Is it time to leave Iraq

MrChristo

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I wasn't trying to talk down the US Chan....I was just trying to point out that there are bad people in every society.

I just think that some people are too reactionary....Point the finger at an entire race of people because of the actions of individuals.

I think I'll wait on trying to decipher that picture until I get back home to my 19'' monitor!! (bit squishy on the parents 15'')

Hope you don't feel as ill tomorrow morning as I do right now ;)
 

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did i mention america in my post?.......i don`t think so......

once again it was capt. anti-america that injects the great satan into the mix....read mr christo`s threads...anti-american myopia...everything else is irrelevant...

back to my point...the "isolated incident"...

the murder of innocent israelis at the munich olympics....

pushing a wheelchair bound old man off the deck of the achille lauro into the ocean because of his nationality...

shooting and throwing innocent airline pilots out of planes onto aircraft runways....

the abduction and beheading of phillipine missionaries....

the slaughter of innocent nigerian christians...

indonesia....the sudan....kosovo...

the growing islamofascist problems in france,germany,the netherlands...

the bombing of innocent spaniards taking trains to work...

isolated incidents.....except that they were perpetrated by the same islamofascist terrorists....that exist worldwide....



to help the rest of the world to recognize that these monsters do not represent the majority of good,peaceful muslims,the next oic(organization of the islamic) conference should......



* define and condemn terrorism in clear terms, and not hide behind the stupid clich? that "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter."

* should acknowledge full legal equality for men and women, setting aside the obfuscations the mullahs use to prove that women are inferior beings.

* should also abandon the arrogant aim of imposing Islam on the entire world as mankind's sole religion, and, instead, welcome plurality and the competition of beliefs in an atmosphere of freedom and understanding......

*condemn the persecution and murder of non-radical muslims by radical muslims worldwide......

but,don`t hold your breath...

and chan.....much love,my brotha(in a manly kind of way..lol).....happy holidays,my friend...
 
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MrChristo

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You're right, weasel.

ALl Muslim's are utterly evil, and us white, Christian westerners are the only thing that can save the world now.

If it will make you happy, I'll stop saying 'you' or 'America' in my posts and replace them with 'us' or 'the west'....
 

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MrC- I think gw was trying to convey the message that you don't have to over react but, then again it gets old to hear all the USA bashing too. We know there are bad ppl in every race, but at least we have protests and laws enacted to protect all. Can't say the same in other parts of the world.

Even here in LA a radio talk show host was questioning a black Pprofessor on black on black violence, including the rap awards knifing and the Piston players attacking the crowd. The Professor tried to make it a racist thought saying that it happens in other races too and why doesn't the host ask those kinda questions.

I laughed my ass off@ the answer the host gave. He said the next time the crowd bum rushes the stage and/or there is random shootings or stabbings@ the CMT Awards or when golfers start attacking the spectators, he will oblige. Guess NASCAR should start screening/profiling in anticipation of 'gang' fights@ their races.
 

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I understand Chanman, but just maybe some of us here get a bit sick of hearing other races/religions constantly being put down and 'blamed' for trouble.

You're obviously all very patriotic (and that's great..so am I!), but it just gets to me that some of you here seem to just follow the leader/country policies blindly!

As I've said before, I definately have nothing against the USA, you've sure saved our butts on more than one occasion!...But I use the US in examples to try to make people look at issues from the other side....to actually realise there is more than just one side to an issue.

gw brought up the murder of the guy in Spain...Again I ask, how many murders were there on that day in the world that were fueled by race/religion/sexual orientation?

People here seem ready to jump on the 'evil' bandwagon by isolating different occurances.....I simply try to show that I, too, can isolate different things that happen in our own societies, that it seems to me that some people conveniently forget about.

...Another example...gw says about Israeli murders at the Munich Olympics? Fine...But where is Casius Clay's gold medal from that same Games?
It's in a river somewhere because he got thrown out of a white only bar.

So on one hand we have one person saying the Muslim's are not understanding of other races/religion, yet it was perfectly clear that most of the western world didn't exactly get along with each other either.

Muslim's are trying to force their religion on everyone else?....What about Catholic's here (in Australia) lobbying the Government to change abortion laws?...The Government refused (surprisingly, it has to be said!), so now they are setting up help lines and counsiling services to try to disuade people from having abortions.
Not trying to force their wills on others?
I'll also haver to assume that you guys don't have Jehovah's Witnesses over there door knocking, with their 5 yo children in tow. Not trying to influence people?

