Lance Armstrong

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BTW Saint, Look up $$ given to Livestrong,
none used for research.
Lance should be indited for Fraud, as monies given
him BY USPS, conditioned on riding clean.
As always, people read only what they believe supports their opinions. He has made upwards of 100 Million trading on cheating. Treated team members like shit if they did not follow him like
good little liars. If it is team cycling, how many teammates can you name?
Screw the everyone else was doing it excuse.
because of endless funding, team had best chemists,
procedures than anyone.
Forgiveness is one thing, but absolution? NEVER!!
P.S. There will never be fraud case, too many
prosecutors, legislators and judicial asskissers have
Lance & themselves photo(s) sitting in their taxpayer
funded ostentatious offices.
Lance is a BIG moon1
 

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Dan Wetzel at yahoo.............


So here are some of the questions we hope Oprah asked Lance:

1. Why now, Lance? Is it because in one potential perjury case the statute of limitations has passed? Is it because you've already lost almost all your sponsors, had to step back from your foundation and are no longer getting the attention you once earned?

Did you have to lose nearly everything until you sought the only possible out? And at this point, why are you worth listening to at all?

2. Why are you doing this with me, Oprah Winfrey? I'm not known for my cycling knowledge or for pointed follow-up questions or my investigative journalistic skills. In fact, it's the opposite.

Wouldn't sitting down with Scott Pelley at "60 Minutes" have been a more legitimate forum? How about the Sunday Times of London, which you sued for libel for printing the truth? Or any of the French or American media that you bashed all along when in fact they weren't wrong at all?

You always fashioned yourself as a tough guy, Lance. You beat cancer for crying out loud, why go soft now?

3. Let's talk Betsy Andreu, the wife of one your former teammates, Frankie. Both Andreus testified under oath that they were in a hospital room in 1996 when you admitted to a doctor to using EPO, HGH and steroids. You responded by calling them "vindictive, bitter, vengeful and jealous." And that's the stuff we can say on TV.

Armstrong (yellow) rides down the Champs Elysees next to Frankie Andreu in the 1999 Tour de France. (AP)Would you now label them as "honest"?

And what would you say directly to Betsy, who dealt with a voicemail from one of your henchmen that included, she's testified, this:

"I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head. I also hope that one day you have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy that will ? definitely make an impact on you."

When you heard about that voicemail, why didn't you call Betsy and apologize then?

4. By the way, did you take performance-enhancing drugs prior to your diagnosis of testicular cancer, as Betsy Andreu, who I now have every single reason to believe, says you admitted to doing? Do you think it played a role in your diagnosis?

And while the reason you contracted cancer does nothing to diminish the intensity of your battle, or the great example of strength it provided, don't you think it would've been an essential part of your public campaign against the disease to mention that you used performance-enhancing drugs?

5. Just to get it on the record, because the way things are going I'm pretty sure this will come out at a later date, did you or your minions ever pressure federal authorities to stall out investigations into your doping?

Now, you wouldn't lie to me, right, Lance?



[Related: Lance Armstrong's fall from grace one of 2012's top sports stories]


6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?

In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."

Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.

She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.

"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."

Do you want to apologize to her? Not in general. I mean directly and by name. I mean, Lance, of all the people to attack like that, of all the people you had power and wealth over, you had to go after her? How Lance, could you do this to someone, and why would anyone want to believe again in someone capable of doing this to someone?

7. In 2011, former teammate Tyler Hamilton spoke about you and doping on "60 Minutes." He later said you two ran into each other in a Colorado restaurant where he says you tried to intimidate him, saying, "I'm going to make your life a living hell both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom."

Yet you knew he was telling the truth, right Lance? So why threaten him?

8. Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour de France champion, once raised the following hypothetical question: "If Lance's story is true, it's the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If it's not, it's the greatest fraud."

The allegation is that you heard that and decided to use your influence with Trek bikes to drop its association with LeMond's brand. The company even went to court to end a long-term contract. "Greg's public comments hurt the LeMond brand and the Trek brand," a company official said at the time.

What comment? Wondering about something that was true?

The move cost LeMond millions. Did you try to ruin him financially simply for spite?

9. We've just scratched the surface on people you pushed around. There are more victims in your wake. Do you want me to continue with the others?
 

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dontcha just love a feeding frenzy?....

given the fact that asswipes like jeremy schaap(who was born to the birthright of "sports lournalist"..tough life) and the great jim gray(who`s main claim to fame is being an annoying prick to real athletes and who`s biggest athletic accomplishment was probably learning to microwave a frozen burrito) seem to be salivating at the chance to tear armstrong a new one,i`m a little uncomfortable with this entire clusterfuck......

and if he misappropriated any of the funds that went to Livestrong,i guarantee you that every cub reporter/investigative journalist wannabe will be lined up by the thousands to cash in on that career maker......and every prosecutor, legislator and judicial asskisser will be looking to cash in,too....that`s the easy thing to do....the guy is a pariah...nothing noble or tough about that....get in line if you feel appalled and offended..make your bones...

theres nothing bold or cutting edge about tearing this guy down..he`s low hanging fruit ....


btw..let me shock everybody...doping is pretty much widespread through almost all sports and everyone knows it....the age of the athlete has ended.... we are now in the age of the artificially manufactured competitor.....anybody need smelling salts?

i wonder how many think that clemens/bonds and mcguire should get in the hof after a few years?.....they had people testify against them...everybody knows they`re as guilty as armstrong....should we go after them financially?...haven`t they defrauded people?

did armstrong destroy himself?...apparently so....guess we`ll see tomorrow...unfortunately(fortunately for me) i`ve never watched oprah(since she left local t.v. in b`more...not into psychobabble)...and i don`t intend to start now so i`ll have to read the transcripts....

sad for 1 percenter oprah(don`t we all hate her for that?) that she only gets to add one more to her collection(instead of two)....
 

