Al, if Lieberman supported the Occupation of Iraq, as he did, then he has helped weaken our national defense. Sure, the Right Wing Wacko's would have you think that Bush and Cheney are tough on defense but what have they done? The response to Katrina showed you how they have weakened our defense. They have wasted billions of dollars occupying a country that was not a threat to us. I don't see how they are tough on terror. The Taliban is moving back into Afghanastan because they never finished the job there. Our rails are defenseless and our ports...well they wanted to give to the Arabs!!!!!
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all extremely valid points Steve, funny how their is still the perception of toughness from G. w the (dodger) and Cheney (Mr. deferment).
"all extremely valid points Steve, funny how their is still the perception of toughness from G. w the (dodger) "
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Whats funny is some can't distinguish protesting against war in Europe (while not inhaling) and flying jets in national guard--there is a diff.However if you really want to put the Edward spin on things I guess enlisting is one way of avoiding draft.
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---and speaking of Edward if his lemmings could understand english and what get out of dodge 2 days prior to hurricane as gov told them or hadn't elected "and then re-elected a Haskel clone who wasn't smart enough to figure out buses have wheels and are used to carry people "before" there under water there would not have been a disaster--unfortunately in some peoples world they can't wipe their ass unless "the gov buys the paper and has someone tell them how"
Now enough rants--a serious question for Smurph per --
"Bush/Cheney caused the divide. They killed the moderates"
Explain the diff between a moderate and far right conservative and how it applys to Bush and Cheney Bush as being far right.
----and Edward Haskell slips in for comment--
"Who is the American Nazi party running against Lamont?"
--once again leaving no doubt about his inept opinion.
Read below remarks from your liberal blog sites and then your remarks about Nazi's--then go sit in corner with dunce cap on for 20 minutes and think about it
"But far worse are the anti-Semitic rants. This was posted on the far left Daily Kos Web site: "As everybody knows, Jews ONLY care about the welfare of other Jews. We might better ignore all that Jewish propaganda about participating in the civil rights movement."
And this was allowed on the Huffington blog: "Leiberman [sic] cannot escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover."
you want more---I didn't think so
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Whats funny is some can't distinguish protesting against war in Europe (while not inhaling) and flying jets in national guard--there is a diff.However if you really want to put the Edward spin on things I guess enlisting is one way of avoiding draft.
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---and speaking of Edward if his lemmings could understand english and what get out of dodge 2 days prior to hurricane as gov told them or hadn't elected "and then re-elected a Haskel clone who wasn't smart enough to figure out buses have wheels and are used to carry people "before" there under water there would not have been a disaster--unfortunately in some peoples world they can't wipe their ass unless "the gov buys the paper and has someone tell them how"
Now enough rants--a serious question for Smurph per --
"Bush/Cheney caused the divide. They killed the moderates"
Explain the diff between a moderate and far right conservative and how it applys to Bush and Cheney Bush as being far right.
----and Edward Haskell slips in for comment--
"Who is the American Nazi party running against Lamont?"
--once again leaving no doubt about his inept opinion.
Read below remarks from your liberal blog sites and then your remarks about Nazi's--then go sit in corner with dunce cap on for 20 minutes and think about it
"But far worse are the anti-Semitic rants. This was posted on the far left Daily Kos Web site: "As everybody knows, Jews ONLY care about the welfare of other Jews. We might better ignore all that Jewish propaganda about participating in the civil rights movement."
And this was allowed on the Huffington blog: "Leiberman [sic] cannot escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover."
you want more---I didn't think so
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P.S. this is what Lanny Davis had to say about it--of course the left will be all over him now---
Writing today in The Wall Street Journal, former counsel to President Clinton, Lanny Davis says: "I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech, dissent and, especially, tolerance for those who differed with us. Now in the closing days of the Lieberman primary campaign, I have reluctantly concluded that I was wrong."
Writing today in The Wall Street Journal, former counsel to President Clinton, Lanny Davis says: "I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech, dissent and, especially, tolerance for those who differed with us. Now in the closing days of the Lieberman primary campaign, I have reluctantly concluded that I was wrong."
The difference was revealed when anything short of their beliefs automatically became "liberal". You couldn't be for science, the environment, or diplomacy. They forced votes that made you extreme one way or the other. Remember all the crticism of McCain last year because he actually wanted to negotiate with Democrats?DOGS THAT BARK said:
So now that they smell blood, democrats are not going to be moderate when given the option. They will be anti-Bush when possible. Bush has done everything without a compromise mentality. His political capital has been spent and there will now be many examples of a push against this.
DTB - Now a question for you that you've never answered: Without mentioning Clinton (doing so as you do is irrelevant because not only has he not been in office for 6 years, but he also never put us in a ridiculous war) does it bother you that Cheney got 5 deferments from military service during Vietnam?
I'll repeat, does it bother you (as a Vietnam vet) that Chickenhawk Cheney avoided service during Vietnam?
OK, so is this your same answer to Americans stuck in Lebanon? Afterall, they knew going in how dangerous that area is? Why couldn't our national defense show just 1/10 of attention to the people stuck in New Orleans? They were still Americans, for christ's sake. Who knows their personal reasons for being stuck? Many were misled to think it wouldn't be as bad, many owned nothing except their uininsurable house and were going to do everything they could to save it.DOGS THAT BARK said:
The point is, we didn't ask why people were stuck in Lebanon, we just went and got them out. Anything wrong with having that same mentality in one of our own cities? Are you that caloused? How many bases are in a short distance from New Orleans? ....Probably a lot more than Beirut. The resources were certainly there, but the action was not. They were AMERICANS. Are only certain Americans worth saving?
