Kentucky Derby Horse Info Thread
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A Derby chat with Andy Beyer
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There is enough speed in this race to keep the pace honest?if it turns into a speed duel, and it might, with the presence of some outside speed.
In addition, there is large contingent of pressers which will also help insure an honest pace it might look like a mob charging around the track?.
There are some closers who will have to Bob-and-Weave their way through the traffic which may compromise their chances, aaaah, this is horse racing.
I am playing an exacta and tri box
Pryo
Colonel John
Gayego
Court Vision
Monba
Exacta Box = $20
Tri Box = $60
Good Luck Players. :SIB
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I ran into the owner of Gate Dancer today and he loves the 10 horse. He knows his horses.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Mully, I read your thread, good luck to you too.
I think either the favorites are coming in or it's gonna be boxcars...this is a tough derby (hell, they all are) to try to figure, but the addition of horses running on the synthetics adds one more odd shaped piece to the puzzle....
I am curious as to the condition of the track today. If you saw the Oaks, it was obviously very sloppy...and they ran in a bunch almost all the way around until the winner shook loose in the stretch.
I think that running in a bunch is the way this Derby is going to come off, and the cheap speed petering out on the home turn....
Again, good luck bud...
I think either the favorites are coming in or it's gonna be boxcars...this is a tough derby (hell, they all are) to try to figure, but the addition of horses running on the synthetics adds one more odd shaped piece to the puzzle....
I am curious as to the condition of the track today. If you saw the Oaks, it was obviously very sloppy...and they ran in a bunch almost all the way around until the winner shook loose in the stretch.
I think that running in a bunch is the way this Derby is going to come off, and the cheap speed petering out on the home turn....
Again, good luck bud...
Final bit of Info before the race
Final bit of Info before the race
COOL COAL MAN (#1) appears a major threat at a price and will go a long way towards proving the viability of his sire, Mineshaft, from the ultra-proud A.P. Indy line. Whether Mineshaft is Prince Williami or Harry, however, remains to be seen. The rest of the ?Class X? pedigree is loaded with the right names going back several generations, and the dam herself was a six-figure earner. With Zito training, and wins in the last two dirt efforts, this one appears a major threat from the rail at a price. With good early speed, this one should get a good early stalking position, and a reversion to the final split times earned as a juvenile put this one in contention.
TALE OF EKATI (#2) has a Class A pedigree that would impress anywhere but here. The dam, a $703.00 earner, is not particularly well-bred, even though some top stallions do appear in the lineage. Where it counts, this one?s blood will want the grass, although on an off track you could expect it to move up. The sire, Tale of the Cat, is a lot like Mineshaft in that he may or may not be an evolution to the Storm Cat branch of the Northern Dancer line. The juvenile form is impressive, but around one turn. The last furlong split in the Wood was unimpressive. A good late threat and a winning threat on an off track.
ANAK NAKAL (#3) is poorly bred (Class A) for this contest, and outclassed on the PAP ratings. Zito is the trainer, but even he is up against it this time. Even a duplication of the winning effort in the G2 Kentucky Jockey Club last year would leave this one wanting, and the lack of speed doesn?t even suggest a rabbit. An apparent ego trip for the owner, or a chess piece to keep a stronger contender out on earnings.
COURT VISION (#4) is well-tucked throughout both sides of the Class A pedigree, but the sire, Gulch, lacks punch, despite having thrown Thunder Gulch to win the 1995 running of this event. The unraced dam crosses Storm Cat and Secretariat 1x2, a very strong element, but the sire remains troubling, unless the track comes up sloppy, and we have yet another closing threat. Even with a big late run similar to the one that took the Iroquois over this surface last October, a lot would have to happen to get this one home on top.
EIGHT BELLES (#5) is an absolute blueblood with what may be the strongest pedigree in the race, and definitely the most proven. The $277,550 earned by the dam is no shock, given that she herself was crossed Mr. Prospector to Northern Dancer 2x2, while sire Unbridled?s Song has done his Derby-winning sire (Unbridled, 1990) proud. Her figures are strong, she?s won four in a row, and her mid-Atlantic trainer, J. Larry Jones, is as sharp as anyone in the business. She may not win, but entering her in this spot was correct. She belongs, with or without the ominous 58.1 breeze on Sunday.
