Is anyone going to mention how average the SEC looks?

[joefrog91]

I'm sorry but this is about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... When a conference wins a NC 5 out of the last 7 years it's pretty hard to argue against that... What other conference is known for big fast defenses?

That's the rub with me. The SEC has won 5 out of the last 7 BCS Championships because they are set up to win based on the flawed BCS system. The SEC is just like every other conference with some really good teams, avg teams and bottom feeders.

BUT, because the SEC gets a lot of pre-season love in the polls, the conference gets the benefit of the doubt on all parts of the BCS formula. A SEC team will have played several top 25 teams and that helps them in the BCS poll. Most SEC teams play a weak non-conf schedule and will be 4-0 heading into conference play.

SEC teams don't usually (until this year) drop in the polls for bad performances. That's because once again they get the benefit of the mythical superiority of all teams in the conference. Alabama should have dropped in the polls when they needed a blocked FG to beat a horrible Tenn team. TCU dropped in the polls when they barely beat Air Force, even though it was in below zero weather.

Alabama and Florida are awesome teams. They probably should have been playing for all of those NCs. However, the SEC gets a lot of help that other conferences don't get in the polls. If S Car, Tenn, Arky, Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, or Kentucky were in any other conference, none of them would ever be ranked in a pre-season poll.

Okay, my rant is over.

 

[Skipper]

That's the rub with me. The SEC has won 5 out of the last 7 BCS Championships because they are set up to win based on the flawed BCS system. The SEC is just like every other conference with some really good teams, avg teams and bottom feeders.

BUT, because the SEC gets a lot of pre-season love in the polls, the conference gets the benefit of the doubt on all parts of the BCS formula. A SEC team will have played several top 25 teams and that helps them in the BCS poll. Most SEC teams play a weak non-conf schedule and will be 4-0 heading into conference play.

SEC teams don't usually (until this year) drop in the polls for bad performances. That's because once again they get the benefit of the mythical superiority of all teams in the conference. Alabama should have dropped in the polls when they needed a blocked FG to beat a horrible Tenn team. TCU dropped in the polls when they barely beat Air Force, even though it was in below zero weather.

Alabama and Florida are awesome teams. They probably should have been playing for all of those NCs. However, the SEC gets a lot of help that other conferences don't get in the polls. If S Car, Tenn, Arky, Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, or Kentucky were in any other conference, none of them would ever be ranked in a pre-season poll.

Okay, my rant is over.

I have no problem with everyone, including me, saying the SEC is down this year. Having said that, you are incorrect when you say that "most" of the SEC plays a weak non-conference schedule. EVERY team in a major conference plays a cupcake or two. With the exception of Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Miss. St., all of the rest of the SEC will play another school from a BCS conference. Furthermore - Ole Miss-Fresno and Miss. St. - Houston are tough games.

Bama - Penn St.
Auburn - Clemson
Arkansas - Texas A&M
LSU - West Virginia and North Carolina (not LSU's fault that UNC wasn't at full strength.)
Florida - So. Florida and FSU
UGA - Ga Tech and Colorado
South Carolina - Clemson as well as Southern Miss and Troy
Tennessee - Oregon
Vandy - Northwestern, UConn, and Wake

Also, these schedules are made so far in advance, you have no idea how good each team will be from year to year. By my count, that is 9 of 12 that play a quality non conference game. I know Tennessee is scheduled to play a home and home with Oklahoma and UConn in the same years, Nebraska, and Ohio St.

Like I said earlier, the SEC is down this year, but it will not be for long. Kentucky is much better than they have been in the past. Miss. St. will improve every year as long as they can keep Mullen, and Tennessee will be back.

Every conference has good and bad years, but the non-conference thing is not valid. Also, the FACT that the SEC has won 5 of the last 7 with three different teams is something that no other conference will approach.

BTW - how exciting would an Oregon-Bama matchup be? I am looking at Oregon's schedule and they play @USC, but Monte Kiffin sure as hell won't be able to stop that offense.

Listen, nothing would make me happier if TCU and/or Boise made the BCS title game. I think that is going to have to happen in order for any sort of a playoff system to be considered. What the BCS did last year by making them play each other was complete bull shit.

Good luck to your Frogs this year. I really like Gary Patterson and what he has been able to do there. I wish the Big 12 would just bring in both TCU and Boise, then most all of the problems would be solved.

:toast:

 

[joefrog91]

I have no problem with everyone, including me, saying the SEC is down this year. Having said that, you are incorrect when you say that "most" of the SEC plays a weak non-conference schedule. EVERY team in a major conference plays a cupcake or two. With the exception of Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Miss. St., all of the rest of the SEC will play another school from a BCS conference. Furthermore - Ole Miss-Fresno and Miss. St. - Houston are tough games.

