Jan. 2 Day of mourning?

[djv]

I believe they the Senate new numbers were going to be bad. Like 84/16 if history in my old brain is working. And Rebs wanted him to go. It is funny how many of his own did not like him much. With Clinton That feeling didn't seem to be there. And to this day his popular numbers remain higher then either of the Bush's. Of course 43 with Number like 30 is easy pickings.
And I think must Americans understand Clinton sins vs Nixon big difference what tricky Dick approved.

 

[kosar]

I believe they the Senate new numbers were going to be bad. Like 84/16 if history in my old brain is working. And Rebs wanted him to go. It is funny how many of his own did not like him much. With Clinton That feeling didn't seem to be there. And to this day his popular numbers remain higher then either of the Bush's. Of course 43 with Number like 30 is easy pickings.
And I think must Americans understand Clinton sins vs Nixon big difference what tricky Dick approved.

There's your answer, Wayne. DJV saved me a few minutes of typing.

Doesn't really have anything to do with 'integrity' of anybody.

 

[The Sponge]

I won't pretend to know much about presidents and how 'good' they were up until the early 1900's or so, but Carter certainly rates as among the worst, if not *the* worst, in modern times.

Not surprisingly, 'Sponge' vehemently defends him.

I heard Taft was pretty bad too, but who knows. :shrug:

im comparing him to Bush Kosar. The guy sad Carter was the worse by far. If you think he is far worse than Bush, then maybe you should wakeup out of your six year comma. I kinda side with the people who somehow bring our people home alive or do not make decisions that get them tortured and killed.

 

[kosar]

im comparing him to Bush Kosar. The guy sad Carter was the worse by far. If you think he is far worse than Bush, then maybe you should wakeup out of your six year comma. I kinda side with the people who somehow bring our people home alive or do not make decisions that get them tortured and killed.

Bush has made the biggest mistake since Lyndon Johnson and a mistake among the worst in this countrys history.

I'm still not sure if that makes him a 'worse' president overall than Carter.

That might sound weird and maybe we're dealing in nuance, but the whole topic is subjective in nature to begin with.

 

[AR182]

Bush has made the biggest mistake since Lyndon Johnson and a mistake among the worst in this countrys history.

I'm still not sure if that makes him a 'worse' president overall than Carter.

That might sound weird and maybe we're dealing in nuance, but the whole topic is subjective in nature to begin with.

imo,my assessment that carter is the worst president is objective & not subjective.

i have lived through both men as president & i voted for both men.

when carter was president i waited for hours to get gas for my car & witnesssed interest rates in the mid-teens.....& imo carter was a very weak president....& the fact he was a 1 term president makes him a worse president than a 2 term president.

i'm not saying bush is the best president...& imo he has made some major blunders with iraq & immigration...all i'm saying is that carter is the worst president in my life time.

 

[smurphy]

When all is said and done, Carter is a blip on the radar - but Bush is truly horrible. I don't even think it's close. Waiting in line to fuel your car is nothing compared to starting WW3.

There, I've started 2007 by falling in lne with The Sponge. ...It will be a frightening year.

This fkn sucks! Why aren;t I in Vegas? I'm barely gettin my drink on and I'm kicked out of the bars. Reckon I'll have to down my 3 Bass in the fridge and head to the non-alcohol strip bar. I guess this is the "tough love" I've inflicted on myself. Times like this, I wonder why I left sin city.

 

[smurphy]

the fact he was a 1 term president makes him a worse president than a 2 term president.

if dubya ran against reagan you think he would have won? hell, if dubya ran against kerry just a couple months later he would have lost. that 2004 victory of his was no endorsement of his success. he was as lucky with the timing of that election as he was with pretty much everything his entire life.

Bush absolutely 100% sucks. He's worse than Carter, he's worse than anyone.