Z FORTUNE (#6) was purchased as a yearling for $80,000.00, which reflects the modest pedigree that appears to lean heavily towards slightly shorter distances on the grass. Another wet-track closing threat to join that cavalry charge, the trainer, Steve Asmussen, is certainly capable of winning this race, as he almost did last year with Curlin, but three losses in a row following three wins, at increasing distances, do not bode well, even with the improving figures. Look for this one to menace briefly turning for home before hanging like laundry.
BIG TRUCK (#7) comes from Tagg?s barn, which won with Funny Cide in 2003, but this one is lacking in pedigree, lacking in speed figures, and appears to have a much better future against New York breds that its present. Not expecting much from this one, but neither is the public, and at 50-1 in the morning line, I wouldn?t toss it from the bottom of the exotics, and might consider a few bucks to show as a further backup.
VISIONAIRE ( #8 ) is Michael Matz for Team Valor, and a big anticlimax compared to when he trained Barbaro in 2006. The slop win in the Gotham, as well as the barn, suggest a minor off-track threat, but the pedigree does not impress, as Grand Slam is not prolific at this distance, nor is the damline particularly impressive, as it gets weaker and weaker as you go back more than three generations.
PYRO (#9) is Steve Asmussen?s best threat, and should lead the cavalry charge from the rear as they come down the lane. A son of Pulpit, himself fourth in the 1997 running, this one will shed a lot more light on this branch of the A.P. Indy line (Pulpit?s sire), while the less-impressive dam still traces back to Nearco through Icecapade and 1984 BC Classic winner Wild Again, a nifty tuck into a strong sire line. The juvenile figures are stellar, and were earned around two turns, so this one contends in all important areas for an extremely dangerous barn, with long-overdue props awaiting the aancestors.
COLONEL JOHN (#10) breezed a nifty 57.4 on Sunday, has never run worse than second, and explodes well in the lane for former Baffert assistant Eoin (pronounced OWEN) Harty, a strong new barn in its own right. The one-dimensional running style and rather weak bloodlines on the dam side, plus the relatively benign (for a champion) Tiznow line on the male side, say that this one may find it more difficult than the hype is making it for him. The obvious ?wiseguy? horse would need better DNA credentials and better figures for me to take more seriously, but a definite exotic contender. The dirt workout doesn?t sway me much, as I?ve found that cushion track plays like dirt, so that was no surprise. On the other hand, if the two surfaces play similar, this one will need a sharp improvement to win. Decent chance, but an underlay to round out large exotic tickets.
Z HUMOR (#11) has weaker branches of some very strong bloodlines that suggest modest strength at this distance for Bill Mott, and the modest figures wouldn?t qualify here, except that the best performance came in the dead-heat for the Delta Downs slot-driven juvenile prep which has yet to produce a Kentucky Derby winner, a streak not likely to be broken here, but which was sufficient, due to the inflated purse of that race, to send this one into the lions? den.
SMOOTH AIR (#12) took two of his best shots at Big Brown in the Floridea Derby, and was gaining on him at the wire. Trainer Bernie Stutts has hit the board with this one in all seven starts, and the Class A pedigree shows promise, as new sire Smooth Jazz traces to the Northern Dancer line through Storm Boot/Storm Cat. The damlines are loaded as well, even if the dam was relatively unimpressive. Where this one impresses, aside from looking like he could have won the Florida Derby had the jockey not been prepping, is visually, as we have a horse who can sit patiently in traffic, who responds well to the jock and moves like a chess piece, who can rate the pace patiently in traffic on the rail, and who can make more than one move in a race. Major threat at a major price for a major barn, and a must-box if you like the favorite. I?ll be keying the pair over nine horses in the exacta, and maybe a few across as a backup.
BOB BLACK JACK (#13) is a bit lacking in championship pedigree and even dosage (if that still matters), but has turned in some nice performances on the front end. If this one goes after Big Brown early, the favorite is going to have to prove himself. The breeding experts who speak in forked tongues to those fools who read the past-performances are having a good laugh at what is likely to happen to this one once they turn for home. Let?s just say the pedigree is not there, and neither are the figures, or the pace, despite the impressive ?pace sandwich? trip in the Santa Anita Derby on the cushion-track.
