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ImFeklhr...you make some very good points.

I think what I mean is don't "act" gay. Before I said "be a man", and after reading your post, I think what I should have said was to "be yourself".

If you have a high voice, ok. If you are effiminate, ok.

It just seems like the gay people who are "flaming" are just acting that way to get attention. They think its cool to "act gay" rather than just be a regular person who is gay. They change themselves to get attention and be different.
 

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wow. It is frightening that there are people as closed minded as you. Hopefully people like you will fade away from existance, because you bring nothing worth while to this planet.

Somebody has to balance out the angels, Shawn. Otherwise how would we tell them apart.

ps - it's 'worthwhile,' slugger.
 

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My boss is straight but he is a hippie who has told me that he didn't really fit in when he was growing up.

I've known him for about 15 years now....since I was a freshman in college.

He's a really good guy and theres nothing wrong with being a hippie. But I honestly don't think that is who he was. He just did it b/c they would accept him.

Over the years, everything he does, every decision he makes seems to be just to be different. Just to look likes he's weird. Just to go against the norm and against society.

He has conformed to the non-conformists. Its so irritating to see a 34-year old man that makes over $40,000 a year not wash or brush his hair in the morning. To do things, not b/c of beliefs, but b/c thats what everyone else is doing.
To listen to the Grateful Dead over and over and over, but can't listen to Phish too often b/c they "sold out".

Anyway, a long-winded ramble there, but I don't mind him acting like a hippie....if thats who he really was.

Its funny that we get along great and have much more in common than anyone could imagine.
 

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IF BRENT MUSBERGER MADE THESE OUTRAGOUS STATEMENTS HE WOULD BE FIRED ON THE SPOT AND THE RAINBOW COALITION WOULD BE PROTESTING IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE 24 HOURS A DAY.JESSE JACKSON AND EVERY LESBIAN AND GAY GUY WOULD BE ON T.V. UNTIL BRENT MOVED TO CANADA EVEN THEN THEY WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW HIM.

True, but actually those guys are weeded long before they get to BM's position. Tim's just a dumb African-American who doesn't realize you can't speak your mind in America any more than you could in the USSR.

The NBA did dump Hardaway from some promotion. I think Hardaway apologized for something. Don't know if it amount to retraction. Never back down, Tim.

In private, who knows or cares what people do. But the facts about homo behavior are so :scared that these d-e-v-i-a-n-t-s deserve no public respect whatsoever. If they're in public they should be shamed and shunned.
 
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All you homo liberal left wing lovers, fags should stay in the closet where they belong. :s8:

Put two homos in a closet and when they create a child then they can come out of the closet.:mj07:

Last time i checked bro it was all right wingers coming out of the closet. Mark Foley R-Florida, The Hazzard fellow who preaches against gays until they caught him with one. Shawn Hannity. List goes on and on. Lets get the facts right.
 

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Well to all the gay-haters, your future will be full of increased frustration. As time passes, your % drops. There's no turning back on progress. I hope you all get to be alive to see gay marriage become legal almost everywhere. Or even better, I hope you all have gay kids and gay grandkids.
 

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Here is the simplest solution to the entire thing, and to all the PC crap that we now have to put up with.

This "should" be adhered to by all mankind, not just Americans.

I said MANKIND, u know humanity. That includes all groups, races, religions and anything else anyone wants to be affiliated with or not.

And yes that includes u BTJ(u self-proclaimed racists) with much love.

Two things that should be acknowledged, IMO, something that everyone should think about before they react to anything.

I know that it is a little childish , but it is very solid.

And that is, as we have all heard, "Sticks and Stones" so when someone says something about anyone , it is just words.

The problem becomes when someone acts on behalf of their hatred ie. Hitler. ETC.

And my all time favorite, stated by one of our TRUE fathers of the Constitution and founding fathers, that many do not know of or give as much credit to. And that person is Thomas Hobbs.

He stated it perfectly, "Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose."

"That being said"subscript1 , any "gay" person can kiss, hug, make out just short of exposing themselves(which is unlawful) then it does not affect my lifestyle, my way of doing what it is that i do. To each his own. As should it be to everyone, if we truly want to live in a peaceful world.

