Could be debated, average or weak. UCLA should not have even been in a bowl, OSU played weak New Mex. team, Wazzou St. and Cal I can give you as far as good wins, but Va Tech mailed it in a long time ago. Oregon played a decent bowl game, just no defense outside of Wazzou St. and your boys. I will say that I did win some money on your boys and LSU this year. THink it would be a helluva game.
LSU vs. USC. . . who would win?
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I think the game would be fatastic, but too bad we will never know. And another thought, is Scott the kind of guy you'd like to meet in a back alley some night??? Man what a Homer!!! LMAO!
Yeah but i put my money where my mouth is and collected. SO how am I a homer. I am not, i am speaking the truth. May be a homer, but a wealthy homer. 
Skipper
Skipper
Not trying to get involved in you & Scott's lovefest......
But, the Big 12 was easily the weaker of the conferences compared to the Pac 10. You mentioned that there was no defense in the Pac 10, but six Big 12 teams (half the conference!) allowed over 30 ppg against other teams from BCS conferences. Three of those teams gave up more than 40 ppg!!! Texas (24.8) & OK St (29.8) barely missed making that list. And if you subtract games played against Baylor & Iowa St from the stats then those #'s get much worse. How can you have one QB pass for over 5000 yds & another pass for 40 td's & still claim pride for the defense played in the Big 12.
Ok St, Mizzou, Texas & Tx Tech had 1 or less quality wins on the season & basically used the Bill Snyder scheduling philosophy to get into the bowl season. And, except for Tx Tech, they all took the same ass-whippings in the bowls that usually await K St at the end of every season.
The true separation between the Pac 10 & Big 12 comes in the form of coaching & recruiting. Few schools in the Big 12 have access to the Texas area to recruit the top talent. That's why Texas, OU & K St will always stay on top of that conf. All the teams in the Pac 10 recruit from talent-rich California high schools.
Check Colorado's roster for it's CA recruits & you will see why they usually compete well in the Big 12. Coaching is a complete mismatch between the conferences & getting worse w/ Stoops' little brother taking over at Arizona.
And, in regards to your post about the greatest team of all time being OU, what you said was "nothing can match these guys from what I have seen." You made those comments before you saw them play a tough opponent on the road, or before you saw their offense perform when they really needed to score in the 2H of a game. The Sooners failed miserably on both fronts 2 games in a row.
I personally believe the SEC & Pac 10 are the best conferences in the country. I give the edge to the Pac 10 because they have beaten up the SEC teams in recent head to head matchups.
Skipper
Not trying to get involved in you & Scott's lovefest......
But, the Big 12 was easily the weaker of the conferences compared to the Pac 10. You mentioned that there was no defense in the Pac 10, but six Big 12 teams (half the conference!) allowed over 30 ppg against other teams from BCS conferences. Three of those teams gave up more than 40 ppg!!! Texas (24.8) & OK St (29.8) barely missed making that list. And if you subtract games played against Baylor & Iowa St from the stats then those #'s get much worse. How can you have one QB pass for over 5000 yds & another pass for 40 td's & still claim pride for the defense played in the Big 12.
Ok St, Mizzou, Texas & Tx Tech had 1 or less quality wins on the season & basically used the Bill Snyder scheduling philosophy to get into the bowl season. And, except for Tx Tech, they all took the same ass-whippings in the bowls that usually await K St at the end of every season.
The true separation between the Pac 10 & Big 12 comes in the form of coaching & recruiting. Few schools in the Big 12 have access to the Texas area to recruit the top talent. That's why Texas, OU & K St will always stay on top of that conf. All the teams in the Pac 10 recruit from talent-rich California high schools.
Check Colorado's roster for it's CA recruits & you will see why they usually compete well in the Big 12. Coaching is a complete mismatch between the conferences & getting worse w/ Stoops' little brother taking over at Arizona.
And, in regards to your post about the greatest team of all time being OU, what you said was "nothing can match these guys from what I have seen." You made those comments before you saw them play a tough opponent on the road, or before you saw their offense perform when they really needed to score in the 2H of a game. The Sooners failed miserably on both fronts 2 games in a row.
I personally believe the SEC & Pac 10 are the best conferences in the country. I give the edge to the Pac 10 because they have beaten up the SEC teams in recent head to head matchups.
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Mansu,
I don't believe I ever claimed to be a Big 12 lover or backer, just thought that they were better than what showed up. I am an SEC guy and the SEC is the superior conference to both the Big 12 and PAC 10. There is defense played in the SEC and I think that the SEC proved they were the better of the 2 conferences in the bowl games. 5-2 vs 4-2, but the SEC played better teams as I don't think you will argue that. Again, I threw the OU thing out there for debate, and at that time, they were playing great and as good as any team that I had seen in a long time. I think you will also read that I agreed that there was some time left before anyone could make that assumption. It made for some thinking and debate at the time and I wanted to get some feedback from some of the older members on the forum. Many people over-estimated the Big 12 this year and I guess we should have known when Arkansas kicked the hell out of Texas in Austin.
