I knew FDC would chime in since this is very near and dear to his heart (and his pocketbook, what up FDC!) it?s near and dear to mine as well however my prism is from the customer perspective. One thing I wanted to point out is this does not affect everyone if you have status on an airline then the fee is waived. In other words for you folks who travel 1-2 times a year be prepared for the extra cost and I agree with FDC if you don?t like it?don?t fly. What most people do not realize is the big airlines do not make money ANY profit on domestic routes and the ones that cater specifically to domestic routes made some fantastic business decisions (also a gamble) by hedging on fuel options and that is the only reason they are still afloat today but those options do not last forever. The airlines that I have worked with typically offer the lower rate buckets to compete on certain routes, if there is not any competition the fares are expensive (again it?s called capitalism). With some research and creative routing you can keep things reasonable. I for one don?t mind because I would love to see the airline industry get away from the ?Greyhound of the skies? mentality to weed out the meek and rookie travelers. Think about it from a business perspective what type of customer would you charge extra fees ? the one who fly?s 1-2 times a year or the one who buys last minute tickets for 2-3x the lower fare every week?
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On my flight on Copa Airlines last week from San Jose to Panama City, the drinks were free and they even served a nice hot snack and this was only an hour and 15 minute flight. Copa is a former subsidiary of Continental with a very high high customer satisfaction rating and over 90% on time performance record.
I find it incredible that everyone is complaining about a $15 charge for a bag. Where were all of you when the aforementioned airlines were shipping all the good paying jobs overseas, or when the CEO's took 380 million dollar bonuses after taking a loss on the year.
I find it incredible that people think they have the God given right to fly to Vegas or where ever for $45 when we are paying $130 a barrel for oil and outrageous fuel costs. Landing fees that exceed $50 per airplane in NY and LA, surcharges and taxes that account for more than 33% of your ticket price and you complain about the airline.
Does anyone realize that the price of a ticket from Chicago to Texas in reality should exceed $300 each way in order for the airlines to turn a profit. Whats more does anyone realize that many tax paying citizens, well over 300,000, are employed by those airlines and do everything they can to make your trip as comfortable and safe as possible.
You want to bitch then call the White House!!! Tell them to regulate, tell them to quit scheduling 102 departures per hour at LGA when it is physically impossible to do as they can only handle 72. It isn't the airlines that are screwing you its the government taxing and surcharging along with fuel prices.
Why is it that all citizens feel that they deserve the right to make and turn a profit in order to pay their employees a fair wage so they too can afford to live without taking a second job and busting their ass for 90 hours a damn week just to make ends meet.
Just for a little inside info for all of you, I work for the airlines and my salary is 70.09% behind what it should have been at this time taking into consideration inflation, concessions, no pay raise in ten years, loss of vacation and sick time, loss of overtime, layoffs by the thousands and you can't stand the horribly impossible $15 charge but not a single fuhkin one of you would hesitate for one second to raise the price of your service if your operating costs increased by more that 200% in a fiscal year.
For chrissakes have any of you stopped flying? No. Have any of you had a thought about those in the industry that are struggling with the fact the the job they have held for twenty years will soon be gone along with the pension that they have been paying into for the same? Hell no.
IF you don't want to pay it, don't. Stay the fuhk home or drive and pay for the damn gas yourself. Doesn't change a fuhking thing for us we are up shits creek because of the wonderful idea of deregulation.
The government allowing airlines to operate for more than ten years under bankruptcy (See America West, US Airways, Continental, Northwest to name a few) and due to the fact that they do not have to contribute to their pension funds to the tune of 600 million a year because they all abrogated theirs to the PBGC and your taxes are paying their pensions, but now worry they only get 30% of what is actually owed to those men and women that gave 25 years of service to the industry that gets you to the casino in an hour and a half so you can throw away far more than fifteen fuhkin bucks.
I am really sorry about the mean old airlines trying to make a fuhkin profit I will say something to Arpey when I see him. In the meantime I have to go to my second job. Unbelievable how fuhkin insensitive and ignorant the public is.
And damn right this subject pisses me off
While I realize everyone has the right to not like something and voice their opinion as I just did mine, what you DON'T have a RIGHT to is to go from ST. Louis to Vegas for $45. If yo ufind that fare then great if you dont then tough shit
FatDaddy:
I am NOT in the airline industry, but I do fly 40 trips a year.