And please don't bible thump, or give me an ethic lesson , or suppress your morals on me. As u stated a"gay" person. All that i see is a citizen of humanity. and that is all.




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But it becomes a problem for people who, in general, are mean spirited, unhappy, insecure... or any other sort of personality problem.

I'm sure you mean well, but if you knew the first thing about homo mentality and their culture - suffice it to say their mental disease is a multiple of normals'. They're off the chart on skizzo, drugs, smoking, butt-sex, VDs. Why do think their promoters chose the term 'gay'? Because it's everything they are not.
 

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Here is the simplest solution to the entire thing, and to all the PC crap that we now have to put up with.

This "should" be adhered to by all mankind, not just Americans.

I said MANKIND, u know humanity. That includes all groups, races, religions and anything else anyone wants to be affiliated with or not.

And yes that includes u BTJ(u self-proclaimed racists) with much love.

Two things that should be acknowledged, IMO, something that everyone should think about before they react to anything.


And that is, as we have all heard, "Sticks and Stones" so when someone says something about anyone , it is just words.

The problem becomes when someone acts on behalf of their hatred ie. Hitler. ETC.

And my all time favorite, stated by one of our TRUE fathers of the Constitution and founding fathers, that many do not know of or give as much credit to. And that person is Thomas Hobbs.

He stated it perfectly, "Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose."

"That being said"subscript1 , any "gay" person can kiss, hug, make out just short of exposing themselves(which is unlawful) then it does not affect my lifestyle, my way of doing what it is that i do. To each his own. As should it be to everyone, if we truly want to live in a peaceful world.

And please don't bible thump, or give me an ethic lesson , or suppress your morals on me. As u stated a"gay" person. All that i see is a citizen of humanity. and that is all.




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Hobbes is far from a founding father. Hobbes ideals border on a facist idealogy. Hobbes was actually a 17th century precusor to totaliarianism.

Hobbes favored unlimited power for the state, and he favored it for the purpose of ending all conflict and contention. He saw all non-state society as simply bad happenings that should be suppressed.

Hobbes Social Contract can be summed up as such:

If you shut up and do as you are told, you have the right not to be killed.

John Locke' theories are much more closely in line with the founding fahthers than Thomas Hobbes ever was.

I dont believe eithers philosophies are really displayed in modern America. I will agree that the state is clearly playing a role closer to what Hobbes prefers, as a "Master" but do not believe these were the ideals the fore-fathers wanted to establish. That path has been trampled on, but that is another debate all together.
 
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Well to all the gay-haters, your future will be full of increased frustration. As time passes, your % drops. There's no turning back on progress. I hope you all get to be alive to see gay marriage become legal almost everywhere. Or even better, I hope you all have gay kids and gay grandkids.

Wow. Ease up on the hate, there, smurf. I wouldnt wish fag kids on my worst enemy.
 

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By MELISSA MURPHY
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The NBA banished Tim Hardaway from All-Star weekend in Las Vegas because of his anti-gay remarks.

Hardaway, who played in five All-Star games during the 1990s, was already in Las Vegas to make a series of public appearances this week on behalf of the league. But after saying, "I hate gay people" during a radio interview, commissioner David Stern stepped in.

"We removed him from representing us because we didn't think his comments were consistent with having anything to do with us," Stern told reporters Thursday at the opening of a fan festival at a Las Vegas casino, part of the NBA's All-Star weekend.

Stern said he had not spoken with Hardaway, who left Las Vegas on Thursday, but he planned to do so.

While Stern said a discussion about openly gay players could be part of future rookie orientation programs, he doesn't see a need to address the league.

"This is an issue overall that has fascinated America. It's not an NBA issue," Stern said, pointing to the ongoing debate over gay marriage at the state and federal levels.

"This is a country that needs to talk about this issue," he said. "And, not surprisingly, they use sports as a catalyst to begin the dialogue."

Hardaway apologized for his comments, which came a week after John Amaechi became the first former NBA player to say he was gay.

"As an African-American, I know all too well the negative thoughts and feelings hatred and bigotry cause," Hardaway said Thursday in a statement issued by his agent. "I regret and apologize for the statements that I made that have certainly caused the same kinds of feelings and reactions.

