Looks like OU vs. Oregon is on for Sept. 18th....

[MadJack]

since this forum is off season, i'll let you guys fight it out but if it spreads into the 'in season' forums, i swear i'll ban a basher, newbie or senior member, i don't care.

i can't have all this fighting going on when people are trying to win money.

thanks,

jack@madjacksports.com

 

[Mr Hockey]

since this forum is off season, i'll let you guys fight it out but if it spreads into the 'in season' forums, i swear i'll ban a basher, newbie or senior member, i don't care.

i can't have all this fighting going on when people are trying to win money.

thanks,

jack@madjacksports.com

I don't think it will. We keep it all over here. Actually to my surprise, Scott defended me on a point he agreed on.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

I've called Scott out on numerous occassions as he changes his story faster then a hooker changes clients.

The line is funny but untrue. I would like to see documented proof where you called me out and how i changed my story. I cannot recall that ever happening. Maybe it did, but I do not think so.

Avalanche

I read your post and the problem I have with you is you state your opinion but fail to back it up. That is my issue with you. I disagree with a lot of things you said in your post.

I said I never had problem with OU and their OOC schedule. I did say it be nice for them to play an OOC game away? Isn't OU a national power? They do not have to play away games, but that will not EARN MY RESPECT AND I WILL NOT BE DUPED INTO THINKING THEY ARE NEXT GREATEST TEAM LIKE EVERYONE DID LAST YEAR!

Your numbers are mixed and matched to support your arguments.

Of course my numbres are going to support my argument. I left out LSU beating UGA in SEC NC game because I was talking about the regular season. Cal would have a better regular season record if they played in the SEC and LSU's schedule vs playing in the Pac 10. That is why I left it out. How many losses would CAL have if they played LSU REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE? MORE THAN 6??? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

You say Michigan was considered by "many" to be one of the "hottest" teams in the country. Well who on earth considered Michigan one of the "hottest" teams in the country? You?

For starters, MADJACKS, before the game many posters here felt Michigan was one of the hottest teams in the country. That does not mean Michigan SHOULD be ranked #1 or #2, but you could be the hottest team in the country and ranked #12. How about the MEDIA!!! The media clearly felt Michigan was one of the hottest teams in the country. Don't believe me? Go look up past articles before JAN. 1st and go look at past posts at madjacks.

A home game vs Michigan, to you, seems tougher than playing OU or LSU in the Sugar Bowl huh?

I think Michigan was a better team than OU and a better coached team. (yes MICHIGAN was more disciplined than OU) Look how sloppy the Sugar Bowl was played vs how sharp both teams were in the Rose Bowl. No comparison.

The PAC 10 vs the SEC conference schedule is no comparison whatsoever. The SEC is way more dominant than the PAC 10 PERIOD.

Really? Thanks for telling me your opinion (as if it is fact) but could you tell me why the SEC is "way more dominant than the Pac 10, PERIOD." CAN YOU TELL ME WHY? :shrug:

As for providing the major media outlets, you provided computer polls which is the BCS poll. I wanted to know a "MAJOR" media outlet saying LSU was better than USC.

You are inconsistent. Do we need to bring up the thread where you talked about how worthless the AP championship was a few months ago??? Now you act like it is more important than the BCS.

THIS ONE REALLY PUZZLED ME. Where did I EVER put down the AP trophy? YES, PLEASE, PLEASE bring up the thread where I talked about how worthless the AP championship trophy was. If you can show me that thread, I will be shocked. I DO NOT THINK I EVER SAID THE AP WAS WORTHLESS. Why are you making false accusations? Don't just make the accusation, show me where I said it. I never said that, and if I did, i owe you an apology. How am I inconsistent? I do think so, and again, show me how I am, and not just say it. You have a very difficult time supporting your opinion or statements. You never do.

You do your fair share of bashing yourself, Scott. You bash the Big 12 and the SEC and pick and choose your arguments. You can't hold a candle to the SEC conference schedule so you just talk about the OOC schedule. Same with the Big 12.

