is there any dispute, this should cinch it, Bush WORST IN HISTORY

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FIRST Republicans don't even allow him to attend their convention, now they tell him to shove his deal.

Good thing McCain rushed to Washington to broker a deal and solve crisis. He really has his party with him.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Worst market drop in history, approaching 800 points.
 

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Worst market drop in history, approaching 800 points

what would it have dropped if the shorting was permitted?
 

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I think DTB say's its all about the Dems taking over congress. By the way first time i had Hannity on in awhile and all it was about was Pastor Wright. Ya just have to love Fox News.
 

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Seriously though.

Bush looked bad the other night.

So many bad decisions.

His job achievement numbers got to be single digits.
 

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Can dispute Bush bashing oin this, but the Dems could have passed this if they wanted to. To blame the Republicans is just ridiculous.

And remember...Peolis, Reid and the Democratic Congress' approval raings are all actually lower than W.
 

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And remember...Peolis, Reid and the Democratic Congress' approval raings are all actually lower than W.

Aren't their any republicans in congress or is it all democrats? You seem to have every Fox texas talking points down to a science. Are you aware that the Republicans filibustered bill after bill so nothing can get done? Honestly i can't stand sticking up for democrats but you blind clowns with your right wing Texas talking points take the cake.
 

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The Dems did the same thing when the Republicans were in charge...

Both sides are incompetent clowns...

No they didn't. Remember the gang of 14 when the Republicans conned the democrats into not filibustering anything and then like good little thieves they ran garbage after garbage thru to screw the country as the Dems fell for it hook line and sinker. How quickly we forget.
 

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Not even close to being worse drop in history(Almost 800 pts).Lets not overstate it.

It was a bad day,dont get me wrong.But not close to the worst ever.The Facts:shrug:
 

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Oh no, according to DTB, history will show how great *W* is/was.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That is correct--Chad
I see exact situation as Truman's

I must assume from timing of this thread that somehow Shamrock and his legion is blaming GW for this bill not passing--I would say he's done everything but get on his knees to get it passed--but not surprised by those with Shamrock's --It Gw's fault mentality--laying blame on him.

I'll defer and lay blame on 133 Republicans and 95 Democrats that voted no .

I'm especially disappoint in the Rebs on this vote--especially after the Barney Frank-Chris Dodd slush fund for liberal housing lobbies (ACORN)-- a plank to let judges shield deadbeat homeowners from bankruptcy laws--and a ploy to stack bank boards with union members was eliminated from package.

A little on ACORN
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and "direct action" that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn't get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we're in.
ACORN does many things under the umbrella of "community organizing." They agitate for higher minimum wages, attempt to thwart school reform, try to unionize welfare workers (that is, those welfare recipients who are obliged to work in exchange for benefits) and organize voter registration efforts (always for Democrats, of course). Because they are on the side of righteousness and justice, they aren't especially fastidious about their methods. In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the "worst case of election fraud in our state's history." As Fox News reported:

"The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms."

ACORN explained that this was an "isolated" incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado -- all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.

ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."

ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.

Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare "the party is over" for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.
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Franks Todd sponsonoring add in--same people been running Fannie Mae past years--same people and O bama receiving most donations from Fannie Mae---could a prudent person see any connects here--besides -- Its GW's fault ;)
 
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Not even close to being worse drop in history(Almost 800 pts).Lets not overstate it.

It was a bad day,dont get me wrong.But not close to the worst ever.The Facts:shrug:

Just to clarify.Overall were at 10,300 and change.
A 1day worst,but lets see what today brings:scared
 

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Can dispute Bush bashing oin this, but the Dems could have passed this if they wanted to. To blame the Republicans is just ridiculous.

And remember...Peolis, Reid and the Democratic Congress' approval raings are all actually lower than W.

Bush can't even get his own party behind him. He came on TV trying to sell the bailout and his own party told him to get lost. Yes, there are bad dems but Bush is the worst of the worst. And yes the Congress ratings are low but that is only because they have given Bush everything he has asked for. Up until now. I salut everyone who voted no.
 

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clinton's fault :shrug:

I think I've been fair to Bill,Jack.

Have always been consistant in saying he was not responsible for dot.com bust anymore than he was for boom.

As matter of fact I believe I am only one to mention that though he signed into law reform that enable this to occur the bill was sponsored by Graham--a Reb. :shrug:

The prob is politicians wanting to reward/ the deadbeats --and financial institutions trying to profit from it.

You can't win war on poverty by throwing money to them--you have to change cultural habits.

Little wonder personal debt has increased when they reward debtors--but want to penalize those that save--

ie-- O's plans for increase social entitlement programs
and pay for by doubling taxes on capital gains.:SIB
 

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you can't win war on poverty by throwing money to them--you have to change cultural habits.

No offense DTB, but there's just something about some capitalists that makes me want to vomit.
 
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