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I always find it ironic how similar "non-conformists" are.

I can't tell what you are really saying...

similar as far as what??? not conforming just because everyone else does?

You are taking the 1 attribute in question and saying that non-conformists are all similar for the 1 attribute they all have in common. Ummm.. duh.

You "conformists" (??) are all similar in that you try and break down to such a generic level. You like to generalize everything as much as possible. This thought process by no means defines me. But, whatever. You think I'm similar to who and based on what grounds?

If someone echoes what I said in the previous post, then yes, I have a similar thought process to them in that regards. Thanks for clearing that up :toast:
 

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I've always understood the Happiness and Celebration, i've never understood the Rioting, smashing windows, turning over police cars and Looting that people do in the heat of the moment.
 

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jord I get what you are saying, but man its sports


fans are happy when they win, sad when they lose


jack, and most sane fans, don't really "hate" anyone from opposing sides. they do not really wish evil on anyone....ya I am with ya, I will never promote "hate" to my children, but I also see no problem with fans going crazy when they win....life is hard enough man, gives the average man something to root for, and something to be a part of...I think that is why sports are beautiful. They allow us to be a part of something otherwise we never would have gotten an opportunity.


some of the crazies, ya maybe I don't know I cant speak for them, but for the true sports advocate, the guy who roots like hell with buddies while drinking a beer, but gets up for work the next morning win or lose, I can tell ya this: they love their teams, and win or lose their life goes on, but with a win, life is that much sweeter :toast:

By no means am I saying you are bad or wrong for cheering for sports teams. Like I said, I get it. I'm just saying that the Prussians developed the school system, pep rally attitude to ingrain obedience and war into our heads. There is a reason the NFL so closely associates itself with the military. This type of attitude is indoctrination to support the team at all cause...

"question the war in those days, and many people would just give you a puzzled look, as if asking why they hated the Broncos. "Because they're our enemies!" According to whom? Had Iraq attacked us? "What are you, on their side? You're either with us or against us!" And the countless innocents who would die from the invasion? Probably fans of the other team, the jerks.

Even if you didn't support the war, you should of course "Support the Troops," preferably with a yellow magnet on your car (don't use a sticker, it could scuff the paint). Naturally, they're fighting for us, and it's important to support the home team, don't you know, even if the game itself seems pointless to you. And support them only by keeping them at war, no matter what, for years and years and years, because quitters don't win the championship ring. We need to bring home the gold. For our country, our honor, etc.

And when it comes to politics, the same logic applies. You can choose "your" team ? there are two big ones ? and then cheer for them, wear their t-shirts, wish harm upon the opposing team, and feel as if something's been accomplished when someone from your team wins a major office. Between the shouting matches at bars and the flaming blog posts, you'll barely notice how truly powerless you are.

Gatto's work reveals many ways government schools are designed to break human beings into mindless, obedient machines. There's the common teacher tactic of insulting and humiliating the kid who acts differently, or asks too many questions. There's the charming custom of begging for permission to carry out basic bodily functions, which many a teacher gleefully denies ? and you must have that hall pass so you can show your papers to the hall monitors, proving you have a right to pee.

Possibly most effective is the practice of age-ranked classes. Every child naturally looks to older children and adults as role models. The school denies us this, forcing kids to look to other kids their own age as role models. Everybody strives to be like everybody else, the source of the common teenage lament that "Everybody else dresses this way!" or "Everybody else is going to the party!" After more than a decade of this, we become adults desperate to prove to everyone else that we are just like everyone else. Much character development is also lost in the other direction ? older kids never learn the responsibility of looking out for younger kids, the understanding of subject matter that comes from helping to tutor them, or the fulfillment that comes from helping someone smaller and weaker than yourself.

All of this is useful for training obedient subjects who constantly adjust themselves to whatever they are told. When it comes to the martial virtues, however, there's nothing quite like a properly managed team-sports program. Kids can learn loyalty, teamwork, obedience, aggressiveness, and an animosity toward the "enemy" that can be snapped on at will. Some of these may sound virtuous by themselves ? but what about the German soldier who remains steadfastly loyal to Hitler, or engages in teamwork by helping operate a concentration camp? Those soldiers were several generations into the Prussian school system on which the American system is based.

