Is anyone else getting sick of Ginobli

[DIRTY Diapers]

Jordan wouldn't be much more than Sidney Moncrief.

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You got to be kidding me... That is why everyone in Jordans era say he is the best player they have ever faced.

 

[Sun Tzu]

It was hyperbole obviously. My point simply was it is a helluva lot easier to be great when you can take 4 steps, palm, never get called for fouls, and your opponent gets whistled for breathing in your neighborhood.

i would add, the Bulls won 58 games the next year without him and were one blown call from being back in the Finals. That tells us something.

He was great, no doubt. But he did it against a watered down league with a great deal of favortism.

 

[Chain Saw]

I can't remember the complete funny line a sportswriter said about who I consider the consumate flopper Vladi D. The guy said something about when they turn the airconditioning on in the building, Vladi falls down,

 

[danmurphy jr]

Funny-funny-funny

 

[AU2001]

"That's a dumb question. Everyone knows who the greatest basketball player of all-time is, Michael Jordan. The only question you should ever ask is who the second greatest player of all-time is."

-Charles Barkley, when asked who he thought the greatest player of all-time was

 

[fenceman]

It was hyperbole obviously. My point simply was it is a helluva lot easier to be great when you can take 4 steps, palm, never get called for fouls, and your opponent gets whistled for breathing in your neighborhood.

i would add, the Bulls won 58 games the next year without him and were one blown call from being back in the Finals. That tells us something.

He was great, no doubt. But he did it against a watered down league with a great deal of favortism.

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[Scott4USC]

and scott, I think GINO gets fouled quite a bit so im not sure what UR talking about, and he attax the basket like Norm at Cheers gluttoned his beer and nuts

I said I do not like his obvious flops or over reactions. I said often he will whip his body around and fall to floor when he was never even touched. I replay plays all the time off Tivo. He does all to often. Yes he gets hit hard a lot and that is fine, call the foul. But he also exaggerates a lot or initiates the contact but not as obvious as Amare Staudimire.

I also like "GINO" and he is one of my favorite players to watch. I will continue to give you credit for telling me he will be a star in NBA before he even played his first game. Nice call!

Scott watched a different game than I did, did have the suns so maybe my judgement was skewed. Tim Duncan gets alot of calls, ginobli is out of control 90% of the game, and all the spurs players reach and slap at balls without somehow ever getting anything but all ball. There were three or four times Stoudamire got raked across his forearms and it didn't get called. The Spurs get alot of thoe calls just like the Pistons because of there reputation for playing D.

I did not see too many fouls by Spurs that were not called compared to Suns. How about everytime Muhammad takes ball to basket? REPLAY every time he takes it to basket and at least 50% of time he is fouled. He got ZERO calls. Or how about Nash wrapping his arms around Duncan 3 times in game with officials standing RIGHT there. Or how about Amare driving his shoulder into defender everytime he attacks basket? YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND THAT IS NOT BASKETBALL! Running backs do that, not basketball players. Amare attacking with his shoulders and his quickness/size allows for his dunks/layups. But that is not legal and is OBVIOUS to see. But why is it allowed? You don't need to slow motion it or tivo it to see it.

Stoud has been pampered by refs throughout the playoffs. He constantly pushes off under the glass on both sides of the court. I was pleased to see him get called for a 'T' for shoving Horry last night.

Sure, the Duncans and Shaqs of the league are pampered by refs. These MVP types have earned it. What has Stoud done to "earn" the respect of the refs??? Hell, this is only his 1st playoff appearance.

JMO:weed:

Yep!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I have a feeling Horry set up Amare and was waiting for 4th quarter crucial moment to do it. If Horry took charge earlier in game, Amare might have stopped or be cautios about doing it late in 4th. But my question is you don't need to take a charge, the refs should call that a foul anyways because you are not allowed to attack with your shoulder.

 

[Scott4USC]

A real surprise - Scott whining about calls that didnt favor his bet and completely hijacking a thread to be as off topic as possible. I dont recall Mr Objectivity discussing the phantom whistle that helped USC against UCLA or the horseshit intereference call in the VTech game. I am of course certain that it has nothing to do with those bad calls helping him.

I call it as I see it. I have TIVO and usually watch the playoff games 1 hour delay to avoid commercials. I often rewind throughout the game and Suns got majority of the calls. But as many said, that is the way the NBA works. Home teams generally benefit greatly from officials but watching the game closely there were way too many bogus calls against Spurs. And there were some bad calls against Suns but not near as many.

I generalized this thread about things you are sick and tired of. I agreed with gjn23 about Ginoble and added my comments on other things I am sick and tired of. So it was not really off topic. Anybody could simply ignore what I posted if they thought it was so off topic. Maybe you prefer to have 10 separate posts stating what posters are "specifically" sick and tired of. What is your problem with putting it in one thread?

At least we agree the Refs "should" call game same way for everyone. It sickens me that Barry (white dude) took ball to hole maybe 10 times in Sonics/Suns series combined and was not fouled once. That was completely bogus and he was fouled at least 3-4 times out of the 10 times he attacked basket. Barry gets no respect which is wrong.

Funny how you said my post was off topic but then you comment on 2 college football games in an NBA forum relating to officiating. Don't make this thread about SCOTT4USC. My complaints are about multiple blown calls, repeatedly. Not one specific call. BTW, USC did not PI the V-Tech DB. If you recorded game and watched in slow motion, the V-Tech WR did in fact touch the USC DB. That is a FACT! #1 that is not allowed and the USC DB's momentum was going away from WR so it is easily to assume he was pushed since the V-Tech WR did in fact have his hands on the USC DB. Another thing, this is only an observation from the ESPN Camera shot. The Ref who called the PI against the V-Tech WR was getting his viewpoint from the sidelines. The ESPN camera shot was coming from the opposite sidelines AND did not show what the ref saw from "his" viewpoint. So your argument about that being a blown call is BOGUS! You can't comment on it because ESPN did not show the same viewpoint as ref and the V-Tech WR did in fact have his hands on the USC DB. Those are 2 facts!