Don't get me wrong, USC is a very good team along with LSU, but there is undoubtedly more defense played in the SEC and you better bring your A game week to week if you want a chance to play for it all at the end of the year. Could LSU beat USC, absolutely and USC could beat LSU. ANyone who says otherwise is an idiot. It is a shame that we will never know.
GL2U, but please, never say I am a big 12 backer!!:nono:
I don't believe I ever claimed to be a Big 12 lover or backer, just thought that they were better than what showed up. I am an SEC guy and the SEC is the superior conference to both the Big 12 and PAC 10. There is defense played in the SEC and I think that the SEC proved they were the better of the 2 conferences in the bowl games. 5-2 vs 4-2, but the SEC played better teams as I don't think you will argue that. Again, I threw the OU thing out there for debate, and at that time, they were playing great and as good as any team that I had seen in a long time. I think you will also read that I agreed that there was some time left before anyone could make that assumption. It made for some thinking and debate at the time and I wanted to get some feedback from some of the older members on the forum. Many people over-estimated the Big 12 this year and I guess we should have known when Arkansas kicked the hell out of Texas in Austin.
Don't get me wrong, USC is a very good team along with LSU, but there is undoubtedly more defense played in the SEC and you better bring your A game week to week if you want a chance to play for it all at the end of the year. Could LSU beat USC, absolutely and USC could beat LSU. ANyone who says otherwise is an idiot. It is a shame that we will never know.
GL2U, but please, never say I am a big 12 backer!!:nono:
mansa_musa
GREAT POST, and I agree with you.
What many people don't realize is the Pac 10 is tough conference and the teams beat on each other. Look at how many different teams have won the conference in the last 12 years. Year in and year out, the Pac 10 has always been the toughest conference from top to bottom. This year Pac 10 was not the toughest, but they did put on a good showing in the bowl season for a supposedly down year in the pac 10. Unfortunately for the pac 10, its over. No team will challenge USC talent wise, and USC has coaching advantage over everybody in the conference. Tedford comes close.
Another thing people do not realize is the Pac 10 teams play tougher OOC games than SEC teams. It is a joke over in the SEC their OOC schedule. Lastly, in SEC teams do not play everybody and often miss out on top teams. This helps rank SEC teams in the top 25, and mislead uneducated college football fans into thinking that conference is vastly superior.
I have the data to prove the SEC conference has played weaker competition than the Pac 10, as well as the Pac 10 has done better against tougher competition. Also Pac 10 has beaten the SEC head to head a lot more.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!
GREAT POST, and I agree with you.
What many people don't realize is the Pac 10 is tough conference and the teams beat on each other. Look at how many different teams have won the conference in the last 12 years. Year in and year out, the Pac 10 has always been the toughest conference from top to bottom. This year Pac 10 was not the toughest, but they did put on a good showing in the bowl season for a supposedly down year in the pac 10. Unfortunately for the pac 10, its over. No team will challenge USC talent wise, and USC has coaching advantage over everybody in the conference. Tedford comes close.
Another thing people do not realize is the Pac 10 teams play tougher OOC games than SEC teams. It is a joke over in the SEC their OOC schedule. Lastly, in SEC teams do not play everybody and often miss out on top teams. This helps rank SEC teams in the top 25, and mislead uneducated college football fans into thinking that conference is vastly superior.
I have the data to prove the SEC conference has played weaker competition than the Pac 10, as well as the Pac 10 has done better against tougher competition. Also Pac 10 has beaten the SEC head to head a lot more.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!
Skipper
Skipper
After I posted, I saw that you are from S Carolina & assumed you were an SEC fan. I didnt mean to insinuate that you were a Big 12 backer, just wanted to express my belief that the Big 12 is below avg top to bottom.
But the superior SEC is still only 1-6 v the Pac 10 since 2000. The only win was earlier this yr by LSU over Arizona. I kind of think that SC would have had little trouble beating Vandy or Miss St.
As far as the SEC being 5-2 in this years bowls, 3 of those games were against the below avg Big 12 that I mentioned earlier. So the SEC was only 2-2 in the truly competitive bowl games. I also subtracted the Pac 10's games against non BCS schools (and the Big 12) and they come out to 2-1.
I would love to see the SEC & Pac 10 set up an old Rose Bowl type affiliation to have the 2 conference champs play every year. I thought the best two teams at the end of last year were USC & Georgia. And now this year that is the game everybody wants to see!
GL2U as well -- & it's great to argue w/o the name calling & insults! I guess I should teach my wife how to type
Skipper
After I posted, I saw that you are from S Carolina & assumed you were an SEC fan. I didnt mean to insinuate that you were a Big 12 backer, just wanted to express my belief that the Big 12 is below avg top to bottom.
