Man the Packers sure have screwed up the Favre thing..............

[maverick2112]

I cant remember an organization screwing things up to this extent............they tell the guy they want to move on yet dont have the balls to release the guy or trade him..........

Sure he retired to early but doesnt the guy deserve a little slack for what he has done for the organization the last 15 years...........

Why force the guy to make a decision in March.......they had Rogers in the wings even if Farve retired and Qb's chosen in the draft are probably not going to play this year anyhow.........


If they think Rogers is their answer at QB they are really stupid.....

Thats whats so funny about all of this........whether Favre comes back or not Rodgers will probably not be with the team in the future anyhow because the guy cant play.......

If the dumbasses just told Favre he was welcome back and he would have to compete for the starting position he would have said fine and after he beats out Rodgers ( a given)...........the Pack become the fav in the NFC along with Dallas......

 

[Sun Tzu]

All of the above is correct. Moreover, they wanted Favre gone simply because this is Rogers' contract year....yet they were so confident in him (or in keeping him) they used 2 picks on Qbs including the second round, tried to sign Culpepper, tried to make a trade w Tampa....as muh as folks want to say Favre is selfish this whole deal is a mess because of Ted Thompson's ego...

The fact they wont realease him is pretty telling ...thye obviously know he is still good and fear him. As for the trade, I just dont see how it could happen with the salary cap implications.

 

[IntenseOperator]

as muh as folks want to say Favre is selfish this whole deal is a mess because of Ted Thompson's ego....

Who's ego is at play here?

He's been jerking this organization around for four years. What goes around comes around. I'm enjoying the shit out of this whole fiasco. Hope he ends up as the backup and literally cries after every game to you, his adoring fans. They are not just gonna release him. They don't want him going to an NFC team let alone one in the division. If he's still soooo damn good, then an AFC team will have no problem trading a second round pick for this tear jerker right? He made his own bed.

:violin:

 

[AR182]

Why Favre is mad at Packers

Why Favre is mad at Packers

i agree with you io....favre has been jerking the organization around since he announced his retirement....he is a typical prima dona who also thinks he should be the gm in addition to being the qb....

this is from the milwaukee journal sentinel

Posted: Tuesday July 15, 2008 05:45AM ET

Brett Favre wanted to clear the air Monday in his increasingly bitter standoff with the Green Bay Packers. He ended up kicking up a cloud of dust. Whether Favre provided some clarity in an interview with Fox News Network's Greta Van Susteren remains a matter of debate. What is clear is that Favre, in a carefully orchestrated chat with Van Susteren, a Wisconsin native and Packers shareholder, detailed anger and frustration with both the franchise and specifically general manager Ted Thompson over his future and his past. In the transcript, Favre expressed frustration with three incidents in the recent Packers past involving Thompson. In one instance, Favre told Van Susteren that "I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss," adding that he was willing to give up salary to land the talented receiver. But Favre said Thompson denied publicly that Favre had lobbied to get Moss, which Favre said was not the case. Moss signed with the New England Patriots. In a second instance, Favre said he once tried to convince Thompson to re-sign Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, two key linemen, but the two got away and signed elsewhere. In a third case, Favre told Van Susteren he tried to convince Thompson to interview Steve Mariucci, an old friend, for the head coaching job vacated by Mike Sherman. Favre said Thompson ended up hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Couple things to add.....

Heard Packer sportcaster Wayne Larrivee on ESPN here a bit ago. He said the organization offered to have him back 3 weeks after his last retirement and he rejected it. The GB Packers are currently one of the youngest teams in the NFL. This GM has the future to think about.

 

[AR182]

Couple things to add.....

Heard Packer sportcaster Wayne Larrivee on ESPN here a bit ago. He said the organization offered to have him back 3 weeks after his last retirement and he rejected it. The GB Packers are currently one of the youngest teams in the NFL. This GM has the future to think about.

this gm is doing an excellent job...before last season who would have thought that the pack would compete for the title...

let the players play & the executives run the organization.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Umm you dont think a big reason they competed was the guy playing qb? How good would they have been if they had signed Moss like Favre wanted? You know what Thompson has done with Favre's salary savings -nothing. And what is being reported is what Thompson is saying, which Favre is disputing. None of us know where the truth lies. I am sure it's in the middle somewhere.