I strongly applaud your comments. For the life of me, I haven't understood why airlines haven't significantly raised prices. It seems to be a terrible pricing model they use. Sure, some industries have a few products they use as loss leaders - but the airlines appear that want to use EVERY product (route) as a loss leader. That doesn't work very well.
Southwest really screwed up the airline industry. Everybody is trying to match them in price, and airlines have squeezed every available expense out of their model. They've even thrown everything that isn't absolutely necessary off the plane, in an effort to save fuel. It is certainly understandable.
But you are right on one thing: it is used to be "special" to have an airline trip. People viewed it that way and behaved themselves that way. Now people feel they have a right to fly anywhere at anytime. Which is fine: but why do people expect to do so at 1980's prices? Especially when fuel costs have skyrocketed as they have?
I wish all the airlnes would get together and say "F**K Southwest" and raise their prices in unison - say 100%. Pay the people that work at the airlines appropriately. Bring back real service on the airplanes.
If they did so, it would result in:
1. A better flight experience for all - happier employees and less crowded planes. Nothing is worse than being stuffed into a completely filled plane (which happens almost every flight today).
2. Yes, some people will only be able to make 1 vacation a year instead of 2 or 3. But I'll bet that one vacation will be much more enjoyable.
I'm a lucky one - flying out of Milwaukee I get to fly Midwest Airlines all the time. If anyone gets the chance to fly them, please do. It is night and day different than any airline you've flown on.
Anywho - enough of this rant - but FDC, I do agree with your sentiments 100%.
Right on fatdaddlycool!! :SIBI find it incredible that everyone is complaining about a $15 charge for a bag. Where were all of you when the aforementioned airlines were shipping all the good paying jobs overseas, or when the CEO's took 380 million dollar bonuses after taking a loss on the year.
I find it incredible that people think they have the God given right to fly to Vegas or where ever for $45 when we are paying $130 a barrel for oil and outrageous fuel costs. Landing fees that exceed $50 per airplane in NY and LA, surcharges and taxes that account for more than 33% of your ticket price and you complain about the airline.
Does anyone realize that the price of a ticket from Chicago to Texas in reality should exceed $300 each way in order for the airlines to turn a profit. Whats more does anyone realize that many tax paying citizens, well over 300,000, are employed by those airlines and do everything they can to make your trip as comfortable and safe as possible.
You want to bitch then call the White House!!! Tell them to regulate, tell them to quit scheduling 102 departures per hour at LGA when it is physically impossible to do as they can only handle 72. It isn't the airlines that are screwing you its the government taxing and surcharging along with fuel prices.
Why is it that all citizens feel that they deserve the right to make and turn a profit in order to pay their employees a fair wage so they too can afford to live without taking a second job and busting their ass for 90 hours a damn week just to make ends meet.
Just for a little inside info for all of you, I work for the airlines and my salary is 70.09% behind what it should have been at this time taking into consideration inflation, concessions, no pay raise in ten years, loss of vacation and sick time, loss of overtime, layoffs by the thousands and you can't stand the horribly impossible $15 charge but not a single fuhkin one of you would hesitate for one second to raise the price of your service if your operating costs increased by more that 200% in a fiscal year.
For chrissakes have any of you stopped flying? No. Have any of you had a thought about those in the industry that are struggling with the fact the the job they have held for twenty years will soon be gone along with the pension that they have been paying into for the same? Hell no.
IF you don't want to pay it, don't. Stay the fuhk home or drive and pay for the damn gas yourself. Doesn't change a fuhking thing for us we are up shits creek because of the wonderful idea of deregulation.
The government allowing airlines to operate for more than ten years under bankruptcy (See America West, US Airways, Continental, Northwest to name a few) and due to the fact that they do not have to contribute to their pension funds to the tune of 600 million a year because they all abrogated theirs to the PBGC and your taxes are paying their pensions, but now worry they only get 30% of what is actually owed to those men and women that gave 25 years of service to the industry that gets you to the casino in an hour and a half so you can throw away far more than fifteen fuhkin bucks.
I am really sorry about the mean old airlines trying to make a fuhkin profit I will say something to Arpey when I see him. In the meantime I have to go to my second job. Unbelievable how fuhkin insensitive and ignorant the public is.
And damn right this subject pisses me off
While I realize everyone has the right to not like something and voice their opinion as I just did mine, what you DON'T have a RIGHT to is to go from ST. Louis to Vegas for $45. If yo ufind that fare then great if you dont then tough shit
First of all the government bail out of the airline industry did not include AA. They have managed to stay out of bankruptcy and therefore have received no funds out of your pocket, sewn shut or not.