But the superior SEC is still only 1-6 v the Pac 10 since 2000. The only win was earlier this yr by LSU over Arizona. I kind of think that SC would have had little trouble beating Vandy or Miss St.
As far as the SEC being 5-2 in this years bowls, 3 of those games were against the below avg Big 12 that I mentioned earlier. So the SEC was only 2-2 in the truly competitive bowl games. I also subtracted the Pac 10's games against non BCS schools (and the Big 12) and they come out to 2-1.
I would love to see the SEC & Pac 10 set up an old Rose Bowl type affiliation to have the 2 conference champs play every year. I thought the best two teams at the end of last year were USC & Georgia. And now this year that is the game everybody wants to see!
GL2U as well -- & it's great to argue w/o the name calling & insults! I guess I should teach my wife how to type
Mansu,
It is not hard to debate with you and other resonable people on here as you don't make yourself look like an a$$ if you brin g up good points. Week in week out the SEC is a much stronger conference than the PAC-10 because of defense. That is my main reasoning. To me there is little defense played in the PAC-10 and now the BIg 12. I think you will find that PAC-10 teams get up for SEC teams more because it is so much more of a grind in the SEC. Now remember how I word that, "grind". Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I would just be very surprised if you took a poll, that the SEC would not be ahead of the PAC-10.
It is not hard to debate with you and other resonable people on here as you don't make yourself look like an a$$ if you brin g up good points. Week in week out the SEC is a much stronger conference than the PAC-10 because of defense. That is my main reasoning. To me there is little defense played in the PAC-10 and now the BIg 12. I think you will find that PAC-10 teams get up for SEC teams more because it is so much more of a grind in the SEC. Now remember how I word that, "grind". Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I would just be very surprised if you took a poll, that the SEC would not be ahead of the PAC-10.
Skipper
Skipper
Thanks for the friendly response!
Have to disagree w/ your comments though. Week in & week out the Pac 10 is stronger because of offense. The offense played in the Pac 10 is light years ahead of the SEC. When you say that they play defense in the SEC, the first thing I have to question is the offense played there. With Spurrier gone from Florida, there is really no SEC team that year in & year out plays well on offense. The BCS champion LSU Tigers didnt score on O in the 2H v Oklahoma & failed to score in a home loss v Florida. You can say that was because of UF's defense, but I say the LSU offense was weak. I do have to admit that I thought that last years Georgia team was the 2nd best offense in the country.
Only 2 teams held USC under 30 pts (Auburn 0-23 & Michigan 14-28) & those are two of the Trojans most impressive victories of the season. The SC defense didnt shut out any Pac 10 team all season, but they were able to shut out Auburn on their HOME field. I think the Trojans played at least 5 teams this year who could rival the speed & strength of the LSU defense. But I dont think LSU faced any offense in the SEC (or out of conf.) that would have prepared them for SC.
And to your point of the SEC "grind" taking its toll before they face the Pac 10. I believe all the games between the conferences since 2000 have happened in early Sept before the "grind" of SEC play started. But you are definitely entitled to keep that opinion. And if you need to take an opinion poll to prove the SEC's strength, then my point should be made. But to somewhat paraphrase you, "I would just be very surprised if they played a game, that the PAC 10 would not be ahead of the SEC."
Skipper
Thanks for the friendly response!
Have to disagree w/ your comments though. Week in & week out the Pac 10 is stronger because of offense. The offense played in the Pac 10 is light years ahead of the SEC. When you say that they play defense in the SEC, the first thing I have to question is the offense played there. With Spurrier gone from Florida, there is really no SEC team that year in & year out plays well on offense. The BCS champion LSU Tigers didnt score on O in the 2H v Oklahoma & failed to score in a home loss v Florida. You can say that was because of UF's defense, but I say the LSU offense was weak. I do have to admit that I thought that last years Georgia team was the 2nd best offense in the country.
Only 2 teams held USC under 30 pts (Auburn 0-23 & Michigan 14-28) & those are two of the Trojans most impressive victories of the season. The SC defense didnt shut out any Pac 10 team all season, but they were able to shut out Auburn on their HOME field. I think the Trojans played at least 5 teams this year who could rival the speed & strength of the LSU defense. But I dont think LSU faced any offense in the SEC (or out of conf.) that would have prepared them for SC.
And to your point of the SEC "grind" taking its toll before they face the Pac 10. I believe all the games between the conferences since 2000 have happened in early Sept before the "grind" of SEC play started. But you are definitely entitled to keep that opinion. And if you need to take an opinion poll to prove the SEC's strength, then my point should be made. But to somewhat paraphrase you, "I would just be very surprised if they played a game, that the PAC 10 would not be ahead of the SEC."