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I don't care one bit about Connecticut politics really, nor am I saying I would ever vote for LIeberman should he win the Democratic presidential nomination. I really don't consider him a conservative/moderate democrat. I would have to study his platform should that time come. If the Democrats run a candidate that is conservate/moderate, I'll more than likely vote for him. If they fail once again to provide this choice, then GOP it is. All I want is a viable choice not being forced to vote against the worst candidate.
All I know about Lieberman is his stance on the war and the fact he's Jewish. It's truly sad for a respected politician amongst his peers to lose to someone who's whole campaign is against the war. This guy is full of cliche's and has no other ideas for the candidacy.
I'm starting to think it is time to bring home the soldiers. We tried, but i'm starting to think it's a lost cause.
I'm starting to think it is time to bring home the soldiers. We tried, but i'm starting to think it's a lost cause.
Smurph -I certainly have no prob labeling anyone that got 5 deferments to avoid draft as a draft dodger --would seem logical to me.
The reason I asked about diff between the right and far right as I was trying to think of diff myself and couldn't come up with any--your stem cell thing was one I think would be legitimate.
There was a time I classified the McVeigh element as far right radicals--but basically they are against both rebs and dems and all form of gov.
The reason I asked about diff between the right and far right as I was trying to think of diff myself and couldn't come up with any--your stem cell thing was one I think would be legitimate.
There was a time I classified the McVeigh element as far right radicals--but basically they are against both rebs and dems and all form of gov.
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DTB - I consider my self on the right side of the fence and Catholic, but I'm strongly in favor of stem cell research and the benefits it would bring.
We are falling behind to some countries who have already found what stem cell technology can do to people with no chance to live otherwise...
I'm in Medical Sales and have talked with surgeons about this topic and an overwhelming majority support it.
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what exactly are these findings and how many people have been treated with this after billions of dollars spent?
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Even Time Magazine had reasons why Stem Cell Research is not the place federal funding should go.
As far as this thread goes, I agree mostly with smurphy. I think this election will hurt Democrats in the short term, but shaking up lifers in DC can only be good for the country in the long run.
As far as this thread goes, I agree mostly with smurphy. I think this election will hurt Democrats in the short term, but shaking up lifers in DC can only be good for the country in the long run.
Lieberman's Jewish? Wow, I didn't know that. I just thought he was an anti-trial lawyer, tort-reforming democrat. Anyway, glad he lost. Don't think the new guy will be any better. Found out the Republican opponent apparently has some gambling problem where he was giving fake names or something of the sort. Compared to the rest of congress sounds like an upstanding guy.
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Oh do we ever need W D C shook up. We could use about 300 new congressman and 50 different senators. Then In 08 new house cleaner.
save your breath,dtb.....if you want to punish yourself,go out and buy a few dixie chicks/green day c.d.`s...
te lamont/lieberman race was supposed to show just how the country was opposed to the war in iraq and lieberman's support of that war and bush's policies....lol
lamont could barely scrape together a majority within the democrats in a blue-leaning northeastern liberal/independent state (52-48) where most folks think that lieberman did everything but shoot himself in the foot to run a bad campaign.....
the nut-bars on the hard left(and I`m not calling them progressives anymore, because there's nothing progressive about their intentions whatsoever) - undermine u.s. national security practically every time they open their yappers......
and you schmendrick`s better watch your backs...
..chimpy mchtlerburton needs to save gas, so rather than putting all your asses in ovens he'll be using microwaves on the popcorn setting.....
be verrry afraid....
uhhhhahhhahhaa.......uhhhahhahhaa......(evil laughter)
te lamont/lieberman race was supposed to show just how the country was opposed to the war in iraq and lieberman's support of that war and bush's policies....lol
lamont could barely scrape together a majority within the democrats in a blue-leaning northeastern liberal/independent state (52-48) where most folks think that lieberman did everything but shoot himself in the foot to run a bad campaign.....
the nut-bars on the hard left(and I`m not calling them progressives anymore, because there's nothing progressive about their intentions whatsoever) - undermine u.s. national security practically every time they open their yappers......
and you schmendrick`s better watch your backs...
..chimpy mchtlerburton needs to save gas, so rather than putting all your asses in ovens he'll be using microwaves on the popcorn setting.....
be verrry afraid....
uhhhhahhhahhaa.......uhhhahhahhaa......(evil laughter)
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gw..you continue to crack me up.
i never understood why they were called progressives in the first place.
Freeze, how could there be any treatments, when the FDA hasn't even approved surgery yet? Remember the stem cell was only discovered in what 2000?
Dogs, that was incredible you admitted Cheney s cowardice. Now you know as well as I Bush also avoided service, maybe it can't be proven, but you know he got privilege treatment and avoided service, I know you know that, your to intelligent a guy.
2) you must agree the Taliban is regaining strength in Afghanistan, its factual.
3) you remember Bush threatening to veto Senate vote refusing giving our port security to Arabs, I know you remember that.z
Please tell me how allowing obl to escape, allowing Taliban to flourish in Afghanistan, and genuinely wanting to give our port security to Arabs is being tough on terror?
Dogs, that was incredible you admitted Cheney s cowardice. Now you know as well as I Bush also avoided service, maybe it can't be proven, but you know he got privilege treatment and avoided service, I know you know that, your to intelligent a guy.
2) you must agree the Taliban is regaining strength in Afghanistan, its factual.
3) you remember Bush threatening to veto Senate vote refusing giving our port security to Arabs, I know you remember that.z
Please tell me how allowing obl to escape, allowing Taliban to flourish in Afghanistan, and genuinely wanting to give our port security to Arabs is being tough on terror?
shamrock said:
discovered in 2000????
are you kidding?
we have worked with these for ages
we are decades perhaps centuries away from any treatment because we do not know enough molecular biology yet
we are putting the cart way before the horse and anything beyond this is frankensteinian