Frankly it seems transparent they never wanted him back because this is Rogers' contract year. Thats the main reason they dont want Favre now...it wasnt any different 4 mionths ago.

Yes Favre's ego and torqueing has been a big issue. But that isnt the pont -which guy can best help you win, and that isnt Rogers. Isnt winning the point of the game?

The future? Thats why they drafted Brohm. He isnt going anywhere no matter what Favre does. They already know Roger sucks - he has had 2 decent quarters ever-including preseason-and been injured in 2 of the 7 games he actually played. And that he is proably leaving after this year either way. Thats what makes the whole thing dumber.

Besides, you had a team one play from the Super Bowl... and in this day and age of free agency as well when you have a team that can win now you dont say "geez who will be our QB in 4 years." You dont have to play Rogers now to "plan for the future." That's just silly. So if Favre hadnt retired in March the Pack would have just disregarded the "future." Obviously that is NOT the basis of what is going on.

Yes I am a Favre fan. But really his fans and his detractors are missing the bigger point - they are better with him playing than Rogers and that's what matters. Can anyone really dispute that?

As for a trade it again shows how blind people are. How can they trade him - he has 3 yrs/$39 million on his contract, plus deferred money and a salary cap proration for his bonus. What team can take that on and needs a QB? They can only trade him if Favre restructures his contract - which essentially means he controls where he can be traded.

Besides if Green Bay doesnt think Favre is good enough (which is obviously bunk) but they have to argue is true since they dont want him, they have a heck of a time asking for any value on a deal dont they? if he isnt good enough why are they so afraid of him going elsewhere?

 

[maverick2112]

this gm is doing an excellent job...before last season who would have thought that the pack would compete for the title...

let the players play & the executives run the organization.

We may see what an excellent job he is doing with a QB like Rodgers............can you say 6-10????


By the way if the guy wants to take until August 1st to decide to retire or not......whats the big deal.....just plan on him retiring and then if he decides to come back let him start.......nothing lost either way except maybe hurting Rodgers feelings but so what this isnt little league its the NFL..........

"favre has been jerking the organization around since he announced his retirement"

If this stupid organization would not have backed him into a corner and forced him to decice in March then non of this would be going on...........

 

[maverick2112]

I think Thompson has wanted to get rid of Farve for years now..........he's the problem here.........

Whats free agents has he really signed.........Charles Woodson?? He wasnt even wanted by many teams.......

 

[Sun Tzu]

Mav you are right about Thompson. He wanted Favre to retire back in 2005. But it really got ugly last offseason when Favre was very open with ctricism over the Moss deal and Thompson not spending the tons of cap money the Pack had available.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Frankly it seems transparent they never wanted him back because this is Rogers' contract year. Thats the main reason they dont want Favre now...it wasnt any different 4 mionths ago.

Four months ago, one year ago, two years ago, three years ago, etc, etc

When is a good time for this organization to conduct it's business? Young team possibly on a bit of a rebuild maybe doesn't want the old man. Whether it's the right decision or not, it's their decision to make. Maybe Brett wants to play so bad, like he says, and is willing to restructure. Instead of crying on tv that he's been mistreated. They done right by him for years now. Enough is enough. Frankly, the dude is starting to come across as a psycho. Maybe the GB organization would be happy to move him and don't think it's in their best interests to explain Sybil to his adoring fans and lose some of his worth.

6-10 this year means absolutely nothing in 5 years if they see a run of success again. 8-8 or 9-7 with cry baby, means possibly losing a year or two and not growing long term, but better record. BFD. That's how perrenial losers like those on the North Side think.

fwiw, there's no way they play him back up as much as I would enjoy watching the hype sit and grow his beard.