 

[TonyTT]

A lotta folks forget that FORD even played a key role on the WARREN COMM.
William Sullivan wrote in his memoirs: "Hoover was delighted when FORD was named to the Warren Comm. The director wrote in one of his internal memos that the bureau could expect Ford to 'look after FBI interests' and he did, keeping us fully advised of what went on behind closed doors. He was our man...our informant, on the Warren Comm."
Rep HALE BOGGS, Democrat from La also on the Comm could be relied on to defend the govt of Lee Harvey Oswalds home state, should the need arise. As it turned out that need did not arise, for J Edgar Hoover saw to it that the name of Boggs's chief financial backer and behind-the-scenes power in the state govt , CARLOS MARCELLO, never came up during the commissions deliberations. In fairness to BOGGS he had become skeptical of the FBI investigation and the man who conducted it. Years later a former aid recalled .. "Hale always returned to one thing: Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission...on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends , the bullets, the guns you name it."

source: 'MAFIA KINGFISH" by John H Davis

TT

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Carter hands down the worst in my lifetime.

Could give many reasons but will use one that effected the most u.s. citizens--its called--
"The Economic Misery Index"

I think some might find it interesting that their choice for worse is tit for tat with their king
(7.98 and 7.80 respectively)and Carter being true king of misery with whooping 16.26
Of course we have to give them some slack as they been exposed to the mediabias and Pesosi -"worse economy since great depression" for years now--and have tough time seperating fact from opinion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_Index_(economic)
Misery Index - Era by U.S president
Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High
5 Harry Truman 1948 - 1952 7.87 1952-12 = 3.45 1948-01 = 13.63
1 Dwight Eisenhower 1953 - 1960 6.26 1953-07 = 2.97 1958-04 = 10.98
3 John F. Kennedy 1961 - 1962 7.27 1962-07 = 6.40 1961-07 = 8.38
2 Lyndon Johnson 1963 - 1968 6.78 1965-11 = 5.70 1968-07 = 8.19
7 Richard Nixon 1969 - 1973 9.98 1968-01 = 7.80 1973-12 = 13.61
10 Gerald Ford 1974 - 1976 15.93 1976-12 = 12.66 1975-01 = 19.90
11 Jimmy Carter 1977 - 1980 16.27 1978-04 = 12.60 1980-06 = 21.98
9 Ronald Reagan 1981 - 1988 12.19 1986-12 = 7.70 1981-09 = 19.33
8 George H.W. Bush 1989 - 1992 10.68 1989-09 = 9.64 1990-11 = 12.47
4 William J. Clinton 1993 - 2000 7.80 1998-04 = 5.74 1993-01 = 10.56
6 George W. Bush 2001 - 2005 7.98 2002-01 = 6.64 2005-09 = 9.97

 

[djv]

DTB as you say some times certain things are just not controlled by the Pres.
I do believe Carter was bad and Ford was right behind him.
You can see however the stacked deck Carter was handed. The fall started to high gas and high interest rates last year of Nixon and the two of Fords.
Everyone says Ford not relected lost to Carter because of Pardon Of Nixon. He lost for more then that. And then along came Carter and could not stop the spiral and even made it worse. The combination of those three Nix, Ford , Carter was a killer.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

True DJV but this for benefit of those ranting about economy.

Actual the biggest factor on economy that the U.S. has little control over is price of oil--which was Carters main culprit--however appears the worst economy "since great depression" has thrived despite highest ever.

-can you are anyone think of 1 area Carter was above ave on--PLEASE don't say international negotiations--444 days---

My nominition for 2nd worse in my time would be Bush SR.

 

[StevieD]

Under Carter there was a true shortage of gas. We had to wait in line to get it. Could only get it on certain days and the oil companies did not make windfall profits. I gotta say I really didn't notice any shortage this time around. And the oil companies keep setting profit records every quarter. That is one difference.

 

[gardenweasel]

it`s touching to see the class exhibited by "the moderates" on the forum for a man that didn`t seek the presidency....a man that was basically the only republican that democrats would o.k. to assume the position....

a man that libs crucified for pardoning nixon back when he was a factor......and now that he`s gone, praise for trying to heal the country and bring it back together after watergate.....

what more can you say.....real class..

 

[TonyTT]

Under Carter there was a true shortage of gas. We had to wait in line to get it. Could only get it on certain days and the oil companies did not make windfall profits. I gotta say I really didn't notice any shortage this time around. And the oil companies keep setting profit records every quarter. That is one difference.