The bailouts went to United, Delta, Northwest, Alaska. USAirways, and continue to go to Continental(posted second highest profit in industry for three straight years yet still operates under bankruptcy). God bless the patriot that you are. While I realize that unionism is a lost subject with you, surely you must be concerned with the wholesale giveaway of our jobs? The only time anyone bitches is when they notice that their money is missing and then all of a sudden its that guys fault. The fact that the pathetic nature in which this country has protected its borders from noone and has allowed all the good paying jobs to be outsourced is lost on most. Sooner or later when you are a country that is dependent upon the poor and illegal worker your economy will suffer. Apparently that is lost on you. You are more worried about your taxes going up. Let me ask you how much did they go up? Was it significant? Did you have to sell your house? Relocate and find an additional source of income? No, it doesn't directly affect you so it is all okey dokey as long as you get your pretzels and can have something to point your finger at and say it is their fault. Airlines didn't run themselves into the ground, the public did. I find it absolutely hysterical that someone will take a flight with multiple layovers or what not to save fifteen dollars and then blame mismanagement and everything else under the sun other than the fact that this is what YOU wanted. Everyone wants to go somewhere and get the best possible price and until there is another smoking hole in the everglades caused by shoddy maintenance performed overseas where there are no regulatory conditions that need to be met such as FAA safety of flight regulations, it will continue to spiral into a losing industry.
Just how much is enough before someone, anyone stands up and says enough is enough? Your customer service for most of your cellular companies and such are done in fuhking Egypt and abroad and I guarantee that the every time you call for service you hang the phone up pissed because you get little or no resolution. Wake up. The jobless rate is increasing at an exponential rate, unemployment is out of hand and the very services that we as citizens require have been so diluted in search of the almighty dollar that noone gives a shit anymore. Southwest is no busines model unless you live in South America, their fares are cheap because the operate sweat shops for their maintenance. Jobs that could feasibly provide a living for our very own citizens are non existent with that airline yet people still give them their money. Where do think ATA does their maintenance? Fuhkin Pakistan, happy flying boys. Like I said noone gives a shit until it happens to them of course. Call me when you get replaced by someone in Singapore for pennies on the dollar and then give me the sermon. Now go ahead and say something idiotic like find another job or get another career after I have put 25 years into this one only to see the money I EARNED through my hard work be abrogated to the PBGC. It my be nothing to you but there are still people in this country that believe in the value of an education and hard work in order to retire comfortably.
What you don't get is that it wasn't the airlines that jacked up your fare from $110 to $125, it was you yourself and many others that did that. Damn sure wasn't my idea to build a $300,000,000 facility in Indianapolis for maintenance for United in Indianapolis and then lay everyone off because they found someone to do it cheaper in Brazil. Now the facilty is used by a company called AAR that have NO licensed and educated mechanics doing work for $8 fuhkin dollars an hour. But you know what jump on one of those puppies and save yourself a couple of bucks going to San Francisco, I am sure you will be more than willing to sue if something happens maintenance wise and you will get your fifteen bucks back and then some and hopefully we can push all the airlines into bankruptcy and you can take a fuhkin crop duster there next time. Unfuhkinreal. Reagan breaks the Air Traffic Controllers union and nobody says shit cuz it saved them eighteen cents, but when those highly qualified individuals start taking your job and you stand in line for an unemployment check, then you can preach to me about your pitiful fuhkin tax raise. You haven't got a fuhkin clue as to what is going on in the industry nor do you care because it doesn't affect you...................................yet. But it will my friend, it already has, check your gas bill. But thats ok though, the world needs ditch diggers too don't they. You are truly clueless to anything outside of your own narcicisstic mind. I really used to think you were somewhat sensible, alas I was wrong. Maybe we can find someone in the Phillipines to come in here and piss everyone off at a quarter of the price and you will go away. After all, you support that notion.
I didn't hear a peep out of you when we bailed out the savings and loans for the third time, my guess is you have a savings account, so it mattered then. Hypocrite.
I suggest you do your mother fuhkin homework before you open that cake hole next time.
BTW, if I in any way misconstrued what you were saying then I apologize for that. Of course we both know that isn't the case is it? Or can you even be level headed enough to be honest with yourself? I highly doubt it. Hell you can always get a job standing outside the Michelin tire store if need be, just wear a tight white t-shirt and voila.
To all the others I appreciate the kind words and hope we all keep an eye on our American industry jobs. Lord knows the government isn't.