As for the USC/UCLA game. Maybe it was a fumble but it def. would not have decided the game. If you are going to comment on that play, why not comment on the "blatant" hold when UCLA ran the kickoff back for a TD??? Ref was standing right there with same viewpoint as ABC camera and did not call holding. That was why UCLA got a kickoff return. But you fail to comment on that? And USC played conservative at end with the lead. If Bush fumbled, USC would have kept there offense attacking.

 

[pt1gard]

SCOTT 2 points: it's G-I-N-O-B-I-L-I ... he's on way to possibly winning you 10K or whatever, give the man some respect and spell his name right just once.

on another matter, remember when you used to go on and on that Robert Horry was horrible and overrated and never helped the Lakers, and other than his terrible shooting slump in the 2003 playoffs, I used to argue that you were completely mistaken, that he was a winner thru and thru?

im sure you will have a different memory of this now, but was curious to hear how much worse he has become 2 years later since the days you insisted he was a terrible player for years with Lakers .... I'm fooled into believing he's the same lousy player who is very repsonsible for winning game 6 vs. soups and game 2 vs. suns on identical treys from same spot and same time in game ...

bottom line, this guy has been one of most clutch performers I have ever seen in playoffs, going back to drilling treys for Hakeem's 2 rings and many big games with your Lakers, and he's still firing daggers today (not to mention defense, tipping big bbds. out, blocking key shots, and so and so on) ...

anyhow, I doubt you hate him anymore

take care
gregg

 

[Hoops]

Very good player, on his way to becoming one of the Top 15 players or so in the league (if he isn't already). Has all the tools, and is he was American, he would obviously be much more of a household name.

And give me a break about Jordan. Clearly the best all-around basketball player ever. Every great player got the benefit of calls..that doesn't diminish how good they were. Plus, the league was certainly not 'watered down' during his era.

 

[Scott4USC]

SCOTT 2 points: it's G-I-N-O-B-I-L-I ... he's on way to possibly winning you 10K or whatever, give the man some respect and spell his name right just once.

:mj07:

I think the big lettering and orange color will get me to spell his name correctly. I am not good with spelling players names but I will put effort into spelling his name correctly, especially after making 2 huge shots late in 4th!

on another matter, remember when you used to go on and on that Robert Horry was horrible and overrated and never helped the Lakers, and other than his terrible shooting slump in the 2003 playoffs, I used to argue that you were completely mistaken, that he was a winner thru and thru?

im sure you will have a different memory of this now, but was curious to hear how much worse he has become 2 years later since the days you insisted he was a terrible player for years with Lakers ....

I am not a big Horry fan. He got way too much credit for making big shots. Kobe would drive and kick it to him with wide open trey every time. As far as I remember, Horry never made big shot with man in his face in a Laker uniform. So I expect a paid athlete to make wide open shots.

But when Horry was with Lakers, he never produced all game offensively. One playoffs I think he missed 30+ 3pt shots in a row and 95% of those 3pt shots were WIDE OPEN! I think it was his last playoff run with Lakers. Defensively he did not play well guarding power forwards but he was undersized so I give him slack for that.

All in all, he was not a very good player for Lakers if you factor in his play ALL 4 QUARTERS!

I'm fooled into believing he's the same lousy player who is very repsonsible for winning game 6 vs. soups and game 2 vs. suns on identical treys from same spot and same time in game ...

bottom line, this guy has been one of most clutch performers I have ever seen in playoffs, going back to drilling treys for Hakeem's 2 rings and many big games with your Lakers, and he's still firing daggers today (not to mention defense, tipping big bbds. out, blocking key shots, and so and so on) ...

anyhow, I doubt you hate him anymore

Horry is playing SUPERB right now with the Spurs. I do love him now. He is playing well in 1q, 2q, 3q, and 4q. I also am seeing him make 3pt shots with a defender somewhat in his face. Thats big! Maybe Horry looks.playing better defensively because he has big men alongside him who are not LAZY! (shaq)

Horry is playing fantastic right now and hope he keeps it up. But he did NOT play this way with the Lakers, especially in his last playoff run. He was horrible.

When he was with Lakers, Horry ALWAYS got wide open shots because teams constantly would double up Shaq and Kobe. All Laker role players got wide open shots and all laker role players would miss wide open shots on consistent basis. Always blew my mind and I NEVER will understand why they would miss open shots. Completely mind boggling.

Maybe it is hard playing for Lakers like it is hard playing for Yankees.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Very good player, on his way to becoming one of the Top 15 players or so in the league (if he isn't already). Has all the tools, and is he was American, he would obviously be much more of a household name.

And give me a break about Jordan. Clearly the best all-around basketball player ever. Every great player got the benefit of calls..that doesn't diminish how good they were. Plus, the league was certainly not 'watered down' during his era.

The league wasnt watered down? Two expansions, and any team with two solid players could dominate wasnt watered down? Those Bulls teams would havee been killed by the Sixers, Lakers or Celts of the 80s.

 

[vinnie]

If the rules mattered Michael Jordan wouldnt be much more than Sidney Moncrief

This is by far one of if not the dumbest thing I have heard anyone say my entire life. :mj07:

GIVE ME A FVCKING BREAK