Is Winning on a Faulty Slot Machine a Crime?
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I like to know what kind of slot machine it was, because I am telling u some of thing w/the 100's of lines u don't know if u r winnning or losing.
Fuk caesars its their mistake they should just eat the loss like we do when we lose.
Fuk caesars its their mistake they should just eat the loss like we do when we lose.
Totally agree. I don't think the players are at fault at all. I'm sure there have been machines broken in house favor that we never hear about. The idea of criminal charges is ludicrous. I would have taken that machine for as much as possible.
I wouldn't have wanted my name out there as the whistle-blower; I do know that!
I guess they're catching the people because they were putting in their little gold player cards each time? :mj07: Has to be the way, and stupidity needs to be punished. How else could they be tracing it? :142smilie
I guess they're catching the people because they were putting in their little gold player cards each time? :mj07: Has to be the way, and stupidity needs to be punished. How else could they be tracing it? :142smilie
stealing is stealing. Don't wanna be a Mother Goose on this topic but it is still wrong. You can have your personal vendettas against the "house" all you want but it is what it is, stealing. The casino takes all my money anyway argument is weak, people DON'T have to gamble.
If they are GIVING you money, then you haven't stolen it. The players did nothing but put money in. They didn't rig the machine or hold up the cash cage. The machine gave them money. Can't see how this could be considered a crime. It's a player's dream to hit a jackpot like that. No crime whatsoever.
understand your point and I think you are right to some extent, however just like Gmroz said, its a matter of ethics when the rational person realizes what indeed is truly going on.
Yea, and if they found out later this machine wasn't PAYING OUT CORRECTLY, would they hunt down all the people who played it and pay them back?
Yea fukcin right!!!
Yea fukcin right!!!
Well, you're wrong. They are not GIVING you that money. We went through this when this was fresh news, and nothing has changed. If you "win" the money, great. If you knowingly recieve money that you know you are not entitled to, it is wrong. In fact, it IS theft.
No matter how much of an "us versus them" game we have against casinos, this isn't part of it.
I don't agree with that logic. Finding a broken machine is all part of the game. Players are no less entitled to that money than they are a "legitimate" jackpot.
I'm not talking about "us vs them", I'm just talking about lucky gamblers. ...It's sort of like the casino got a bad beat and now want to prosecute the lucky gamblers. It's weak.
I'm not talking about "us vs them", I'm just talking about lucky gamblers. ...It's sort of like the casino got a bad beat and now want to prosecute the lucky gamblers. It's weak.
I know you don't agree with it, smurphy.
I know quite a few guys who don't agree with the judge for locking them up for stealing someone's car, either. They actually thought they were entitled to it.
I know quite a few guys who don't agree with the judge for locking them up for stealing someone's car, either. They actually thought they were entitled to it.
I think that message on the machine would save the consumer in court. The one that states play at your own risk the casino is not liable in case of a malfuction or power failure. I would think that to would cover the consumer on a technicality :SIB :nono:
I agree with you all
I agree with you all
If the ATM accidentally gives you too much cash, or computer error deposits too much money in your account, or government sends you a big-money check in error---you give it back immediately to avoid possible criminal charges.
Taking advantage of someone else's screwup can be viewed as an intent to defraud.
I would say that sliding in a dollar, realizing WOW! I can cash out for $10, and then repeating that same action umpteen times without actually using the slot machine would also qualify as intent.
but what if you did use the slot machine some? Or were drunk, or confused and excited newbie, and not quite sure what was going on except getting lots of money?
Was it dishonest to exploit the machine knowingly? Absolutely. Did everyone know? probably not. How can you separate those who did from those who didn't? You probably can't in most cases---I don't see prosecuting these folks would be very easy.
But a casino that fails to check their equipment prior to public use, and has inadequate monitoring proceedures, is poorly operating their business--should get no sympathy from the general public. Would seem stupid to me to threaten customers with prosecution.
Wouldn't happen in Las Vegas, casino would keep it to themselves so Nevada state regulators don't investigate and levy fines for such sloppy slot machine testing/installation proceedures.
I agree with you all
If the ATM accidentally gives you too much cash, or computer error deposits too much money in your account, or government sends you a big-money check in error---you give it back immediately to avoid possible criminal charges.
Taking advantage of someone else's screwup can be viewed as an intent to defraud.
I would say that sliding in a dollar, realizing WOW! I can cash out for $10, and then repeating that same action umpteen times without actually using the slot machine would also qualify as intent.
but what if you did use the slot machine some? Or were drunk, or confused and excited newbie, and not quite sure what was going on except getting lots of money?
Was it dishonest to exploit the machine knowingly? Absolutely. Did everyone know? probably not. How can you separate those who did from those who didn't? You probably can't in most cases---I don't see prosecuting these folks would be very easy.
But a casino that fails to check their equipment prior to public use, and has inadequate monitoring proceedures, is poorly operating their business--should get no sympathy from the general public. Would seem stupid to me to threaten customers with prosecution.
Wouldn't happen in Las Vegas, casino would keep it to themselves so Nevada state regulators don't investigate and levy fines for such sloppy slot machine testing/installation proceedures.
Totally agree.
This is the part of the story I find unbelievable. I proudly work for our nation's DoD and part of my job is to evaluate our communications security and more and more of our equipments are moving from hardware-based solutions to software-based solutions. 100,000 lines of code is impossible to thoroughly evaluate so you pick and choose and evaluate the code most critical to the security of your system.
Seems like checking to make sure a $1 put in is registered as a $1 and not $10 should (1) be right up near the top of the code and (2) would be considered pretty security-relevant. :shrug:
Shame on the casino for not spending a few extra bucks to hire someone to evaluate the most essential portion of the software running the machines. :nono:
Excellent post.
I have NO sympathy for the casino at all, either. I don't want anyone thinking along those lines!
But, I have no sympathy for the guy who knows something aint right, and looks around while pumping bill after bill into the machine, either. He is a thief. IMO, if he would steal from them, he would steal from me, and I have no time for him.
In the winter I read in the New York Post that there was a tote machine at an OTB that was allowing people to place any bets they wanted. It was an obvious malfunction, but some people got in many bets, cashed, at took off.
i didn't read this whole thread but if i was playing a slot or poker machine and was being credited $10 for every $1 i put in it, i would notify the casino authorities immediately.
if i went to cash a $100 check at the bank and the girl gave me $1000, i would tell her immediately. if i give a clerk at a store a $20 and he gives me change for $100, i tell him about it. WTF is the matter with people? stealing like that didn't happen 30-50 years ago. people *used* to be honest.
how in the hell did that go on for so long without them [the casino] finding out about it?
people must have been making regular trips to play their "favorite" machine. LOL
if i went to cash a $100 check at the bank and the girl gave me $1000, i would tell her immediately. if i give a clerk at a store a $20 and he gives me change for $100, i tell him about it. WTF is the matter with people? stealing like that didn't happen 30-50 years ago. people *used* to be honest.
how in the hell did that go on for so long without them [the casino] finding out about it?
people must have been making regular trips to play their "favorite" machine. LOL