Of course not.

You want women as equals?..How about we start in the West then? Equal pay? Equal oppertunities? Free child care? etc. etc.

Again, gw, you isolate incidents over a 30 year stretch!!....I'm sure I've mentioned before the Catholic v. Prodastant 'wars' during that time frame.

Denouncing their own religion??...Doesn't happen!...Definately not from within.
We have Catholic priests here in Australia that have been occused of sexual offenses...They get stood down for a year or so, the victims get conpensation, then the priest simply gets transferred and resumes as nothing has happened.

What good is 'denouncing' or apologising if nothing gets done?
None. Zero.
We don't punish our religious figures, how can we expect other cultures to?
 

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You bring up valid points and it is not bad to ? a Goverments actions but, I believe the US does more inherent good than bad. Where did anyone- except Beantown- condemn a whole race or religion on the actions of a few? If we were as bad as some make us out to be we would be acting like the Nazis' did in WW2. Reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy thread.

Best to you for the New Year...Chan
 

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God covers all folks we are told. So when they all say there on the side of god. Or god is on there side. That always leads to the question who's god is right? And just maybe he's not on anyones side. OR? The white race don't even come close to being right all of the time. Nor does the yellow or black.
 

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Yes, we need to extricate ourselves from IRAQ

Yes, we need to extricate ourselves from IRAQ

I have to laugh how Clinton was accused of "natrion building" by Bust et al, yet here we have the most classic case of all of trying to "nation build" a country in our image. I suppose one could argure that this really is a battle of good (us) versus evil (the extreme Muslim world) and it's better fought over there than here, but I'm not convinced we aren't creating more folks that hate us and ultimately will want to kill us than we are killing. Forget about the BS about weapons of mass destruction and how IRAQ was a threat to the US...obviously that was just a rouge...I have to assume the real strategy was to try to create another democracy in the Mid-East that somehow would spread to the other countries...didn't we try that in Viet Nam? In the far east many countries have ended up being democracies but it wasn't because we killed a bunch of folks..it has to come from within the country...the IRAQs don't want us there and why should we stay? I think we ought to let the country implode by themselves and let the chips fall where they may. If we could become less reliant on the mid-east to begin with and tighten up our borders, then the whole region could go up in smoke for all I care. We don't impose our will on Afrrican nations like we do here because there's nothing in it for us (oil)...so they hate and kill each other, but not really the West...
 

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I don?t agree with everything GW does or says, but, as a veteran, I consider myself a patriot and I support the President. To the anger of some friends, I supported Clinton when he was in.

The fact remains, many may disagree vehemently with Bush, but, he won and won decisively?like it or not, that means the majority of the people in the U.S. agree with him?bottom line.
 

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I could give a rats ass where we sit in the "Aid" list nor do I care if you like the U.S. You want American money then move here and work for it. I am sure that if your country were attacked as we were on 9/11 you would be looking for the U.S. to assist. Everything you claim is killing our kids is a matter of choice. We have options and if you desire to feed your kid pot roast or peanut butter is your option, that has absolutely nothing to do with religious fanatacism and the ritual beheading of innocents. WR you are very quick to call people idiots and morons when in fact they are simply stating their opinion. One thing is for sure at least Chanman doesn't lie and say things he has no knowledge of as you do so well. So you know what, you want to talk about a country talk about your own because you know absolutely nothing about ours....................or did you read that transcript too..............jerk.

Eddie,
I cannot say that I fully support the war in Iraq and am certainly not a Bush fan, however, I have very little compassion for them and ignorance of their lifestyle certainly may be a contributing factor for that in my case. I also understand that the media is tilted, but that doesn't mean I don't support the effort of our troops. I am sure that you don't want to see any American life wasted in war and neither do I, but I can say with confidence that you or the majority of the public know very little of the circumstances surrounding our soldiers and their actions. Had I been going from home to home, most likely scared to death, trying to flush out the enemy and a friend of mine had recently been killed by the booby trapped body of an enemy playing dead, then I probably would have shot every body found. I agree with something someone said earlier, close our borders and they can close theirs that is fine......don't go to our schools, ask for our aid, trade on our market,...........etc......
Your right some look at them as freedom fighters..............I do not......they are the enemy right now and I would eliminate them.
And yes I said ignorance.
 