MONBA (#14) represents the Pletcher barn, with a ?throwback? pedigree that is distance-loaded on the damside through damsire Easy Goer. A win from this one would reflect very positively on Easy Goer, who died at age eight with a premature pedigree judgement, but also on his parents, Alydar and Relaxing (who beat the boys at Aqueduct in 1983), thought at the time to be a ?supercouple.? The sire line traces to Raise A Native/Native Dancer through some Class A branches, but could evolve to Class X. The barn makes this one dangerous, as does the juvenile form, but if this is a late-bloomer who needs more distance, the Belmont may be this one?s destiny. A definite superfecta threat at a price who figures to be going well at the wire.
ADRIANO (#15) is dangerous for a dangerous barn. Although the dam did not do much, the Class X pedigree has all the right names in all the right places, as this one crosses A.P. Indy and Mr. Prospector 1x2, while incorporating the Secretariat and Northern Dancer lines as damside influences, a well-known nick. A threat on any surface, the Lane?s End winner may have a lot more in the tank than we?ve seen here, as a Derby campaign was hardly obvious based on the juvenile form, which suggests that the barn knows something that we?re about to find out. Don?t toss this one, as he?ll be very strong in the final quarter for an outfit that has already won big races at a price, such as with Better Talk Now at 25-1 in the BC Turf a few years back.
DENIS OF CORK (#16) comes from a few unproven branches of Class X lines, but the damlines indicate that evolution of those lines is unlikely. Unless a mountain of recessive DNA suddenly asserts itself on Saturday, this one is simply too inexperienced and too weak in the pedigree to take seriously here, as he is simply outclassed. Running up the track in the Illinois Derby hardly inspires confidence that the sky is still the limit for this previously unbeaten colt. Only major upside is the debut win at $23.00 over this surface last fall, but that?s a long way from capturing this landmark. Toss.
COWBOY CAL (#17) spawns from the newly dominant Giant?s Causeway evolution to the Northern Dancer line (with Blushing Groom tucked on Giant?s Causeway?s damside through damsire Rahy), and with some very nice tucks of Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer through the unraced dam, Texas Tammy, whose dam, Hot Novel, banked over $377,000 in her career. Huge Class X pedigree threat did not impress in the dirt debut at Saratoga, but that is not fatal. Pletcher has had this one on the grass, with the final prep on the front end in the Blue Grass, a near-miss for the win. Figures are a bit weak, and the favorite is going to make the front end very hostile, but this one might help to set it up for the closers. A win would cement the sire as one of, if not the, best in the world, but more likely an also-ran, and not likely a price to justify any major risk in the top spot.
RECAPTURE THE GLORY (#18) extends the Class X Blushing Groom line through sire Cherokee Run and grandsire, 1982 Travers winner Runaway Groom.Distance won?t be a problem here, as confirmed by the final furlong in 12.12 in the last win on the front end. What will be a problem is class, and while the pedigree is impressive, it is hardly unbeatable, even with the many desirable damside influences. This race will show whether or not the Cherokee Run branch of this world-class bloodline is Class A or Class X, and if it?s the latter, the pace will be even stronger than most expect, as this one will take a bit longer to quit than one might think, yet quit he probably will, very late, and only grudgingly, yet this still may not be enough to hit the board. Dangerous if ignored.
GAYEGO (#19) is trailer-trash compared to the rival pedigrees (easily the worst of the bunch), does not qualify on dosge, and should not improve with the extra distance. His impressive five-start career (never worse than second) only further evidences a distance preference that stops a bit short of ten furlongs. While this one is talented enough to win, a more likely destiny for this race is to ensure a strong early pace that tests the favorite, before bowing out somewhere on the far turn.
BIG BROWN (#20) is the path through which the winner will travel, and may very well win this one himself. Trainer Richard Dutrow has placed this one in the verboten outside post to avoid traffic, which means he believes he has far and away the best horse, and perhaps that the ?betting barn? wants a price. Last summer, I dismissed him as a Class 2 in his turf debut win (by a pole) due to his sire, Boundary, having not impressed me, but now it appears that this twig of the Danzig branch has been confirmed Class X, and that this may be what evolves the Northern Dancer line after all. With a PAP rating of 130, the nation?s best trainer, and a superstar pedigree, the burden is on the others to show they can run with him. Odds are they can?t, but if anyone can, it?s Smooth Air (#12). For the remainder, Eight Belles (#5), Pyro (#9), Adriano (#15), or maybe Big Truck (#7) in a shocker, and throw in Colonel John (#10) in case he?s the real deal and the Florida pair is not. If this were the third at Belmont, Big Brown would be 4-5?and win by a dozen. Here you might get 2-1! Smooth Air is an excellent straight bet as well, as is the exacta box, key both over the next four (or nine!), and the tri and 10-cent super with the same pair, if you really want to try for some cash.