Clearly, the individual needs an inner core of principles that he values more highly than the approval of the team, the coaches, and the rest of the school community. Such fierce individualism is at the heart of what it means to be American, and what it means to be human, and it is something government schools will never teach."
 

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Hey I'm halfway with ya. When it's not my team I look around and shrug "what's the big deal"?
But when it IS my team, I am jumping up and down and hooting and hollering. :toast:
Really what I take the most displeasure in is band-wagoners who cheer louder and cause more trouble than the die-hards. That being said, I can't blame anyone for wanting to join in the fun.

For me, baseball is a way of life. I spend months out of the year watching/listening to every game, get to know the players (in a manner of speaking), hang on every word the broadcasters say over the course of an entire season etc.
So when the Giants won the World Series for the first time in 50+ years back in 2010, I too had friends congratulating me. Not fellow Giants fans, but people who knew how much time and emotions I had put into the team my entire life. Fellow Giants fans didn't congratulate me, they high fived me, cause they were in it with me. They were at the games with me over the years.

But friends who aren't fans knew that I didn't walk away when they were terrible etc. They are congratulating my perseverance, or obsessiveness. They know the happiness I am experiencing, appreciate it, and mention it to me. It's the flip side of the coin that more often seems me bummed and saying "maybe next year". Their congratulations are completely genuine and uplifting.
In this case, by sharing his love of the Ravens Jack continually puts himself on the line for harassment every year the Ravens don?t win the AFC Championship (or super bowl). Again, the congratulations is akin to saying ?you took our shit when they lost, and never stopped making threads about your Ravens, congratulations for enduring that.?

I hadn't heard that sports rivalries were invented by government to control its population, but that doesn't necessarily surprise me.
But just because sometimes was conceived as a handy way to motivate citizens in one direction doesn't mean that we can't re-purpose that same device in positive ways. This is America, we take things conceived elsewhere, steal the best and discard the worst. Or so the story goes.

Anything can be taken too far to the extreme, or get twisted into something negative, but having the wisdom to recognize when it is having a negative impact on a group of people or when it is harmless fun would seem the key to not letting it bother you too much.
Everything in moderation. (or the Middle Way as Buddha would say).

Now if the Ravens win 2 or 3 Super Bowls and Jack becomes insufferable (like say, Patriots fans), I think the congratulations will dry up. And rightly so. :nono:

Luckily the 49ers will prevent that from happening.
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And I ESPECIALLY enjoy the road the Ravens took to get there. Away at Manning and away at Brady.

And I know that you are still not a believer.

Where are the elites? :lol:
 

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I can't tell what you are really saying...

similar as far as what??? not conforming just because everyone else does?

I'm saying you DO conform. You aren't original in any way, shape, or form.

Sure, you think you are all edgy and shit.....but when the cover comes off, you're just another version of "us".


Individuality sounds great, until you realize you're alone.
 
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Hey I'm halfway with ya. When it's not my team I look around and shrug "what's the big deal"?
But when it IS my team, I am jumping up and down and hooting and hollering. :toast:
Really what I take the most displeasure in is band-wagoners who cheer louder and cause more trouble than the die-hards. That being said, I can't blame anyone for wanting to join in the fun.

For me, baseball is a way of life. I spend months out of the year watching/listening to every game, get to know the players (in a manner of speaking), hang on every word the broadcasters say over the course of an entire season etc.
So when the Giants won the World Series for the first time in 50+ years back in 2010, I too had friends congratulating me. Not fellow Giants fans, but people who knew how much time and emotions I had put into the team my entire life. Fellow Giants fans didn't congratulate me, they high fived me, cause they were in it with me. They were at the games with me over the years.

But friends who aren't fans knew that I didn't walk away when they were terrible etc. They are congratulating my perseverance, or obsessiveness. They know the happiness I am experiencing, appreciate it, and mention it to me. It's the flip side of the coin that more often seems me bummed and saying "maybe next year". Their congratulations are completely genuine and uplifting.
In this case, by sharing his love of the Ravens Jack continually puts himself on the line for harassment every year the Ravens don?t win the AFC Championship (or super bowl). Again, the congratulations is akin to saying ?you took our shit when they lost, and never stopped making threads about your Ravens, congratulations for enduring that.?