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It's not possible to walk away. There have been so many war crimes committed that some high heads would roll. The following orders routine won't do it anymore. There has to be complete victory no matter what the casualty rate.
 

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I am sure that if your country were attacked as we were on 9/11

OUR COUNTRY WONT BE ATTACKED. WE DONT STEAL FROM WEAK COUNTRIES AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

I LOVE MOST AMERICANS. I JUST HATE THE DUMB ONES THAT THINK THE US IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

30 YRS AGO I WOULD HAVE AGREED BUT PRESENT DAY USA IS DISGUSTING. SEX DRUGS CRIME EVERYWHERE. KIDS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP WITH NUDITY AND DISRESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS.

US MEDIA IS KILLING NORTH AMERICA. THANK GOD CANADA HAS THE CRTC TO KEEP SOEM MORALS IN CANADA.

CLEAN UP YOUR COUNTRY AND ILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY CONGRATS.
 

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I LOVE MOST AMERICANS. I JUST HATE THE DUMB ONES THAT THINK THE US IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

I have my own home in a great neighborhood. A new Ford F-250 that I use to pull a 2002 Ranger 520 DVX to the lake down the street every weekend and a little lake house on Lake Fork the best bass lake in the states a beautiful daughter in college, great friends and a great life. Plus I get to sit on my couch with my laptop and laugh at idiots such as yourself and I am supposed to say that it sucks.
30 YRS AGO I WOULD HAVE AGREED BUT PRESENT DAY USA IS DISGUSTING. SEX DRUGS CRIME EVERYWHERE. KIDS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP WITH NUDITY AND DISRESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS.

US MEDIA IS KILLING NORTH AMERICA. THANK GOD CANADA HAS THE CRTC TO KEEP SOEM MORALS IN CANADA.

CLEAN UP YOUR COUNTRY AND ILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY CONGRATS.
I don't want your congratulations nor does anyone else and you should be the last person to talk of respect, you have none for yourself let alone anyone else. Was it the CRTC that taught you to call everyone a moron? Was it them that taught you to be a pathological liar, which you cannot or have not denied as the proof is on the board already?
So in closing fuhk off.
 

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I LOVE WR said:
OUR COUNTRY WONT BE ATTACKED. WE DONT STEAL FROM WEAK COUNTRIES AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

30 YRS AGO I WOULD HAVE AGREED BUT PRESENT DAY USA IS DISGUSTING. SEX DRUGS CRIME EVERYWHERE. KIDS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP WITH NUDITY AND DISRESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS.