Bama - Penn St.
Auburn - Clemson
Arkansas - Texas A&M
LSU - West Virginia and North Carolina (not LSU's fault that UNC wasn't at full strength.)
Florida - So. Florida and FSU
UGA - Ga Tech and Colorado
South Carolina - Clemson as well as Southern Miss and Troy
Tennessee - Oregon
Vandy - Northwestern, UConn, and Wake

Also, these schedules are made so far in advance, you have no idea how good each team will be from year to year. By my count, that is 9 of 12 that play a quality non conference game. I know Tennessee is scheduled to play a home and home with Oklahoma and UConn in the same years, Nebraska, and Ohio St.

Like I said earlier, the SEC is down this year, but it will not be for long. Kentucky is much better than they have been in the past. Miss. St. will improve every year as long as they can keep Mullen, and Tennessee will be back.

Every conference has good and bad years, but the non-conference thing is not valid. Also, the FACT that the SEC has won 5 of the last 7 with three different teams is something that no other conference will approach.

BTW - how exciting would an Oregon-Bama matchup be? I am looking at Oregon's schedule and they play @USC, but Monte Kiffin sure as hell won't be able to stop that offense.

Listen, nothing would make me happier if TCU and/or Boise made the BCS title game. I think that is going to have to happen in order for any sort of a playoff system to be considered. What the BCS did last year by making them play each other was complete bull shit.

Good luck to your Frogs this year. I really like Gary Patterson and what he has been able to do there. I wish the Big 12 would just bring in both TCU and Boise, then most all of the problems would be solved.

:toast:

You took the bait. I'm glad you see it that way. One of my main arguments is that schedules are made way in advance and there's no way to guess who will be good and who won't. However, there are so many BCS apologists that act like TCU, Utah, Boise St can just pick up the phone and play 4 top 25 teams in non-conference every year. And the teams you list there are all good examples of quality opponents in my book. But once again, TCU would get killed in the press for scheduling some of those same teams. There have already been haters complaining TCU picked an average Oregon St team and a perennial loser Baylor team to pad the schedule.

Until some conference nuts up and invites TCU, this will always be a no-win situation.

 

[UGA12]

That's the rub with me. The SEC has won 5 out of the last 7 BCS Championships because they are set up to win based on the flawed BCS system. The SEC is just like every other conference with some really good teams, avg teams and bottom feeders.

BUT, because the SEC gets a lot of pre-season love in the polls, the conference gets the benefit of the doubt on all parts of the BCS formula. A SEC team will have played several top 25 teams and that helps them in the BCS poll. Most SEC teams play a weak non-conf schedule and will be 4-0 heading into conference play.

SEC teams don't usually (until this year) drop in the polls for bad performances. That's because once again they get the benefit of the mythical superiority of all teams in the conference. Alabama should have dropped in the polls when they needed a blocked FG to beat a horrible Tenn team. TCU dropped in the polls when they barely beat Air Force, even though it was in below zero weather.

Alabama and Florida are awesome teams. They probably should have been playing for all of those NCs. However, the SEC gets a lot of help that other conferences don't get in the polls. If S Car, Tenn, Arky, Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, or Kentucky were in any other conference, none of them would ever be ranked in a pre-season poll.

Okay, my rant is over.

I can see why you dislike the BCS and I agree it sucks, but the simple fact is your bias opinions of the SEC dont hold water. When all else fails lets look at facts. Feel free to explain this away as well.

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/conference-bowl-rankings-past-decade/

last one:

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[joefrog91]

I can see why you dislike the BCS and I agree it sucks, but the simple fact is your bias opinions of the SEC dont hold water. When all else fails lets look at facts. Feel free to explain this away as well.

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/conference-bowl-rankings-past-decade/

I don't have a bias against any specific conference. In my opinion, every conference has good teams and bad teams. You post a thread that talks about bowl records and that's great. However, I've been told time and again that AQ schools don't "get up" for bowl games. That's why Utah was able to beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

I would love the MWC to have some bowl tie-ins that allowed them to play some ranked AQ schools instead of playing the 8th ranked Big XII school, 6th ranked Pac-10 school, WAC or CUSA schools.

 

[UGA12]

I have no doubt that year in and year out that TCU and utah would fair well in a major conference, but again this post is about conferences. All you have to do is look at the link I posted and see that not only does the sec send more teams they also win more which shouldnt happen if they dont belong there as your argument suggest. I bet we can both agree on a playoff though!

 

[joefrog91]

I have no doubt that year in and year out that TCU and utah would fair well in a major conference, but again this post is about conferences. All you have to do is look at the link I posted and see that not only does the sec send more teams they also win more which shouldnt happen if they dont belong there as your argument suggest. I bet we can both agree on a playoff though!