Final bit of Info before the race
COOL COAL MAN (#1) appears a major threat at a price and will go a long way towards proving the viability of his sire, Mineshaft, from the ultra-proud A.P. Indy line. Whether Mineshaft is Prince Williami or Harry, however, remains to be seen. The rest of the ?Class X? pedigree is loaded with the right names going back several generations, and the dam herself was a six-figure earner. With Zito training, and wins in the last two dirt efforts, this one appears a major threat from the rail at a price. With good early speed, this one should get a good early stalking position, and a reversion to the final split times earned as a juvenile put this one in contention.
TALE OF EKATI (#2) has a Class A pedigree that would impress anywhere but here. The dam, a $703.00 earner, is not particularly well-bred, even though some top stallions do appear in the lineage. Where it counts, this one?s blood will want the grass, although on an off track you could expect it to move up. The sire, Tale of the Cat, is a lot like Mineshaft in that he may or may not be an evolution to the Storm Cat branch of the Northern Dancer line. The juvenile form is impressive, but around one turn. The last furlong split in the Wood was unimpressive. A good late threat and a winning threat on an off track.
ANAK NAKAL (#3) is poorly bred (Class A) for this contest, and outclassed on the PAP ratings. Zito is the trainer, but even he is up against it this time. Even a duplication of the winning effort in the G2 Kentucky Jockey Club last year would leave this one wanting, and the lack of speed doesn?t even suggest a rabbit. An apparent ego trip for the owner, or a chess piece to keep a stronger contender out on earnings.
COURT VISION (#4) is well-tucked throughout both sides of the Class A pedigree, but the sire, Gulch, lacks punch, despite having thrown Thunder Gulch to win the 1995 running of this event. The unraced dam crosses Storm Cat and Secretariat 1x2, a very strong element, but the sire remains troubling, unless the track comes up sloppy, and we have yet another closing threat. Even with a big late run similar to the one that took the Iroquois over this surface last October, a lot would have to happen to get this one home on top.
EIGHT BELLES (#5) is an absolute blueblood with what may be the strongest pedigree in the race, and definitely the most proven. The $277,550 earned by the dam is no shock, given that she herself was crossed Mr. Prospector to Northern Dancer 2x2, while sire Unbridled?s Song has done his Derby-winning sire (Unbridled, 1990) proud. Her figures are strong, she?s won four in a row, and her mid-Atlantic trainer, J. Larry Jones, is as sharp as anyone in the business. She may not win, but entering her in this spot was correct. She belongs, with or without the ominous 58.1 breeze on Sunday.
Z FORTUNE (#6) was purchased as a yearling for $80,000.00, which reflects the modest pedigree that appears to lean heavily towards slightly shorter distances on the grass. Another wet-track closing threat to join that cavalry charge, the trainer, Steve Asmussen, is certainly capable of winning this race, as he almost did last year with Curlin, but three losses in a row following three wins, at increasing distances, do not bode well, even with the improving figures. Look for this one to menace briefly turning for home before hanging like laundry.
BIG TRUCK (#7) comes from Tagg?s barn, which won with Funny Cide in 2003, but this one is lacking in pedigree, lacking in speed figures, and appears to have a much better future against New York breds that its present. Not expecting much from this one, but neither is the public, and at 50-1 in the morning line, I wouldn?t toss it from the bottom of the exotics, and might consider a few bucks to show as a further backup.
VISIONAIRE ( #8 ) is Michael Matz for Team Valor, and a big anticlimax compared to when he trained Barbaro in 2006. The slop win in the Gotham, as well as the barn, suggest a minor off-track threat, but the pedigree does not impress, as Grand Slam is not prolific at this distance, nor is the damline particularly impressive, as it gets weaker and weaker as you go back more than three generations.