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Wow. I was on your side before, but now I really am!
FYI - next time I get in an argument online, I'll be paying you to respond for me.
WHEW!
FYI - next time I get in an argument online, I'll be paying you to respond for me.
WHEW!
Thanks bro, I have a been working for the AFL-CIO for some time and although I realize not everyone has to like unions, they should at least respect them as well as the American workers. Unions brought us the 40 hour work week, sick days, paid vacation, and many other amenities that we as citizens still enjoy today. I honestly believe that all U.S. workers have a constitutional right to the pursuit of happiness not unemployment. While not all are perfect, some of us still believe in them.
Just flew Northwest last nite and I'll tell you no problems!
On time the whole bit no problems.
Flying back on Mon. hope it goes as well.
On time the whole bit no problems.
Flying back on Mon. hope it goes as well.
You can preach to someone else, you fuking cry baby. You talk about how I will only care when it affects me? Kinda sounds like the horn you're blowin' bro! As for me being anti-union? I've been an AFSCME member for 22 years, so you can shut the fuk up about that, too.
I know you're the hardest working mutherfuker in this place, FDC. I know that hard times don't reach anyone elses doorstep, either. But the airline industry didn't "just get fuked up" yesterday. You know this, too. I'm not saying I don't feel for you as a worker, you dope, but Jesus Christ........You think people should pay $500a ticket if they can pay $250 because you need to eat?
Again, don't preach down to me, as you always do, about the economics. I really do get it. I just don't want to write a ten page article about it! I think if a person knows generic soda at .20 a can tastes a little less pleasing than a Pepsi at .50, they probably understand the theory can cross over to other areas, too.
What are we to do? Is the Nation to not vacation in an effort to force jobs back to this country? Would that happen? What's the answer, FDC? Seriously?
You said, "Airlines didn't run themselves into the ground, the public did."
Now, you like to take your petty pot-shots at me left and right, so here's your open invitation. WTF kind of business does that? What business let's the customer do that?
Airlines started the "fare wars". Was the public not supposed to take the cheap fares? Come on, man. You guys killed yourselves. Then, when the money started drying up, cheap labor was the next band-aid, I guess.
Now, you want to talk about planes dropping outta the sky because Ish is turning the screw in Dakkar? Maybe......we'll see, I guess.
I'm sure the guys in Detroit who lost jobs by the thousands know your pain. You remember those guys, Fat Daddy? Members of the UAW? A union that had 1.5 million members in 1980, and has about 500,000 now? (That's a million fat guys standing in front of the Michelin store)
I wonder how much of your paycheck was going to their "defense fund" during the struggle?
But, back to our cute story. Your plight.
Why is it, FDC that EVERY single business I can think of raises their prices when their costs go up, and the airlines lower them? That's a great business model. Yeah, gas is $4 a gallon, and WE PAY IT! If a seat on the plane went from $199to $399, do you think the plane would be empty?????
Jesus Christ! Are the guys in charge over there that fuking stupid? Yet, you want to clamor that "we" are to blame for these woes? Because "we" want to pay the lowest price for a flight? If the heads of a dozen airlines can't agree to fly at one set price, how the hell are several million travelers going to help you out?
This country has been in a shit storm for decades, now. Sounds like it's raining down in your neighborhood. That's not good, and I'm not happy for you. The thing is, I'm putting shutters on my own windows, man. It ain't getting sunny out.......it's only a question of when it will hit the place you live.
I know you're the hardest working mutherfuker in this place, FDC. I know that hard times don't reach anyone elses doorstep, either. But the airline industry didn't "just get fuked up" yesterday. You know this, too. I'm not saying I don't feel for you as a worker, you dope, but Jesus Christ........You think people should pay $500a ticket if they can pay $250 because you need to eat?
Again, don't preach down to me, as you always do, about the economics. I really do get it. I just don't want to write a ten page article about it! I think if a person knows generic soda at .20 a can tastes a little less pleasing than a Pepsi at .50, they probably understand the theory can cross over to other areas, too.
What are we to do? Is the Nation to not vacation in an effort to force jobs back to this country? Would that happen? What's the answer, FDC? Seriously?
You said, "Airlines didn't run themselves into the ground, the public did."
Now, you like to take your petty pot-shots at me left and right, so here's your open invitation. WTF kind of business does that? What business let's the customer do that?
Airlines started the "fare wars". Was the public not supposed to take the cheap fares? Come on, man. You guys killed yourselves. Then, when the money started drying up, cheap labor was the next band-aid, I guess.