I never suggested they didn't belong there. I said the system is set up to put a SEC team in the NC most years. Auburn being the one anomaly.

And with 8 bowl tie-ins plus the usual 2 spots in BSC bowls, I would hope the SEC sends more teams to bowl games than any other conference. Not every conference has the opportunity to send almost every team to a bowl game.

You are right though. A playoff is the only way to solve any of this.

 

[gjn23]

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moral of the story.....the sec is good, but not as "dominating" as their fan base and media thump their chests about

 

[Betone]

Arizona vs Iowa.........line has opened at Iowa -1? what are your thoughts on the game?

 

[gjn23]

Arizona vs Iowa.........line has opened at Iowa -1? what are your thoughts on the game?

lines about right....figued it would be -2 either way....and might still end up that way

think arizona wins.....hope it's 100 at kickoff at 7:30 for the folks from iowa

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[Betone]

Was thinking the same as it is time that Iowa goes down.

 

[ageecee]

Which conference is the most dominant then?

definetely not the ACC they got beat up yesterday.

 

[LA Burns]

while the argument that the SEC is not "as dominant as SEC followers think" may be valid, it would be ludicrous to suggest that any other conference could hold the SEC's jock strap over at least the past decade

so agreed that maybe the SEC is not as "dominant" as some think, and may be down this year, but I'm sure that all in this thread would agree that on a year in and year out basis the SEC is the best conference bar none - maybe not way better than all others, but better nonetheless:director:

 

[gjn23]

while the argument that the SEC is not "as dominant as SEC followers think" may be valid, it would be ludicrous to suggest that any other conference could hold the SEC's jock strap over at least the past decade

so agreed that maybe the SEC is not as "dominant" as some think, and may be down this year, but I'm sure that all in this thread would agree that on a year in and year out basis the SEC is the best conference bar none - maybe not way better than all others, but better nonetheless:director:

the best

year in and year out....every year....for the last decade???

no

overall the best over the last 10 years......probably....but the gap isnt that large between them and the pac 10/big12/big 10

 

[LA Burns]

as long as you understand SEC is best, then we're ok

and you can leave the word "probably" out of your determination


just wish all of the SEC haters would give this shit up - really, a thread dedicated to saying that you're surprised no one else started a thread saying how the SEC is down this year????


as the guys on espn might say, "come on, man!"

once another conference steps up and takes the belt, I will gladly admit such

 

[LA Burns]

and gjn, since the SEC is down,which conference would you suggest is the best this year?

 

[gjn23]

and gjn, since the SEC is down,which conference would you suggest is the best this year?

none....like most years....to me they're all about the same...1 or 2 high end teams...2-3 bottom end teams and a bunch in the middle......in general the acc and big east are at the bottom of the 6 bcs conf with the other 4 fairly close (sec-big-10/12-pac10)

one cant say a conf is dominant becasue they play each other and beat each other IN conf....which is what the sec usually does.

in the end it's who has the most impressive ooc wins??? that's still to be determined the next few weeks and then into bowl season.

 

[Skipper]

as long as you understand SEC is best, then we're ok

and you can leave the word "probably" out of your determination


just wish all of the SEC haters would give this shit up - really, a thread dedicated to saying that you're surprised no one else started a thread saying how the SEC is down this year????


as the guys on espn might say, "come on, man!"

once another conference steps up and takes the belt, I will gladly admit such

:0008 :00011

 

[LA Burns]

"one cant say a conf is dominant becasue they play each other and beat each other IN conf....which is what the sec usually does."


gjn, 2 points:

1 - the SEC does not play other SEC schools in the national championship every year when they win it

2 - take a look at the following schedule and then please find one in any other conference that you find to be more difficult this year


Sat, Sep 4 at (18) North Carolina W 30-24 --
Sat, Sep 11 at Vanderbilt W 27-3 --
Sat, Sep 18 Mississippi State 7:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 25 (23) West Virginia 8:00 pm --
Sat, Oct 2 Tennessee 8:00 pm --
Sat, Oct 9 at (8) Florida TBA --
Sat, Oct 16 McNeese State 8:00 pm --
Sat, Oct 23 at (21) Auburn TBA --
Sat, Nov 6 (1) Alabama 8:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 13 Louisiana-Monroe 8:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 20 Mississippi 8:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 27 at (14) Arkansas TBA --


-- doesn't look easy to me - and just lucky that this particular team draws Tenn and Vandy out of the SEC East instead of UGA and SC:shrug:

 

[redsfann]

think arizona wins.....hope it's 100 at kickoff at 7:30 for the folks from iowa

:00hour

100 in the dry air of the desert is like a normal 80 degree day in the summer here in Iowa. The temperature won't bother the Hawkeyes.