PYRO (#9) is Steve Asmussen?s best threat, and should lead the cavalry charge from the rear as they come down the lane. A son of Pulpit, himself fourth in the 1997 running, this one will shed a lot more light on this branch of the A.P. Indy line (Pulpit?s sire), while the less-impressive dam still traces back to Nearco through Icecapade and 1984 BC Classic winner Wild Again, a nifty tuck into a strong sire line. The juvenile figures are stellar, and were earned around two turns, so this one contends in all important areas for an extremely dangerous barn, with long-overdue props awaiting the aancestors.
COLONEL JOHN (#10) breezed a nifty 57.4 on Sunday, has never run worse than second, and explodes well in the lane for former Baffert assistant Eoin (pronounced OWEN) Harty, a strong new barn in its own right. The one-dimensional running style and rather weak bloodlines on the dam side, plus the relatively benign (for a champion) Tiznow line on the male side, say that this one may find it more difficult than the hype is making it for him. The obvious ?wiseguy? horse would need better DNA credentials and better figures for me to take more seriously, but a definite exotic contender. The dirt workout doesn?t sway me much, as I?ve found that cushion track plays like dirt, so that was no surprise. On the other hand, if the two surfaces play similar, this one will need a sharp improvement to win. Decent chance, but an underlay to round out large exotic tickets.
Z HUMOR (#11) has weaker branches of some very strong bloodlines that suggest modest strength at this distance for Bill Mott, and the modest figures wouldn?t qualify here, except that the best performance came in the dead-heat for the Delta Downs slot-driven juvenile prep which has yet to produce a Kentucky Derby winner, a streak not likely to be broken here, but which was sufficient, due to the inflated purse of that race, to send this one into the lions? den.
SMOOTH AIR (#12) took two of his best shots at Big Brown in the Floridea Derby, and was gaining on him at the wire. Trainer Bernie Stutts has hit the board with this one in all seven starts, and the Class A pedigree shows promise, as new sire Smooth Jazz traces to the Northern Dancer line through Storm Boot/Storm Cat. The damlines are loaded as well, even if the dam was relatively unimpressive. Where this one impresses, aside from looking like he could have won the Florida Derby had the jockey not been prepping, is visually, as we have a horse who can sit patiently in traffic, who responds well to the jock and moves like a chess piece, who can rate the pace patiently in traffic on the rail, and who can make more than one move in a race. Major threat at a major price for a major barn, and a must-box if you like the favorite. I?ll be keying the pair over nine horses in the exacta, and maybe a few across as a backup.
BOB BLACK JACK (#13) is a bit lacking in championship pedigree and even dosage (if that still matters), but has turned in some nice performances on the front end. If this one goes after Big Brown early, the favorite is going to have to prove himself. The breeding experts who speak in forked tongues to those fools who read the past-performances are having a good laugh at what is likely to happen to this one once they turn for home. Let?s just say the pedigree is not there, and neither are the figures, or the pace, despite the impressive ?pace sandwich? trip in the Santa Anita Derby on the cushion-track.
MONBA (#14) represents the Pletcher barn, with a ?throwback? pedigree that is distance-loaded on the damside through damsire Easy Goer. A win from this one would reflect very positively on Easy Goer, who died at age eight with a premature pedigree judgement, but also on his parents, Alydar and Relaxing (who beat the boys at Aqueduct in 1983), thought at the time to be a ?supercouple.? The sire line traces to Raise A Native/Native Dancer through some Class A branches, but could evolve to Class X. The barn makes this one dangerous, as does the juvenile form, but if this is a late-bloomer who needs more distance, the Belmont may be this one?s destiny. A definite superfecta threat at a price who figures to be going well at the wire.
ADRIANO (#15) is dangerous for a dangerous barn. Although the dam did not do much, the Class X pedigree has all the right names in all the right places, as this one crosses A.P. Indy and Mr. Prospector 1x2, while incorporating the Secretariat and Northern Dancer lines as damside influences, a well-known nick. A threat on any surface, the Lane?s End winner may have a lot more in the tank than we?ve seen here, as a Derby campaign was hardly obvious based on the juvenile form, which suggests that the barn knows something that we?re about to find out. Don?t toss this one, as he?ll be very strong in the final quarter for an outfit that has already won big races at a price, such as with Better Talk Now at 25-1 in the BC Turf a few years back.