Now, you want to talk about planes dropping outta the sky because Ish is turning the screw in Dakkar? Maybe......we'll see, I guess.
I'm sure the guys in Detroit who lost jobs by the thousands know your pain. You remember those guys, Fat Daddy? Members of the UAW? A union that had 1.5 million members in 1980, and has about 500,000 now? (That's a million fat guys standing in front of the Michelin store)
I wonder how much of your paycheck was going to their "defense fund" during the struggle?
But, back to our cute story. Your plight.
Why is it, FDC that EVERY single business I can think of raises their prices when their costs go up, and the airlines lower them? That's a great business model. Yeah, gas is $4 a gallon, and WE PAY IT! If a seat on the plane went from $199to $399, do you think the plane would be empty?????
Jesus Christ! Are the guys in charge over there that fuking stupid? Yet, you want to clamor that "we" are to blame for these woes? Because "we" want to pay the lowest price for a flight? If the heads of a dozen airlines can't agree to fly at one set price, how the hell are several million travelers going to help you out?
This country has been in a shit storm for decades, now. Sounds like it's raining down in your neighborhood. That's not good, and I'm not happy for you. The thing is, I'm putting shutters on my own windows, man. It ain't getting sunny out.......it's only a question of when it will hit the place you live.
You turd! :mj07:
FDC knows he's a "goat getter".
I swear to god, his soap box is reinforced with titanium rebars.
Now that YYZ has gotten into this, well, this could be already, and if not already, will turn out to be our best thread ever!
Man, these guys can paint a picture with words!
Ish in Dakkar! :mj07:
Man, these guys can paint a picture with words!
Ish in Dakkar! :mj07:
remind me why Southwest is the devil for providing cheaper rates?
fdc, be thankful you have a retirement. I have nothing in my job in healthcare except for a poorly matched 401K. Sorry for your woes, but it isn't just your industry.
fdc, be thankful you have a retirement. I have nothing in my job in healthcare except for a poorly matched 401K. Sorry for your woes, but it isn't just your industry.
From my perspective, I view Southwest to be the airline equivalent to WalMart.
They have driven prices down by taking away service and all the things people have desired in airlines (such as assigned seats, etc). While just like Walmart, the lower prices have helped the consumer - at least those who don't care about anything but price, it has caused all the other competitors in the industry a lot of problems.
This is why so many people have a love/hate relationship with Walmart - so many people love Walmart, but many, many people hate Walmart.
It seems the same relationship exists with Southwest - some people love them, some hate them.
I would think "all" the other airlines would be smart to emphasize service and raise fares to be profitable. Yes, there will always be people who are willing to sell their soul for the best price, but there are also others who would much rather have better amenities and pay for it.
I think if airlines would do this (I'm guessing here), they would retain the business traveler and get some of SW's business travelers and even get some upscale leisure travelers. But they'd all have to do it at once - and not only are they afraid to do this, it is also called price fixing.
If they don't do this, it is very likely that all we will end up with is Southwest - which is a bad thing for the consumer. It is always better to have choice as a consumer.
If the other airlines would all focus on the business traveler, who is the lifeblood of the airline industry due to the profit they make off them, and just let Southwest cater to the once a year vacationeers, everyone would be happy.
And, if we are lucky, Southwest would struggle so that they'd either have to raise fares or go out of business.
As you can see, I am not a fan of Southwest - I view them as WalMart - as many people do.
But I do understand that many people love them.
mags, my experience flying southwest has always been better than American. I've not flown a lot, probably about 20 times in my life, and I haven't flown a lot of airlines.
The southwest employees seem like they are having fun with their jobs. The last flight I took, the steward actually sang a song he made up which was hilarious, and the pilot was making funny noises in the microphone. The AA staff for the most part seem uptight and mean. Just my experience.
The snacks and drinks given out during the flight are similar. I love not having assigned seats, but I'm able to get to the airport on time and get my boarding pass online to assure I have a good seat. What other 'service' has Southwest taken away? Thanks for the response.
The southwest employees seem like they are having fun with their jobs. The last flight I took, the steward actually sang a song he made up which was hilarious, and the pilot was making funny noises in the microphone. The AA staff for the most part seem uptight and mean. Just my experience.
The snacks and drinks given out during the flight are similar. I love not having assigned seats, but I'm able to get to the airport on time and get my boarding pass online to assure I have a good seat. What other 'service' has Southwest taken away? Thanks for the response.