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who`s biggest athletic accomplishment was probably learning to microwave a frozen burrito)

You laugh, but that's actually not the easiest thing in the world to do satisfactorily. If Jim Gray has mastered it, he deserves at least a golf clap.
 

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Many ways to look at it. Could say: Lance Armstrong is a gold medalist past the wet dreams of Mark Spitz:

1) best cyclist year after year after year x X
2) best illegal-drug masker
3) best liar/bullier of those who know his secret
4) best money-raiser based off mastery of 1-3.

The guy wins at everything he does, and he does it all with aggressive aplomb - and one nad tied behind his back.
 

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Just as poker cards are but a means for testing men's ability to read their fellows, bike raciing is just a means for demonstrating superiority at manipulating blood chemistry.
 

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It's not emotion based, it's logic based.

Did you poll those who gave the 400 million to see if they felt it was 'swindled'? No, you didn't. YOU made an emotional assumption. Did that money go into cancer research, etc? Yes. So, the PREMISE was false, but the money still went towards what people intended it to. Donations weren't given to buy Lance a vacation home. They were given to help with cancer in general.
Where's the negative there? The motivation to give may have been to support a false premise (lance is a hero) but the act of giving was still the same regardless.

The end result of the latter is that children were raped and have a life of turmoil for them and their families.


GREAT comparison you yahoo.

BTW have you turned on any media lately? Internet, TV, sports radio...Lance is being vilified and destroyed right now. Man you are such a homer it's unreal.

What I'm getting at is -
When Paterno did it, an entire city and community was punished. We had parades in the streets of the moral authority BEFORE any type of jurisdiction and investigation was done.

What Armstrong fucks up, and let's be real with ourselves, the magnitude of this fuck up is on the same level. Did I say it did teh same damage to an individual victim? No. I am saying that the MAGNITUDE of this case is on the same level...
So when armstrong fucks up, and here the guy is now trying to tell us that he did use some kind of drug.. we are solely focused on him. And we haven't hung him up on a pole yet and burned him at the stake.

So we can say that paterno covered things up in order to protect and support his football players. And people down the line are punished.

Armstrong covered things up to raise money to kinda sorta maybe some of it got used for cancer research, but that is different. That's cancer. So it's not as bad of a lie because he was doing it for a good cause.

When I see the US Cycling team shut down for a few years an unallowed to compete in events, I'll perhaps start to believe that there is some single shred of decency in this disaster we call society and punishments are consistent.
 

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Marine is still trying to compare the Armstrong situation to Penn State protecting a child molester.

Unreal:facepalm:
 

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Marine is still trying to compare the Armstrong situation to Penn State protecting a child molester.

Unreal:facepalm:

You're right - I should be comparing him to a massive Ponzi Scheme that sucks hundreds of millions of dollars out of people, right?

Look, I get you, you get all wound up about child molestation. Most of us do. Take two steps back and stop and realize that there are things going on that share similarities. Are they exactly the same with the details? Nope.

Are a lot of the process and actions and events leading to this culmination that are very similar? Hell yes.
 

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Only you would even think about comparing it to the PSU situation.

Only you:facepalm:

The fact that you would even think about bringing up Paterno protecting a child molester with Lance Armstrong just shows how incredibly warped your thinking is.

Marine hears about Lance Armstrong situation and says......"hey let's compare this with the PSU situation"!

Yeah that sounds logical.

Your mind is warped, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I mean seriously how fucked up is your thinking to even think about comparing this situation to the PSU incidents. How this would even pop into your mind is sickening.

Again, you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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Only you would even think about comparing it to the PSU situation.

Only you:facepalm:

The fact that you would even think about bringing up Paterno protecting a child molester with Lance Armstrong just shows how incredibly warped your thinking is.

Marine hears about Lance Armstrong situation and says......"hey let's compare this with the PSU situation"!

Yeah that sounds logical.

Your mind is warped, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I mean seriously how fucked up is your thinking to even think about comparing this situation to the PSU incidents. How this would even pop into your mind is sickening.

Again, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Because this quote - is exactly what they said about paterno. For you NOT to see that is unbelievable.

?Armstrong could exercise unbelievable influence if he wanted to ? to damage your business interests, or destroy your character,? Walsh said. ?He was a formidable and very dangerous enemy, Lance, and he didn?t mind using his power to destroy other people.?
 

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this is very bad timing for me...i`m way overextended in "garishly colored spandex" stocks........

imfek...any big parades pending in the `frisco area?....
 

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this is very bad timing for me...i`m way overextended in "garishly colored spandex" stocks........

imfek...any big parades pending in the `frisco area?....

Weasie you have never witnessed anything like Gay Pride Parade in San Fran ... I have been to 2 conventions that were at the same time and you should see the looks and comments from 30,000 librarians there at the same time :scared
 

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Weasie you have never witnessed anything like Gay Pride Parade in San Fran ... I have been to 2 conventions that were at the same time and you should see the looks and comments from 30,000 librarians there at the same time :scared

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Weasie you have never witnessed anything like Gay Pride Parade in San Fran ... I have been to 2 conventions that were at the same time and you should see the looks and comments from 30,000 librarians there at the same time :scared

i hear you,partner....i sense a certain wistful tone in your post....allow me to transport you back to that magical place in time......


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