US MEDIA IS KILLING NORTH AMERICA. THANK GOD CANADA HAS THE CRTC TO KEEP SOEM MORALS IN CANADA.
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Hezbollah uses Canada as base:
CSIS Agency wiretaps show suspected operatives using laundered money to buy materiel
By Stewart Bell sbell@nationalpost.com National Post
Thursday, October 31, 2002
The terrorist group Hezbollah has been using Canada as an offshore base for raising money and purchasing supplies needed to carry out and videotape attacks against Israel, documents obtained by the National Post show. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service documents detail how Hezbollah has laundered tens of thousands of dollars through Canadian banks while drawing on the accounts to shop for military equipment. Hezbollah agents shopped for blasting devices, night-vision goggles, powerful computers and camera equipment used to record attacks against Israeli forces, according to dozens of CSIS wiretaps obtained yesterday. The Canadian operation was so successful that CSIS agents overheard suspected Hezbollah operatives in Vancouver in early 1999 congratulating each other in a monitored telephone conversation. "Ali Adham Amhaz informed Mohamad Hassan Dbouk that he was watching the latest news on today's operation involving Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Amhaz congratulated Dbouk for Hezbollah's success in their improving ability which was making Israel retaliate for the attacks."
Even as they lived in Canada with their families as immigrants the Hezbollah operatives apparently remained disdainful of their new surroundings, denouncing "the Canadians and the Zionists" in a wiretapped conversation. Hezbollah is a radical Shiite group formed in Lebanon in 1982 that is funded by Iran and Syria. It is responsible for kidnappings, hostage takings and bombings that killed hundreds of Americans in the early 1980s. Although defended recently as a political movement by Jean Chr?tien, the Prime Minister, and Bill Graham, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hezbollah has been running secret operations in Canada for more than a decade. Mr. Chr?tien declined to condemn Hezbollah after he attended an event at the francophone summit in Beirut two weeks ago that was also attended by the group's leader.
But Canadian police and intelligence reports show the group has been using Canada in recent years to buy materiel, forge travel documents, raise money and steal luxury vehicles. CSIS reports dated April, 2002, show that in 1999 and 2000, Hezbollah sent detailed shopping lists to agents who were allegedly part of a network with operatives in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal who filled the orders and shipped the equipment back to Lebanon in courier packages. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were moved through various Canadian banks such as the Bank of Nova Scotia to finance purchases for what the participants referred to as the "resistance" and the "brave people." Canadian Hezbollah agents also discussed a scam they called a "miracle strike," which involved taking out life insurance on someone and then having them killed in a bombardment in Lebanon.
Two of the alleged Canadian agents, Lebanese immigrants identified as Mr. Dbouk and his brother-in-law Mr. Amhaz, shopped at a "military supply warehouse and looked at some military supplies and instruments in Vancouver." Mr. Dbouk inquired at one company about buying "any equipment used to blow up rocks." The agents were cautious to protect the secrecy of their work, although apparently unaware their every phone call was being recorded by CSIS agents who were already on to their clandestine procurement operation. "Amhaz expressed his concern about depositing large sums of money in the bank account and suggested that Dbouk give him smaller sums of money to avoid suspicion [by the banks]," CSIS wrote. "Dbouk advised Amhaz that he would give instructions that the money be transferred to Ali Bassal in Montreal, after which time Dbouk would fly/travel to Montreal to get the cash and return to B.C." Mr. Dbouk fled Canada and returned to Lebanon but Mr. Amhaz still resides in Burnaby, B.C. The U.S. sought to have him extradited to stand trial but dropped the case without explanation. Mr. Amhaz has denied any involvement with Hezbollah.
The extent of Hezbollah operations in Canada first came to light in the 1990s when an agent named Mohammed Hussein al-Husseini was arrested for deportation. He told CSIS about a vast cross-Canada network. He also confessed that agents had spied on Canadians and sent information about Canadian life and infrastructure back to Lebanon "in case there's a problem with Canada." In two cases, alleged Hezbollah agents wanted for terrorist activities overseas were found hiding out in Edmonton and Ottawa. One of them has been charged with taking part in a 1993 bombing attack in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 Americans. "Hezbollah has members in Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto -- all of Canada," Mr. Al-Husseini, a member of Hezbollah's security organization, told CSIS before he was deported in 1994.
"Hezbollah wants to collect information on Canada, on life in Canada, its roads and so on, in case there's a problem with Canada." He was reportedly referring to videotapes of Canadian landmarks sent to Hezbollah. The RCMP has also linked auto theft rings in Ontario and Quebec to Hezbollah, saying that a portion of the criminal proceeds were funnelled to the group, and that luxury SUVs stolen in Canada were being driven by high-ranking Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon. The CSIS reports on Hezbollah's Canadian activities were made available recently to U.S. attorneys prosecuting accused operatives involved in a North Carolina cigarette smuggling ring.
? Copyright 2002 National Post

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/

http://www.fotf.ca/familyfacts/tfn/2001/092401.html

http://www.familyaction.org/PDFs/consentca.pdf
 

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on a different tangent---I think they are finally waking up.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=8&u=/nm/20050109/ts_nm/iraq_squads_report_dc

If we can just keep liberal media from whining they have good opp to fight terror with terror.

---and another thing is I can't figure all the hoop la on them fearing civil war.When you have the sunnis creating all the havoc to regain control--and trying to halt elections with terror and refusal to particpate--it seems to me there is already a one sided civil war going on now.How about a little tit for tat and after elections let the Kurds from the north and Shittes from the south use their own hammer and anvil approach.
 

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I have my own home in a great neighborhood. A new Ford F-250 that I use to pull a 2002 Ranger 520 DVX to the lake down the street every weekend and a little lake house on Lake Fork the best bass lake in the states a beautiful daughter in college, great friends and a great life. Plus I get to sit on my couch with my laptop and laugh at idiots such as yourself and I am supposed to say that it sucks.

FATDADDY YOU ARE THE TYPICAL INSECURE AMERICAN. SO A TRUCK AND A HITCH MAKE A GREAT COUNTRY. NOTHING PERSONAL BUT GUYS LIKE YOU ARE WHY THE STATES ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. YOU CARE MORE ABOUT THE FOOD YOU PUT ON THE BBQ THAN YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY. AND YES YOU DO CARE WHAT I AND OTHERS THINK HENCE YOUR VERY CHILDISH RANT ABOUT ALL YOU HAVE OR SUPPOSEDLY HAVE.

COUCH AND LAPTOP. I NOW HAVE A FINANCIAL IDOL.

YOU MAY BE A VERY NICE GUY IN REAL LIFE BUT YOU SOUND LIKE A GREEDY SELFISH PRICK IN HERE. YOU DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYONE BUT FATBOY. AND THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS NOT MINE.

SO IF YOUR WIFE OR EX WIFE WHO HAD BEEN A GOOD SOLID MOTHER FOR YEARS SNAPPED AND KILLED YOUR KIDS YOU WOULD WANT HER EXECUTED. EVEN THOUGH YOU KNEW SHRE WAS A GREAT MOTHER AND HAD MAJOR MAJOR MENTAL PROBS.

YATES HAS ALOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN PPD. DONT BE SO IGNORANT TO THE FACTS. LOOK UP THE TRANSCRIPTS YOURSELF. THEY'RE EASY TO FIND. DO IT WHEN YOU ARE ON YOUR COUCH NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU SAY YOU DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS OR OTHER COUNTRIES THINK OF YOU. SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE TWIN TOWERS. SOUNDS LIKE IT. THEY WERE BOMBED BECAUSE THE US HAS RAPED AND PILLAGED HELPLESS COUNTRIES FOR QUITE SOME TIME. READ SOME HISTORY BOOKS.

YOU DONT CARE THAT 10 YR OLDS GIRLS ARE DRESSING LIKE HOOKERS THANKS TO MADONNA AND BRITNEY SPEARS. YOU DONT CARE THAT YOUNG BLACK AND WHITE GIRLS ARE GETTING RAPED DAILY THANKS TO RAP MUSIC VIDEOS AND PORN.

YOU DONT CARE THAT THE US IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TO HAVE A BLACK ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL.

YOU DONT CARE WHAT THE CHINESE THINK. YOU WILL ONE DAY.

IM NOT THE ASSHOLE I ATTEMPT TO MAKE YOU THINK I AM. I JUST WANT YOU LAZY BEER DRINKIN SLOBS TO SMARTEN UP SO MY KIDS AND NEXT GENERATIONS CAN HAVE F250'S AND COTTAGES. THE US IS OWNED BY HONG KONG AND THE SUADIS AND YOU GUYS JUST SIT BACK IN YOUR COUCHES AND DO NOTHING WHILE YOUR COUNTRY IS BEING STOLEN FROM YOU.

WAKE UP PLEASE!!

CHANMAN AS USUAL THANKS FOR MAKING ME WASTE MY TIME READING YOUR OCE AGAIN WAY OFF TOPIC POST. I AGREE WITH YA AND THATS WHY WE WONT GET ATTACKED ALSO.

STOP KILLING YOUR KIDS THROUGH LAZINESS AND ACCEPTANCE
 

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It's to bad were still in Iraq. We won in four weeks per Bush. So why were there 2 years is good question. I guess after we won Bush's team of experts have screwed up a few dozen times. But somehow those experts escape without there ass thrown out the door. I think Bush looks stupid now if he does it. Bush keep's hearing voices.
 

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Hey dickhead I spent 5 1/2 years in the Marine Corps.
Raised a Daughter from cradle to 20 years and counting working two fuhking jobs and did that by myself without help from any chest thumping Canadians who think they know what is wrong with the country to the south. I will tell you unequivically that if my ex-wife killed my daughter by drowning her in the tub I would have shot her myself. You have no right to pass judgement on anyone here.
Again I have looked up the transcripts and would be happy to post the website for you http://www.courttv.com/trials/yates/
See how easy that was now go find me where hubby beat her as you have claimed. Can't can you? LIAR
By the way You are a much bigger asshole than you try to be.
Also what the hell does BET have to do with anything bigot?
 
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