SixFive:
As I said, some people love SW. I've never flown them - so I can't personally say anything about their flight experience - I just go by what other business travelers tell me.
I do know that with the airline I currently fly - Midwest - I know that everytime I book a ticket I will have an exit row seat (Primarily because I'm in the "executive" club or whatever they call it). Guaranteed. I also know that they are serving hot gourmet meals on every flight - for either $5 or $10 (depending on the item). I also know the seats are all leather, and far apart enough that I can work on my laptop while flying.
I don't know if those same things are available on Southwest - but I know that if I couldn't be guaranteed an exit row seat on Southwest when I book my ticket, I won't fly them. And I don't think they do that.
Having an assigned seat that I will be comfortable in is #1 to me - being 6 foot 5 and 220 pounds. I also need the room to fire up my laptop and work, so the hours flying aren't wasted.
I don't enjoy flying anymore like I used to, when I only flew 1-2 times a year for vacation - now it is just part of the job. So comfort and convenience is important. Which I think it is for most business travelers.
SW is very popular for the vacation travelers, but from what my colleagues have told me, it sucks when you are a business traveler. But that is not a comprehensive study - some people like it.
I'm mostly concerned with the EFFECT SW has had on the industry - just like WalMart had on retail. And most people fight like hell to make sure WalMart can't get into their community, as they know it destroys everything around it. (at least here in WI communities are fighting them) That's kinda what Southwest has done.
Dude,
Good post. That light that flew by you so quickly was the point though. Fare wars started after deregulation, period. The government deregulated not the UAW or any other union member. I have no ability to raise the prices which is EXACTLY what I would do. My point was that there are several ways to provide relief to the industry that doesn't have to effect the paying customer. Reduce the taxes for instance. Don't allow airlines to operate at a reduced operating cost because they have filed bankruptcy and don't have to pay back investors. If AWA can't afford to pay its bills close the mother fuhker and give the routes to an airline that is. If an airline cannot afford to pay for their maintenance to be done in the United States so that maintenance can be regulated and the safety ensured under the scrutiny of the FAA then close the fuhkin doors and give the routes to an airline that is still employing the american worker. Of course I know about the auto workers and I feel for them and as a matter of fact I did walk the picket line with them as they are also AFL-CIO so kiss y icreasingly red ass on that. But I digress, there is no reason to lash out at you and I apologize if I offended you in any way and I am happy to know that you are a union brother. That being said, this was started when someone mentioned having to pay fifteen measley dollars for a damn bag and you think we should raise prices? What kind of sht storm would that start? Southwest can have all the singing flt attendants they want, they are covered by the very union I work for and as a matter of fact we are in negotiations as we speak(See Transport Workers Union). Their payroll is much smaller as they outsource whatever possible and those are good paying jobs that could provide this country with a better economy and a number of other things. My entire point is that the government has run this industry straight into the ground with Union busting, taxes, landing fees, and the airlines aredoing whatever they can to not pass that hardship onto the customer. What don't you get?
As far as my pension goes, I will not receive a pension as I am quite sure that AA will announce a lay off soon and will also try to move towards bankruptcy in order to abrogate their pensions to the PBGC. And no I don't have a matching 401(K) six five so consider yourself much luckier than I.
The ONLY reason they are providing cheaper rates is because they have few employees and a much smaller operating cost. When Ish in Dakkar forgets that its righty tighty lefty loosey and your headed straight for the side of a hill, I highly doubt that you will like the song the flt. attendant is singing then.
Besides, Herb Kelleher has stepped aside and is now only a consultant. SW will be changing dramatically in a few short years as their fuel prices are only hedged until 2010. Once they have to start paying heftier fuel bills its bye bye cheap fare hello cheap labor and that how swimming holes are made. You know, once the crash site is cleaned up.
YYZ,
I forgot two things. One I am not a cry baby and two, yes the leadership is that stupid.
Hope that helps,
FDC
I forgot two things. One I am not a cry baby and two, yes the leadership is that stupid.
Hope that helps,
FDC
After re-reading my earlier posts I think it is inherent on me to say one thing. My ENTIRE point is directed at the outsourcing of good paying american jobs that this country and government should never allow to happen. It is too late for that now which is why we are seeing what we are seeing in the industry. Southwest is the worst of them at this practice. As a matter of fact, funny story, immigration just removed nearly forty percent of their building cleaners from their facility at Love field due to them being illegals. Yea, great company, where do I sign up.
