don't understand.

You've seen & liked Bowling for Columbine? That explains a lot. Case closed.

 

[Blitz]

i suggest watching bowling for columbine...

Don't believe everything you see, that is supposed to be a "Documetary", but I have heard how he lied and manipulated the "Facts" in that movie...

 

[hellah10]

shows how openin minded you are

i wasted 6 months in my life to "prevent" terrorism lmao...

iam not gonna sit here and argue with someone OVER the internet...when Ive been there and dont that

your so worried about the world, and terrorism -- as if you can do something about it

but then again, iam not the only one who thinks this way....i knoe thousands and thousands of troops over there feel the same way - especially in camp cropper

 

[hellah10]

before I leave...I just wanna say 1 thing..

Ive had better arguments over this subject at MJs. If your gonna try to dog on me at least get a good partner to double up with (dr. freeze) - hell at least he makes it interesting and makes me think compared to your weak case and living in fear mentality

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82773&highlight=hellah10

enjoy

 

[Rudy]

Not living in fear; I just want to get rid of those fvckers before they're strong enough to really screw with us. I hear the whining, but I don't hear any better solutions than what we're doing. Not a complex argument, just essential.

 

[djv]

Rudy I already said make it the 51 state if your so dam worried about Iraq. Were pissing more money away there then we give many of our states. You want answers. Well lets start with why we never finished the first hunt for the real 9/11 killers. We were not done in Afghanistan. We still are not. We still dont have Bin. He just keeps planning more little surprises. Iraq sure was no hot spot. We were lied to about it but now we know theres nothing there to worry about. Even our leader says there coming to Iraq from Syria and Iran to cause trouble. I thought the trouble was Iraq. just more Bs we were given. Were trying to make Iraq a free Democratic country. You kidding me. They have not wanted that for over 1000 years. So now we know whats best for them. Were getting fed BS. So go back finised what we started. And before we screw another place up by invading. Get Rummy and Cheney the hell out of the government. Alot of this mess is all on there laps.

 

[Snake Plissken]

riiiiight...if thats the case...why not build the continent of Africa!!! Why mess with a country! ohhhhh thats right, Africa dont have the resources that Iraq offers...hmmm

maybe I am wrong but I don't recall any African nations trying to make or buy nuclear weapons to blow up Kuwait & Israel or possibly slip to some other terrorist organization.

You are right Omar we here only get are information from the news channel and I know there is alot to this war that we don't know.

But to me there are groups and people in this world that would love nothing more than to see the destruction of the United States and everyone knows that Saddam Hussain was one of them.

Bottom line the way I see it, it is us verus them and I'm rooting for the home team. I dont want to see anymore terrorism here at home.

 

[StevieD]

Everyone is rooting for the home team Snake. Just think we wasted our time, money, and men in Iraq. To answer Rudy's question I would of went after the countries that posed the biggest threats first. And I would of tried to do it with the world on my side, not against me because I was going after the wrong country. And I have to second what DJV said the sooner that Cheney and his buddy Rumsfeld get out of office the better!

 

[Snake Plissken]

Was it a waste of time, money & men in Iraq if we prevented Saddam Hussein from getting Nuclear Bomb.

Could you imagine the devastation of Nuclear Bomb going off lets say for arguments sake Atlanta and Millions killed.

We will never know (I hope) of that situation from Saddam but taking this guy down before instead of after makes sense.

 

[djv]

Rudy/Snake Believe We were BS'd they might get a bomb. There is no proof of any bomb Iraq had or was even within 1 or 2 year of haveing. Threats to this country. Iran way ahead of Iraq. N Korea ahead of both. Hell we know NKorea sells arms around the world. Including missles We have no proof Iraq sold anything to anyone. Saudi is where the money came from to bank roll 9/11. Hello Bush there not our friends. They act like it but there snakes. Afgan like said above we never finished there.
So yes we invade Iraq and made a big mess for nothing. Now everyone says we set there people free. Someone forgot half of them were happy. And setting people free is way down the list of safty issues for us in the USA. Iraq is a scew up with no one willing to say so. They ran out of excuses of why were even there. And now if they dont fix it we created the biggest terroest camp ever. Way to go Rummhead and Cheney. You black gold hustlers.

 

[Rudy]

djv: I can't understand why you can't bring yourself to believe that Saddam was a genuine danger to us. There's plenty of supporting evidence over the years that he was involved with a nuclear program and other weapons of mass destruction, to say nothing of trying to assassinate a President. Seems like this blind partisan hatred of Bush et al drives this nonsensical thinking that he wasn't a threat. Such a nonsequitor. He was the biggest threat because he had money and had shown a willingness to use unthinkable weapons.