"I especially apologize to my fans, friends and family in Miami and Chicago. I am committed to examining my feelings and will recognize, appreciate and respect the differences among people in our society," he said. "I regret any embarrassment I have caused the league on the eve of one of their greatest annual events."

The NBA brings in many former players to take part in various All-Star events. Hardaway had already represented the league in Las Vegas earlier this week at a Habitat for Humanity event and a fitness promotion. The former U.S. Olympian was also scheduled to be an assistant coach at a wheelchair game Thursday night and later appear at the fan-oriented Jam Session until Stern told him he was no longer welcome.

"His views are not consistent with ours," Stern said.

Amaechi, who spent five seasons with four teams, came out last week in advance of the release of his autobiography, "Man in the Middle." He is the sixth professional male athlete from one of the four major U.S. sports - basketball, baseball, football, hockey - to openly discuss his homosexuality.

Though Stern said last week a player's sexuality wasn't important, Hardaway disagreed Wednesday on a Miami radio show.

"First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team," the former Miami Heat star said. "And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that is right. I don't think he should be in the locker room while we are in the locker room."

When show host Dan Le Batard told Hardaway those comments were "flatly homophobic" and "bigotry," the player continued.

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people," he said. "I'm homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Hardaway also said if he did find out that a teammate was gay, he would ask for the player to be removed from the team.

Hardaway apologized later Wednesday night in a telephone interview with WSVN-TV in Miami, but the furor over his remarks continued Thursday.

"I don't need Tim's comments to realize there's a problem," Amaechi told The Associated Press in a phone interview Thursday. "People said that I should just shut up and go away - now they have to rethink that."

Two major gay and lesbian groups denounced Hardaway's remarks.

"Hardaway's comments are vile, repulsive, and indicative of the climate of ignorance, hostility and prejudice that continues to pervade sports culture," said Neil Giuliano, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. "And by apologizing not for his bigotry, but rather for giving voice to it, he's reminding us that this ugly display is only the tip of a very large iceberg."

Said Matt Foreman, president of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force: "Hardaway is a hero to thousands of young people. And that's what makes his comments so troubling. Sadly, his words simply put the pervasive homophobia in the NBA on the table."

Amaechi, who detailed his life in "Man in the Middle," hoped his coming out would be a catalyst for intelligent discourse.

"His words pollute the atmosphere," Amaechi said. "It creates an atmosphere that allows young gays and lesbians to be harassed in school, creates an atmosphere where in 33 states you can lose your job, and where anti-gay and lesbian issues are used for political gain. It's an atmosphere that hurts all of us, not just gay people."

Amaechi taped a spot Thursday for PBS' gay and lesbian program "In the Life." He said the anti-gay sentiment remains despite Hardaway's apology.

"It's vitriolic, and may be exactly what he feels," he said. "Whether he's honest or not doesn't inoculate us from his words. It's not progress to hear hateful words."
 

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3 Seconds thx for the clarity, u right it was locke and not hobbs, i get them confused at times.

Damn ol' men.

but i hope my point was made, thats all.
 

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How about if one of the guys asked if he could put his hand in your pocket?

You are one weird dude. Would you like to come out of the closet. Sounds like it. If I find it insulting two men kissing on a public bench next to me why would I want one of them to stick a hand in my pocket. I believe you are sick. I find two men kissing repulsive let alone sticking their pricks up each others asses. I am 48 years old from central oklahoma. That is how I was brought up. It disgusts me but if they would like to keep it behind closed doors and not flaunt it that is there business.
 

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Wow. Ease up on the hate, there, smurf. I wouldnt wish fag kids on my worst enemy.
Are you actually seriously posting all your crap around here, or are you just on a mission to cause conflict? ....Please say you are from Texas.:SIB
 

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Ha, fkuc Texas. Fkuc Bush. Fkuc liberals and homos, too! And little blue peeps.
 

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It never fails - the people most "disgusted" by gays, go out of their way to mention specific gay acts.
 

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Progression in society takes time... 50-60 years ago, if Madjacks were around, Underbar and Hedgehog would be in here ranting about how "it's just not right that ni*ggers get to use the same drinking fountain as a white man" and would probably be roundin' up a lynch mob if they ever saw a white girl with a black guy.

Of course, they probably STILL think like that.
 
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