Stevie,

The part about oil companies not making windfall profits under Carter...IS NOT TRUE.
In '77 I was a rookie at the STANDARD OIL refinery in Ohio when congress was gonna hit the oil companies with a WINDFALL PROFITS TAX...unless they gave some of those profits to employees. The oil companies came up with a plan called TRASOP...as a young rookie they cut me a $30,000.00 check (which was HUGE back in those days)..I can only imagine what some of the more senior guys got.

TT

 

[StevieD]

Stevie,

The part about oil companies not making windfall profits under Carter...IS NOT TRUE.
In '77 I was a rookie at the STANDARD OIL refinery in Ohio when congress was gonna hit the oil companies with a WINDFALL PROFITS TAX...unless they gave some of those profits to employees. The oil companies came up with a plan called TRASOP...as a yong rookie they cut me a $30,000.00 check (which was HUGE back in those days)..I can only imagine what some of the more senior guys got.

TT

Tony, I just remember the indivisual station owners having a very hard go of it. And the lines and the rationing, indicating that there was a real shortage.

 

[TonyTT]

Yeah Stevie...no doubt about the lines and the rationing. I've been in refining for 31 plus years now at the same refinery, first having been owned by SOHIO (Standard Oil of Ohio) later bought out by BP which was part of the Alaskan pipeline deal, then as they cut back on refining in the mid 90's and concentrated more on exploration we became PREMCOR (owned by the BLACKSTONE GROUP) and now finally VALERO the nations largest refiner. Over the decades I've personally seen these upper management people pull some crap that in my mind would be criminal, but considering who these people are in bed with, they're virtually above the law.
In 2000 when BLACKSTONE brought in the wall street shaker and mover THOMAS O'MALLEY to run our company...he gave a speech to each refinery..and in hind sight he KNEW that the price of oil was gonna skyrocket. Of course that doesn't surprise me considering his boss was PETE PETERSON himself...founder of the BLACKSTONE group...Federal Reserve Chairman of NY..and most importantly Chairman of THE CFR. I strongly disagree with those that say OUR GUYS (mainly the money men) cannot MANIPULATE the PRICE of oil.
TT

 

[StevieD]

Tony, I remember a few months back you called the fall of the price of oil correctly. Since your post I think it had dropped somewhere around 10 to 15dollars a barrel. Of course that hasn't stopped gas prices from inching up at the pumps since the November election.

 

[djv]

Thanks to good weather the warm winter so far. And going back to no big storms in gulf this last hurricane season. Lets not forget we are starting to use 5% ethanol. All of the above helping with gas price.
DTB hostage taken by Iran 30 years ago we got no ware with talks to start . We got no ware with a military that cold not do a raid right. I guess that's all on Carter.
However same thing happens tomorrow. We can't do a thing today either. What are we gong to do if Iran won't talk invade? Of course Bush would invade. And of course about 100 captives would die in process. Along with how many soldiers. But we would prove what? Were tough?
Only thing that got those first hostages home alive was talk. It took time but worked. It's a dame good thing our military strike failed. It was not a good plan and our equipment was getting old.
Im believe many would have died. Then the list of hate Carter would have been even larger.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

any comments from those Bush bashers/clinton supporters--with their #'s being tit for tat?

is amazing considering one inheirited a recession--had 911 rip economy-greatest natuaral disaster of all time--highest ever oil prices--fighting 2 wars simultaneously--and still cut taxes?

Now if anyone still thinks this is worse admin ever--you need to look in mirror and ask yourself if you are capable of objective opinion or a product of liberal logic.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

is amazing considering one inheirited a recession--had 911 rip economy-greatest natuaral disaster of all time--highest ever oil prices--fighting 2 wars simultaneously--and still cut taxes?

Now if anyone still thinks this is worse admin ever--you need to look in mirror and ask yourself if you are capable of objective opinion or a product of liberal logic.

You could almost be taken serioulsy until you threw out the part about "and still cut taxes".

If you encountered a family financial disaster (9/11), had to financially help family members going through financial hardship (natural disaster abroad), had an increase in cost of living (oil price increase), and then decided to cut your source of income (tax cuts), you'd be considered a moron.

Your blind allegiance is admirable, but pathetic.

I must really hate America and our freedom,

-Gary