 

[Sun Tzu]

IO you are too blinded by your dislike of Favre to view this objectively football wise.

And now you have decided this team will be 4 or 5games worse this year with that great GM and everybody back because they same guy that took you to the title game last year is back at QB? But they will make a run again in 5 years if they change now?. Young team on the rebuild? Werent they in the NFC title game last year? They arent rebuilding.

Ya..that argument makes sense.

Umm....and nobody plans 5 years down the road in todays NFL. Thats the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this.

If they dont want Favre thats fine. But they shouldnt continue this bogus argument that it is a fottball reason. And if they dont want him release him and save a ton of money and cap space. thats the right football move, but perhaps not the right move if you are obsessed with being anti- Favre, which you and Thompson seem to be.

 

[IntenseOperator]

We can continue this thread when some time passes. My supposed hatred of Brett hasn't rendered me incapable of remembering his 05' and 06' seasons. Something others seem to be unable to do.

Impressive that you two are able to read a GM mind on this issue. A GM which has not said hardly a word publicly on Farve, EVER. :mj07: There's some sense for you.

I do hope Brett squirms for at least a few months.

 

[bleedingpurple]

I obviously love what is going on here with the whole Favre saga, but the Packers would be crazy not to let him play. I hope they find a way to get rid of Favre so I can see Rogers. Like the Vikes chances a whole lot better with him in their.

As for Thompson, yes he has done a lot through the draft for this team over the years but he was able to draft 5th one year and get a whole lot in return for Walker.

This year, he has made a HUGE mistake. The Pack were in the NFC title game and what did they do this off season. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the team this year. No key free agent signings and they trade down in the draft to take WR Jordy Nelson. :mj07: What a joke. The Packers secondary could be in for a long year if Mckenzie and or Woodson take a step back.

I think teams will be a lot more prepared for the Pack this year and force the deep ball. Crowd the line and take away the dink and dunk. If you get beat deep then you get burned.

 

[Sun Tzu]

We can continue this thread when some time passes. My supposed hatred of Brett hasn't rendered me incapable of remembering his 05' and 06' seasons. Something others seem to be unable to do.

Impressive that you two are able to read a GM mind on this issue. A GM which has not said hardly a word publicly on Farve, EVER. :mj07: There's some sense for you.

I do hope Brett squirms for at least a few months.

I have a friend that plays for Green Bay as well as a front office guy, and a neighbor that is tight with Thompson (who played for the Oilers). Yes I do know what Thompson is thinking unless 3 different people have lied to me about what he has said.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Bleeding Jordy Nelson will probably be a good player. But otherwise I agree 100% - and even with Favre they are way under the cap. I guess Thompson is waiting until all of that young talent becomes FA and he cant afford to keep them all to try and win. The time is now.

And yes Rogers will be awful. He cant even be as good as Brett's worst year. Funny, IO, to you Thompson is a great GM who has brought in a ton of talent but you want to chastise Favre for how he played before all the alleged talent got there.

 

[IntenseOperator]

I have a friend that plays for Green Bay as well as a front office guy, and a neighbor that is tight with Thompson (who played for the Oilers). Yes I do know what Thompson is thinking unless 3 different people have lied to me about what he has said.

of course

So it is written, So it shall be done

 

[IntenseOperator]

Funny, IO, to you Thompson is a great GM who has brought in a ton of talent but you want to chastise Favre for how he played before all the alleged talent got there.

Now there's a quality reach

:mj07:

 

[Sun Tzu]

So they have a ton of talent and can win regardless of Favre or they have no talent and won thanks primarily to him? I dont care just pick a side - either one discredits your arguments as you well know. Ig uess you have to go with Favre was the guy since you have decided with only losing him they only win 8 or 9 games this year.

 

[bleedingpurple]

I think the Packers are very talented with or without Favre. The D line is exceptional. They got lucky with Grant. The receivers are solid. O line solid. Linebackers solid group. Secondary was solid last year