I could not disagree with you more. I always said, I do think the SEC is a superior conference. That is not bashing. I also said the Pac 10 is on par with the SEC. I have said based on certain numbers, the PAC 10 is ahead of the SEC. I NEVER SAID THE SEC OR BIG 12 ARE CRAP CONFERENCES. I said the SEC was strong last year and said the Big 12 was weak. I think I was justified in saying those 2 statements. Funny you never can justify for saying how superior the SEC or Big 12 are against the Pac 10. YOU HAVE YET TO BRING UP AN ARGUMENT SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM! I wonder why?

You claim to not be "impressed" with OU and either you are the only correct person or the rest of the universe was pretty impressed with how dominant they were for most of the season.

Again, i voiced my opinion, backed it up with great analysis and you try and tear it down without providing any support behind your opinion. Why were you impressed with OU last season? Who did they beat that you were impressed with? I guess you also hold TCU on the same level as OU because they had a lot of W's too. I do not just look at wins and losses. I look at who you beat and where you play (home/away). NOT JUST W's. Again, tell me why you were impressed with OU. I never said OU was bad last season, i said I do not think they had such a great season. Not impressed with any of their victories except for maybe Texas.

You refuse to give LSU any credit or Oklahoma any credit.

I don't give OU any credit. Why? I am not impressed with their victories last year and they lost to the 2 best opponents they faces. By 28pts and 7pts. If OU beat LSU, then they would have earned my respect. LSU clearly are the BCS NC and I am happy for the program. They earned it. I have a problem with the people saying how great LSU or OU is because the BIG 12 and/or SEC is so Superior and how weak the Pac 10 is. Those people are clearly ignorant and lack intelligence.

BE HAPPY THAT ENOUGH PEOPLE FELT USC'S HARDSHIP THEY GAVE YOU HALF OF THE NATIONAL TITLE!!!

:lol:

USC earned their half of the NC and majority of the media/public felt USC was the best team last year. LSU won the BCS NC, where coaches were FORCED to vote for LSU (even though prior to the LSU/OU game the coaches clearly had USC #1) and LSU won the computers. So depends what you prefer. People champion (USC) or computer/BCS champion (LSU). :shrug: Both teams won a National Championship and both teams won it fairly. I do not really think either team got shafted. You can make great argument how USC was UNLUCKY but neither team got cheated so that was good.

 

[mansa_musa]

Few points:

--CSU & Utah have (or had) 2 of the best head coaches in all of college football. No embarassment for Cal to lose to either of those programs, considering where they were a few yrs ago.

--A DD home loss w a sr QB is not a respectable performance, in my opinion. A DD loss in a championship game, where the offense led by the Heisman QB couldnt score in the 2H is not a respectable performance. A 3OT road loss by a fg is a respectable loss. That was my point! My focus was on the WAY SC lost, not the strength of opponent.

--The BCS is not something "we all have to live with!" I choose to disagree w the system because of its flaws. I believe my opinions on schedule/team strength are more accurate than the BCS computer rankings. I may be wrong, but, I wager money based on my opinions -- like most everyone else in this forum.

 

[Stuman]

Just checking in...and I see some things will never change. Jack, I don't see anything changing when FB season gets here. Scott has proven his inferiority complex time and time again by continuing to start threads in here that do nothing more than "attempt" to show PAC 10 legitimacy. Personally, I don't see the need for these posts. For some reason, Scott thinks they are necessary.:shrug:

I am not getting sucked into any more of Scott's bullsh-t threads. I am putting Scott on "ignore". Hopefully, this will keep me from getting banned during FB season. At least I won't have to wade through the BS.

Wareagle - How 'bout them Grizzlies? 50 wins tonight.

Stuman

 

[Stuman]

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[wareagle]

GO GRIZZ!!!!

 

[scott]

Scott4usc
"Cal would have a better regular season record if they played in the SEC and LSU's schedule vs playing in the Pac 10."