I hadn't heard that sports rivalries were invented by government to control its population, but that doesn't necessarily surprise me.
But just because sometimes was conceived as a handy way to motivate citizens in one direction doesn't mean that we can't re-purpose that same device in positive ways. This is America, we take things conceived elsewhere, steal the best and discard the worst. Or so the story goes.

Anything can be taken too far to the extreme, or get twisted into something negative, but having the wisdom to recognize when it is having a negative impact on a group of people or when it is harmless fun would seem the key to not letting it bother you too much.
Everything in moderation. (or the Middle Way as Buddha would say).

Now if the Ravens win 2 or 3 Super Bowls and Jack becomes insufferable (like say, Patriots fans), I think the congratulations will dry up. And rightly so. :nono:

Luckily the 49ers will prevent that from happening.
:0corn


Bravo!! I was going to respond, but this sums up my feelings, right down to the if the Ravens win 2 or 3, my Congrats will go to more of a Fuck the Ravens.
 

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I'm saying you DO conform. You aren't original in any way, shape, or form.

Sure, you think you are all edgy and shit.....but when the cover comes off, you're just another version of "us".


Individuality sounds great, until you realize you're alone.

YYZ getting all philosophical and shit.
 

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I'm saying you DO conform. You aren't original in any way, shape, or form.

Sure, you think you are all edgy and shit.....but when the cover comes off, you're just another version of "us".


Individuality sounds great, until you realize you're alone.

LOL. First off, you are the one talking about original, conforming, and all that. What makes you think I think I am "all edgy and shit?" And when did i say I was alone? You are reaching here...

You seriously don't have 1 clue who I am or what I am about. You like to get personal with everyone that you don't know... I just stick to the points. If you want to discuss the point of the thread or have a theoretical discussion about political theory, propaganda, indoctrination, the nature of the state, war and peace, sports, pop culture, parenting, porn... I am happy to do that. I have zero interest in defending who i am to you or getting thrown off the topic by you comparing me to people who you may know that try to be individualistic just to be "edgy" or different.
And I would never imagine throwing personal insults at some dude on the internet who i don't know anything about other than he likes to go around into people's threads and be an asshole.
I like to write, discuss, and try and understand how and why other people think the way they do. Edgy?? You can decide that for your own.
 

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LOL. First off, you are the one talking about original, conforming, and all that. What makes you think I think I am "all edgy and shit?" And when did i say I was alone? You are reaching here...

You seriously don't have 1 clue who I am or what I am about. You like to get personal with everyone that you don't know... I just stick to the points. If you want to discuss the point of the thread or have a theoretical discussion about political theory, propaganda, indoctrination, the nature of the state, war and peace, sports, pop culture, parenting, porn... I am happy to do that. I have zero interest in defending who i am to you or getting thrown off the topic by you comparing me to people who you may know that try to be individualistic just to be "edgy" or different.
And I would never imagine throwing personal insults at some dude on the internet who i don't know anything about other than he likes to go around into people's threads and be an asshole.
I like to write, discuss, and try and understand how and why other people think the way they do. Edgy?? You can decide that for your own.

:popcorn2
 

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Hey I'm halfway with ya. When it's not my team I look around and shrug "what's the big deal"?
But when it IS my team, I am jumping up and down and hooting and hollering. :toast:
Really what I take the most displeasure in is band-wagoners who cheer louder and cause more trouble than the die-hards. That being said, I can't blame anyone for wanting to join in the fun.

For me, baseball is a way of life. I spend months out of the year watching/listening to every game, get to know the players (in a manner of speaking), hang on every word the broadcasters say over the course of an entire season etc.
So when the Giants won the World Series for the first time in 50+ years back in 2010, I too had friends congratulating me. Not fellow Giants fans, but people who knew how much time and emotions I had put into the team my entire life. Fellow Giants fans didn't congratulate me, they high fived me, cause they were in it with me. They were at the games with me over the years.

But friends who aren't fans knew that I didn't walk away when they were terrible etc. They are congratulating my perseverance, or obsessiveness. They know the happiness I am experiencing, appreciate it, and mention it to me. It's the flip side of the coin that more often seems me bummed and saying "maybe next year". Their congratulations are completely genuine and uplifting.
In this case, by sharing his love of the Ravens Jack continually puts himself on the line for harassment every year the Ravens don?t win the AFC Championship (or super bowl). Again, the congratulations is akin to saying ?you took our shit when they lost, and never stopped making threads about your Ravens, congratulations for enduring that.?

I hadn't heard that sports rivalries were invented by government to control its population, but that doesn't necessarily surprise me.
But just because sometimes was conceived as a handy way to motivate citizens in one direction doesn't mean that we can't re-purpose that same device in positive ways. This is America, we take things conceived elsewhere, steal the best and discard the worst. Or so the story goes.

Anything can be taken too far to the extreme, or get twisted into something negative, but having the wisdom to recognize when it is having a negative impact on a group of people or when it is harmless fun would seem the key to not letting it bother you too much.
Everything in moderation. (or the Middle Way as Buddha would say).

Now if the Ravens win 2 or 3 Super Bowls and Jack becomes insufferable (like say, Patriots fans), I think the congratulations will dry up. And rightly so. :nono:

Luckily the 49ers will prevent that from happening.
:0corn

Appreciate the response. You and one-timer made me get where you guys go with the whole congratulating thing.

I agree with what I bolded above. I am not saying anything is bad per se... but I do know the culture of pep rallies and support does help shape people's ways of thinking into a "support us just because" mentality... whether they know it or not.

I think it's cool how into baseball you are. Being that passionate about anything that isn't evil related is cool.

:toast:
 

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LOL. First off, you are the one talking about original, conforming, and all that. What makes you think I think I am "all edgy and shit?" And when did i say I was alone? You are reaching here...

You seriously don't have 1 clue who I am or what I am about. You like to get personal with everyone that you don't know... I just stick to the points. If you want to discuss the point of the thread or have a theoretical discussion about political theory, propaganda, indoctrination, the nature of the state, war and peace, sports, pop culture, parenting, porn... I am happy to do that. I have zero interest in defending who i am to you or getting thrown off the topic by you comparing me to people who you may know that try to be individualistic just to be "edgy" or different.
And I would never imagine throwing personal insults at some dude on the internet who i don't know anything about other than he likes to go around into people's threads and be an asshole.
I like to write, discuss, and try and understand how and why other people think the way they do. Edgy?? You can decide that for your own.


Christ, even your fucking quotes on the bottom of each post are from two other assholes! Nothing original in you!


Listen, I'm not pretending to know you. It's actually quite simple to just analyze the crap you wrote, and go from there.

Cliff Notes for you: You're not as fucking smart as you think. You're just a sheep on the other side of the field.


(Not that I know you or anything)



Hey, enjoy the rest of your day, and cheer away for whomever the fuck it is you were told to cheer for by your liberal arts prof!
 

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Christ, even your fucking quotes on the bottom of each post are from two other assholes! Nothing original in you!


Listen, I'm not pretending to know you. It's actually quite simple to just analyze the crap you wrote, and go from there.

Cliff Notes for you: You're not as fucking smart as you think. You're just a sheep on the other side of the field.


(Not that I know you or anything)



Hey, enjoy the rest of your day, and cheer away for whomever the fuck it is you were told to cheer for by your liberal arts prof!

LOL... it's much easier to throw out the personal insults than to discuss the matter at hand, isn't it? I wonder where you learned that tactic.

Liberal arts... Haaahhaaa. That is great. More proof that you know NOTHING about me!
I'd love to meet the dudes who gave you the picture of me that you are painting in your head.

:toast:
 

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LOL... it's much easier to throw out the personal insults than to discuss the matter at hand, isn't it? I wonder where you learned that tactic.

Liberal arts... Haaahhaaa. That is great. More proof that you know NOTHING about me!
I'd love to meet the dudes who gave you the picture of me that you are painting in your head.

:toast:


Look in the mirror, and say hi to the guy who introduced me to you.
 
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