Ivey wins $12 Million by noticing flawed cards

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And I say again.............if the casino actually let him bet AFTER THE CARDS WERE DEALT (face down). Then that casino will go down as being the dumbest casino in the history of the world.

All the executives at that casino should be fired if that actually happened.
 
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For those that don't know what "mini baccarat" is......

*mini baccarat = customers can not touch cards
*baccarat = customers can touch cards

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kickserv said:
"Punto banco" is known as "mini baccarat" here in North America. Or simply put it is where the dealer touches the cards at all times. In "baccarat" the customer can touch the cards, in "mini baccarat" the customer can not touch the cards" that is the only difference.

Go to any casino anywhere in the world and play "mini baccarat".....the shoe changes after 70-90 hands. Then those cards from that shoe are never used again after roughly 3 hours or so.

(in baccarat cards are destroyed after one hand, customers can rip cards in half if they like)

For some stupid reason Phil got to use the same cards for days:scared

Oh and for those that know baccarat, if what the casino says is in fact true Phil didn't know for sure he was going to win. Yes if what casino said actually happened he had an advantage but that didn't mean he was 100 percent going to win his hand. Only some of the cards were "defective" and in baccarat there can be 6 cards dealt in one hand.

Oh and I call bullshit on what the casino said. And even if it was true, they made errors that were beyond stupid.

Fire the staff........pay Phil his money.
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kickserv said:
I have played thousands of hands of "mini baccarat" in casinos. The shoe gets switched out after all the cards are dealt. Most casinos have "red cards" and then "blue cards". They will deal the "red cards" (roughly 80 hands), then deal the "blue cards" (roughly 80 hands).

Some casinos will even just deal one shoe and take the cards out of play. Some will maybe deal the shoe twice. And at max three times. And then that's it.

How in the love of fuck they used the same shoe FOR DAYS is mind boggling.:scared



And if some of the cards were "defective"....how could nobody at the casino notice this:shrug:

It is their job to check the cards for fucks sake.
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kickserv said:

WRONG


If you know baccarat he may have known what the next card was or maybe two. But he would not know what the next 4 cards were or the next six.

The only way that would be the case would be if he had the dealer deal 4 cards face down AND THEN he was allowed to bet.

If that happened and the casino actually let him BET AFTER THE CARDS WERE ON THE TABLE, then the entire casino should just open the vault to every customer and have them walk in and take all their money.


Oh and even then Phil would not know if he was going to win or not.



Bottom line, the casino was beyond stupid and they were lucky they only lost 12 million US dollars. Or maybe they did. Perhaps someone else noticed the defective cards and took money off em.

The casino fucked up so massively in every way.


Phil did nothing wrong....pay him.
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kickserv said:
And I say again.............if the casino actually let him bet AFTER THE CARDS WERE DEALT (face down). Then that casino will go down as being the dumbest casino in the history of the world.

All the executives at that casino should be fired if that actually happened.
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kickserv said:
For those that don't know what "mini baccarat" is......

*mini baccarat = customers can not touch cards
*baccarat = customers can touch cards

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/19gGDesRaVQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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It's good to know that you can google shit.
 
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kickserv said:
For those that don't know what "mini baccarat" is......

*mini baccarat = customers can not touch cards
*baccarat = customers can touch cards

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/19gGDesRaVQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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kickserv said:

WRONG


If you know baccarat he may have known what the next card was or maybe two. But he would not know what the next 4 cards were or the next six.

The only way that would be the case would be if he had the dealer deal 4 cards face down AND THEN he was allowed to bet.

If that happened and the casino actually let him BET AFTER THE CARDS WERE ON THE TABLE, then the entire casino should just open the vault to every customer and have them walk in and take all their money.


Oh and even then Phil would not know if he was going to win or not.



Bottom line, the casino was beyond stupid and they were lucky they only lost 12 million US dollars. Or maybe they did. Perhaps someone else noticed the defective cards and took money off em.

The casino fucked up so massively in every way.


Phil did nothing wrong....pay him.
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I'm sorry, but it's not wrong.


I have no idea what the markings on the cards gave away. Perhaps the "0" value cards were the offset cards? If that was the case, and a player noted that the first card coming out was a "0", it would be a wise play to bet BANK. Zero is the worst point total in this game, so I will side against the team starting with zero, thank you.

What ever the variation was, it obviously gave Ivey a tremendous edge.
 
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yyz said:
I'm sorry, but it's not wrong.


I have no idea what the markings on the cards gave away. Perhaps the "0" value cards were the offset cards? If that was the case, and a player noted that the first card coming out was a "0", it would be a wise play to bet BANK. Zero is the worst point total in this game, so I will side against the team starting with zero, thank you.

What ever the variation was, it obviously gave Ivey a tremendous edge.
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An advantage yes, but a small one. But yes an advantage.

You only see one card in the shoe, just one.

Unless of course the casino was beyond stupid and let him bet after the cards were dealt. If that was the case then the casino staff should just open the cashier window to every single customer.

Oh and nobody knows for sure if some cards were "defective" anyway, that very well could be the casino making up shit.

Even if true that some cars were "defective" the advantage to a customer in baccarat is minimal. Yes an advantage for sure, but a small one.

I have played a ton of hands in baccarat, if I knew what one card was every hand the advantage would be almost nothing.

The casino is simple making up bullshit trying to cover their ass, and in turn are making things worse.

But as stated if 4 cards were dealt face down and THEN Ivey was allowed to bet......well then that is just moronic and Ivey should be paid double because the casino was so stupid.


Ivey did nothing wrong.....nothing. Pay him
 
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