So, are you saying that Cal would have beat Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc. They would have gone 8-0 in conference play. Lsu had one loss, so Cal would of had to go undefeated if they were to have a better regular season record. That includes going undefeated in the SEC. Think before you post something because i dont even think that you know what you are saying. Also earlier you said that you did not think that Cal could have beat Georgia, then you turned around and contridicted yourself.

 

[Scott4USC]

scott

LEARN TO READ AND COMPREHEND before you make yourself look like a fool. :nono:

So, are you saying that Cal would have beat Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc. They would have gone 8-0 in conference play. Lsu had one loss, so Cal would of had to go undefeated if they were to have a better regular season record. That includes going undefeated in the SEC. Think before you post something because i dont even think that you know what you are saying.

WRONG!!!!!!!

YOU NEED TO THINK BEFORE YOU POST, and maybe start reading everyones post 2-3 times as well. Then maybe you can understand what the poster is writing.

CAL had 6 losses last year, 6 losses, and my argument was if CAL played LSU's schedule, they would have had fewer losses if they played LSU's schedule instead of their own. I broke it down and supported my opinion. I think there is no way CAL loses more than 6 games playing LSU's schedule, and I think CAL would lose 2-3 games. How come you could not understand it? I broke it down very nicely. :shrug:

My opinion is, CAL goes undefeated with LSU OOC play, then CAL prob. would lose to UGA (just like LSU should have on that day), and CAL would have had good games against FL (although when LSU lost to FL they were NOT a good team), Ole Miss, and Arkansas. Does not necessarily mean CAL beats all of them, nor does it mean CAL loses to all of them.

However, 4 out of the 5 toughest games for LSU were played @HOME, so that will not be too difficult for CAL. How nice was that for LSU to have 4/5 toughest conference games played at home and 3/4 OOC games also at home against piss poor OOC competition. LSU is damn lucky BCS does not distinguish between home and away games. :lol:

I NEVER SAID CAL WOULD HAVE A BETTER RECORD THAN LSU, but CAL WOULD HAVE A BETTER RECORD PLAYING AN SEC TYPE SCHEDULE VS A PAC 10 TYPE SCHEDULE. I LAID IT ALL OUT!!!

2 things to remember about CAL, they beat USC (only 2 other teams in 2 years can say that), and CAL lost 2 conference games on the road last season by 3 and 4pts.

ONCE AGAIN, CAL WOULD HAVE HAD AN EASIER TIME PLAYING LSU's SCHEDULE (SEC) vs PLAYING THEIR OWN SCHEDULE (PAC 10).

*I do not take anything away from the SEC for beating the system. SEC does not break any rules and props to them for beating the system. However, that does not earn MY respect and I will not proclaim that conferense to be superior to the Pac 10. I am not gullible like some of you are. :nono:

 

[mansa_musa]

I thought Jack scared everybody out of here!

 

[scott]

Scott4usc,

So if CAL played mighty LSU schedule (#1 team in the SEC), CAL "at most" would have had 4 losses, but realistically prob. 2-3 losses last year. With some luck, CAL prob. could run the table with that schedule. Remember, CAL was able to beat USC, so they easily could have beat UGA or anybody in the SEC.

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Thats where you said that cal could have run the table.

 

[Scott4USC]

I predicted CAL would lose 2-3 games if they played LSU's schedule. I think UGA would be CAL's toughest opponent, and all the other teams on LSU's schedule CAL is better or pretty much equal. Therefore, if CAL had some luck (turnovers go there way in certain games/situations) I think CAL "could" have run the table with LSU's schedule. Remember, the point of the post was to show how CAL would have had better record if they played in the SEC and LSU's schedule. Meaning CAL would have fewer than 6 losses.

So, are you saying that Cal would have beat Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc. They would have gone 8-0 in conference play. Lsu had one loss, so Cal would of had to go undefeated if they were to have a better regular season record. That includes going undefeated in the SEC. Think before you post something because i dont even think that you know what you are saying.

Your post makes NO SENSE! I do not understand what you are talking about. What is the meaning of your post?:shrug: