.. I am merely calling it like I see it. KC is not at fault, yet Jack called him out.
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.. I am merely calling it like I see it. KC is not at fault, yet Jack called him out.
fair enough,bud...but jack didn`t ban k.c...he banned raymond...
i guess that`s not good enough...
maybe if ray chopped a finger off and put it on youtube?.......would that square things?...
/i kid...:toast: ...poor jack...:sadwave:
KC goes pay, Raymond sells everything and donates it to the United Negro College Fund and returns to the Forum a new man.
I am sure one of the 2 will happen
Isn't that how it usually goes? :shrug:
I am sure one of the 2 will happen
Isn't that how it usually goes? :shrug:
panel 23 & 24 both excellent...:142smilie
i love all the guys here:mj06: ..(of course, i set low standards and consistently fail to achieve them)...:thumb:
i love all the guys here:mj06: ..(of course, i set low standards and consistently fail to achieve them)...:thumb:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but this has nothing to do with Ray, and everything to do with Jack allowing Ray to act like a scumbag, then calling out KC for opting out of MJs over Ray's outrageous commentary...
By no means did I attack or insult Jack, I simply disagreed openly with Jack's calling out of KC.
That said, I have mentioned on here in the past that Jack has a tough job. I also agree, for the most part, with Ar's take that Ray placed Jack in a tough spot. The only thing that I do not agree with Ar's take is him referring to Ray as a friend of Jack. Anyone that treated me in the manner that Ray treats Jack, would not be considered a friend to me.....
o.k...but YOU could make jack`s job that much easier by putting guys like ray on "ignore' and letting jack handle the business(which he has done exceedingly well since i`ve been around).....
maybe ray gets drunk and says insensitive things.....from what i`m hearing,he`s having trouble with his business...he`s been here longer than most without much incident(until recently)...
and this last time it looked to be an accidental situation...he didn`t say anything "racist"...but made a stupid comment in a serial thread bump(who knows why)...
hell,we had a guy in political that was reveling in american troop deaths....he stayed...that was jack`s call...i`m not aware of anyone busting his hump over it...
jack doesn`t use the banning stick very often...and not often permanently...and you have to respect the fact that jack and ray have a history...
do we really need thread police cadets telling jack how to run his business?....
cut a brother some slack...
that`s all i`m saying...jack can handle it...
Unfortunately, Jack has not handled Ray so far. That is why you and I are currently going back and forth....
here's what I said in another thread
here's what I said in another thread
which I still think..
I like Ray
here's what I said in another thread
which I still think..
I like Ray
No one should have to leave the forum because of Ray's racism.
Ray should leave.
No, "ignore" is not good enough. I think Jack regrets his "grow a sack" comment and is might be losing his patience with Ray's buffoonery.
We probably all know guys who are otherwise fine people but have streaks of bias or even racism. Calling them out is the job of any decent person.
Thanks for speaking up, Cie Grant. GW, you're a excellent 'capper and, I'm guessing an honorable man. I think you see the real issue here.
J
Ray should leave.
No, "ignore" is not good enough. I think Jack regrets his "grow a sack" comment and is might be losing his patience with Ray's buffoonery.
We probably all know guys who are otherwise fine people but have streaks of bias or even racism. Calling them out is the job of any decent person.
Thanks for speaking up, Cie Grant. GW, you're a excellent 'capper and, I'm guessing an honorable man. I think you see the real issue here.
J
Without much incident, are you serious? The guy is a scum bag. He is an ignorant racist. He has said he lied to the people that bought his service because he was in with the sportsbooks. He is an attention whore who tries to draw newbies to follow him by saying he has inside info, outlaw plays, and other bs. He has erased losing picks from his threads before and he has posted opposite sides of games on different forums. KC Wolf is a class act. Although I think Raymond is an ignorant asshole I dont want him banned forever. He is way too valuable a source to me :mj07:
Not sure how to do that after all these years being a babysitter. I can't win no matter what action I take.
I ban him I take heat, I don't ban him I take heat. Maybe you didn't like my comment to kcwolf and maybe it was an impulse reaction of mine to say what I did, but I can't win no matter what I do.
If I was face to face and in person with Wayne, I would have said the same thing, and if you and he heard me say it and in the tone I said it, neither of you would be insulted, I'm sure.
Now we're really splitting hairs here, IMO.
Thinking back, I now understand that kcwolf was talking about the whole RAYMOND situation over the last few months and not just this one particular incident. I reacted as if it were only this last incident.
Whatever. I hear ya, Cie. Thanks for the honest feedback.
That's why I'm here every day. And I make a conscious effort to save my buffoonery for other venues.
GL
I just don't understand leaving because some drunk guy makes a few off color posts.
Big Fucking deal.
How do people survive in the real world?
Big Fucking deal.
How do people survive in the real world?
so you have a problem with him going pay-fer?...simple answer...don`t pay for it...
you don`t like his gambling acumen?...his comments...simple answer...ignore feature..
let jack hqndle his own business..he has enough on his plate without whiny bints bothering the hell out of him...
time for the dumpster,maybe?...
actually it is a big deal. I'm far from perfect, but that's the kind of thing that keeps racism alive and kicking? Do we really need that?
wow . . . my cyberfrathouse has gone dysfunctional. can't we just do like the old days and go get a beer? i'm confused.
I agree that his words were and are completley inappropriate, but I am not going to let that affect me like it has some. I use this forum to gain an advantage in the betting world, and honestly do not care what some guy i have never met, and never will meet says and thinks about race and politics. I have been using this sight for a couple years, and think that all situations have been handled pretty decently . Racism is something that unfortunantly will always be around regardless if some guy posts comments on a forum or not. Like I said, not appropriate by any means, but lets move on and get back to football......GO VIKINGS
Jack, you did no wrong by me, I sure hope you know that my friend.
I'm a nobody here and happy to a nobody. I'm sorry I seem to have caused a problem. It was never my intention and sure didn't want a big deal made of it. I'm no bigger or above anyone here. I'm many notches below everyone, trust me. It hurts to see Raymond be racist, we have had great times in Vegas together, as with others.
I simply don't care to be a part of a public forum where racism is laughed about and left unchecked. I have many ethnic friends and don't feel honest to myself turning a blind eye to something I'm so against. I called out others in two other forums over the same racism the past few months. It makes me sick as everyone should be.
Blame this whole situatiuon on me and carry on making money. It's not like my picks have been worth anything anyway, the reason I haven't posted for awhile. If I have something worthy to post in the future, I'll post and be around.
Peace to all and show this thread to the dumpster.
Thanks for listiening and as Steve said, have a beer if you drink. My drinking days ended quite awhile now, one the best decisions I ever made. Alcohol and depression ruled my life 2-3 years ago, ending in a suicide attempt. Enuff said about my imagined big ego and the demons I have beaten. If anyone needs help in these areas, I'm willing to help, get my email.
I'm a nobody here and happy to a nobody. I'm sorry I seem to have caused a problem. It was never my intention and sure didn't want a big deal made of it. I'm no bigger or above anyone here. I'm many notches below everyone, trust me. It hurts to see Raymond be racist, we have had great times in Vegas together, as with others.
I simply don't care to be a part of a public forum where racism is laughed about and left unchecked. I have many ethnic friends and don't feel honest to myself turning a blind eye to something I'm so against. I called out others in two other forums over the same racism the past few months. It makes me sick as everyone should be.
Blame this whole situatiuon on me and carry on making money. It's not like my picks have been worth anything anyway, the reason I haven't posted for awhile. If I have something worthy to post in the future, I'll post and be around.
Peace to all and show this thread to the dumpster.
Thanks for listiening and as Steve said, have a beer if you drink. My drinking days ended quite awhile now, one the best decisions I ever made. Alcohol and depression ruled my life 2-3 years ago, ending in a suicide attempt. Enuff said about my imagined big ego and the demons I have beaten. If anyone needs help in these areas, I'm willing to help, get my email.