I agree that N Korea and Iran are threats as well, and their day is coming. If you recall, they are both on the Axis of Evil list. Regardless, your argument that we should have gone after one of those first is such a straw man because the same catterwalling would have been emanating from the leftist camp had we gone after one of the others first, and the risk to us would have been higher. By doing what we did, we've put all these other clowns on notice and they ARE noticing that we're serious this time. We're not done yet. If we're lucky, both governments will tip on their own, and it looks like Iran is moving our direction.

Also, such nonsense to say the people of a country don't want to be free. That has been one of the primal urges of people since the beginning. You're fooling yourself if you think that's not so. The only people in Iraq that didn't want freedom are the oppressors. If you say otherwise, please show a real example. Thsi was a pretty free society not too long ago, before the thugs took control.

We do have a responsibility to promote freedom in the world, but more important we have to defend our freedom. I outlined the threat earlier in this thread, so no need to be redundant. We are not going to let another Hitler emerge because we sat back while the Europeans fiddled. The old Euros had their chance and they demurred. The emerging Euros joined us, especially those that had known tyranny. So screw the Euroweenies; let them pound sand.

Like it or not, the vast majority of the American people have the intuitive sense of the threat after the 9/11 wake-up call and side with the President in this effort. You can pick at the edges, but the macro point remains: The threat must be exterminated. Not just slapped around a little, but exterminated. Fortunately, the right management is in place to make it happen over the next 5 years at least.

 

[Chanman]

Rudy, I tend to agree w/your views. I am disappointed in the way Bush is spreading ourselves thin, but I think we had to respond to the attack on 9/11. Gen. Tommy Franks summed it up along the same lines and believes we had to go into Iraq. Classic case of 'Damned if you Do, Damned if you Don't'. And I think N. Korea also got a reality check. I have to believe our Govt knows more of International Affairs than most of us second guessing them.
Heck in another thread an opinion was stated that the terrorists were not cowards. Just because you don't care about your own life much less others does not make you a warrior or a brave martyr to my way of thinking. (Takes a real man to kill a stewardess w/boxcutters.) Just wanted to say 'Hang in there'.

P.S.- then again the following was penned by George Orwell: "A world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet."

And glad to hear all sides on forums such as these.

 

[dr. freeze]

Was Hussein giving $$ to the families of the 9-11 terrorists?

Would we rather fight over there with terrorists or wait til they come here?

There are many sound reasons why we should be over there.

Personally, I think we need to close the our own borders in a hurry, but I also think that sitting right there in Iraq in the middle of Saudi, Jordan, the West Bank, Iran, Pakistan, etc. etc. and having the terrorists play our game is better than sitting here at home waiting for these 12th century loving cave dweller thugs to take down another skyscraper or do things much much more catastrophic like they are threatening. Which has costed 100 Billion many times over.

Hey he was a pain in our ass, would not listen to us, had been a threat to take over the entire Middle East, we did not do the job right the first time, was costing us credibility, this action opened some ears in Saudi, Iran, and other countries, we have terrorists who hate the US pouring over the borders to confront our troops head on (we only need to spend more $$ to properly supply them and also should get more troops over there). And the list goes on and on why we should be over there. Africa is not a threat to us, Cuba is not a threat to us or the world's oil supply. Fascists Islamic Terrorists are currently our threat. And we want them to bring it on right now in Iraq face to face instead of killing thousands of civilians. If anyone has a better idea on how to address the enemy, let him speak instead of constantly criticizing.

As for an exit plan -- VICTORY is our plan. As far as history goes, why aren't all the liberals blaming FDR on why we still have troops stationed in Germany????

 

[djv]

I can answer why there are troops in Germany. It's called Nato. But you are correct there not needed there. However Germany has the money those folks spend figured in there economy. Were talking in the billions. It's all part of a USA/Germany Deal that has gone on since WW II.
Doc Iraq is such a mess I did side with you. You were right should have just nuked the dam place. We been all done with it. But we cant forget the black gold that is there. So now we have to stay and clean up our mess or it will be a real terroist camp. Not just a make belive one. You read some of Hellah 10 suff above. You will see how happy they are not about us being there.

 

[dr. freeze]

of course no one wants to be there....no one wants to be in a war....but we don't have a whole lot of options.......better to fight on a different front than to sit on our asses and let Islamic Fascism take over our country...can either try to take them out now while they are small, or let the diseases spread and you will have 40 nasty regimes in the middle east instead of 4-5

need to tighten up borders and take the fight to them

no matter what the expense, we must win the war

if president needs 1 trillion, i say give it to him....