DENIS OF CORK (#16) comes from a few unproven branches of Class X lines, but the damlines indicate that evolution of those lines is unlikely. Unless a mountain of recessive DNA suddenly asserts itself on Saturday, this one is simply too inexperienced and too weak in the pedigree to take seriously here, as he is simply outclassed. Running up the track in the Illinois Derby hardly inspires confidence that the sky is still the limit for this previously unbeaten colt. Only major upside is the debut win at $23.00 over this surface last fall, but that?s a long way from capturing this landmark. Toss.
COWBOY CAL (#17) spawns from the newly dominant Giant?s Causeway evolution to the Northern Dancer line (with Blushing Groom tucked on Giant?s Causeway?s damside through damsire Rahy), and with some very nice tucks of Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer through the unraced dam, Texas Tammy, whose dam, Hot Novel, banked over $377,000 in her career. Huge Class X pedigree threat did not impress in the dirt debut at Saratoga, but that is not fatal. Pletcher has had this one on the grass, with the final prep on the front end in the Blue Grass, a near-miss for the win. Figures are a bit weak, and the favorite is going to make the front end very hostile, but this one might help to set it up for the closers. A win would cement the sire as one of, if not the, best in the world, but more likely an also-ran, and not likely a price to justify any major risk in the top spot.
RECAPTURE THE GLORY (#18) extends the Class X Blushing Groom line through sire Cherokee Run and grandsire, 1982 Travers winner Runaway Groom.Distance won?t be a problem here, as confirmed by the final furlong in 12.12 in the last win on the front end. What will be a problem is class, and while the pedigree is impressive, it is hardly unbeatable, even with the many desirable damside influences. This race will show whether or not the Cherokee Run branch of this world-class bloodline is Class A or Class X, and if it?s the latter, the pace will be even stronger than most expect, as this one will take a bit longer to quit than one might think, yet quit he probably will, very late, and only grudgingly, yet this still may not be enough to hit the board. Dangerous if ignored.
GAYEGO (#19) is trailer-trash compared to the rival pedigrees (easily the worst of the bunch), does not qualify on dosge, and should not improve with the extra distance. His impressive five-start career (never worse than second) only further evidences a distance preference that stops a bit short of ten furlongs. While this one is talented enough to win, a more likely destiny for this race is to ensure a strong early pace that tests the favorite, before bowing out somewhere on the far turn.
BIG BROWN (#20) is the path through which the winner will travel, and may very well win this one himself. Trainer Richard Dutrow has placed this one in the verboten outside post to avoid traffic, which means he believes he has far and away the best horse, and perhaps that the ?betting barn? wants a price. Last summer, I dismissed him as a Class 2 in his turf debut win (by a pole) due to his sire, Boundary, having not impressed me, but now it appears that this twig of the Danzig branch has been confirmed Class X, and that this may be what evolves the Northern Dancer line after all. With a PAP rating of 130, the nation?s best trainer, and a superstar pedigree, the burden is on the others to show they can run with him. Odds are they can?t, but if anyone can, it?s Smooth Air (#12). For the remainder, Eight Belles (#5), Pyro (#9), Adriano (#15), or maybe Big Truck (#7) in a shocker, and throw in Colonel John (#10) in case he?s the real deal and the Florida pair is not. If this were the third at Belmont, Big Brown would be 4-5?and win by a dozen. Here you might get 2-1! Smooth Air is an excellent straight bet as well, as is the exacta box, key both over the next four (or nine!), and the tri and 10-cent super with the same pair, if you really want to try for some cash.
Just saw Dutrow being interviewed about Big Brown, the interviewer said, "We hear you are going to bet $100,000 on Big Brown, tell us is that all to win, or do you have it spread out on exactas and stuff?"
Dutrow, "I've decided I'm not going to bet." Wow, wonder why the change of mind? Then again, $100,000 is a big nut for anybody....:scared
Dutrow, "I've decided I'm not going to bet." Wow, wonder why the change of mind? Then again, $100,000 is a big nut for anybody....:scared
Well, I threw him out, didn't think he had enough experience....looks like the REAL DEAL..... :yup
Now we have an unbeaten horse going into the Preakness... Hmmmmm
Now we have an unbeaten horse going into the Preakness... Hmmmmm
Thanks for this write up read it this morning and loved Big Brown. After reading threw out a few and went with 20 over the 5, 9.12 hit the exacta. Look forward to the write up for Preakness. Thanks again
